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It was a PPG. Shame, too, because there were a couple of dandy passes on that one.
Oh yeah I forgot. I'm not used to this team scoring powerplay goals
It was a PPG. Shame, too, because there were a couple of dandy passes on that one.
I haven't been following this thread religiously to know the rules, but on that Raymond goal, Bowman definitely deserves a minus. It was right in front of me. His failure to clear on an easy attempt at the beginning at that sequence allowed the entire play to happen. As soon as he failed to clear, my buddy said that's trouble and sure enough, it lead to the goal.
You sure your math is right? How is Allen at a 0.06 Plus, with 5 +s, wheras Gleason is at a 0.60 with 6 +s, surely the ice time is similar? You sure you didn't misplace a few decimals?
Edit: Did the math myself..., ES TOI from NHL.com
Gleason: (6 pts / 586 minutes) * 60 = 0.614
Allen: (5 pts / 524 minutes) * 60 = 0.572
At work so I don't have time to check the rest of them...
Since it was talked about earlier in the topic, I'm thinking I might go through this season and see which players took "bad" penalties that ended up with a PPG goal against.
The only thing I'd need would be a concrete definition of a "bad" penalty. To take the first game of the season as an example:
- 2 PPGs against.
- Penalties by Faulk (Interference), Jokinen (Unsportsmanlike) and Staal (Interference) caused them.
- One gave the Lightning a 2-1 lead, the other a 3-1 lead.
- Other penalties in the game included Allen (Interference), Allen (Roughing) and Faulk (Holding).
I think in this situation, Jokinen and Staal's penalties were the "bad" penalties to take. Jokinen's complaints to the ref turned a PK into a full 2-minute 5-on-3 against. Staal's call turned a one-goal game into a game that quickly got out of reach. Faulk's holding call might also be considered bad (since it would have given the Lightning the lead had they scored on it), but IIRC, he took the penalty to prevent a goal.
For instance, if a guys is seen to be fighting for a puck and get's a holding penalty, but the PK unit kills it off, it would be not seen as a bad penalty. He was fighting for the puck, playing hard, and penalties happen. Now, if that same scenario happens and the other team scores the game winning goal, one could argue that it was foolish to take a holding penalty at that point in the game and it lead to the game winning goal so it was a bad penalty.
Stopping a guy on a breakaway, cross checking a guy in front of the net to stop a goal, protecting your goalie, or penalties taken in the course of aggressively playing the game (not lazy ones), are ok IMO no matter what the outcome of the PK.
Just my $0.02
My problem with that is there are certain penalties that come from being aggressive, which is fine, but they're also incredibly dumb. Ponikarovsky, for instance, has taken a couple elbowing penalties throughout the course of the year. They all came from him finishing a check, but finishing it with an elbow to the head.
It was a penalty taken in the course of aggressive play, but it was an unnecessary one to take, since he could have finished the check without the elbow.
And I'm of the opinion that any penalty taken by a PKer is a dumb one to take (barring the special case of preventing a goal). If you know you're relied upon on the PK, you also know you have to be especially careful not to take a penalty. Sutter does a great job of this.
He plays for damned near league minimum salary.
He was a +1. But the official scorekeeper debated whether to give it to him on such a soft goal.Did Tlusty score a goal and not get a +?
Did Tlusty score a goal and not get a +?
Wow, you guys weren't kidding about subjective.
Yep, he had that vacant look like an infielder who let a ball go through his wickets. A super softy.That goal is on the goaltender, plain and simple. It's something that should have been stopped with no effort involved. The replays don't show it, but I was sitting a couple rows above Tlusty when he took that shot, and it was all Labarbera. He whiffed with his glove trying to scoop it up and it went 5 hole on him.