Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

[Garbageyuk]

Why is Mesar not on the playoff roster in Laval??

Because he sucks. There’s no use sugar coating it.

 

[DAChampion]

Kapanen made the Habs this year, so yes, Kulich absolutely would have. Also, the 45% figure is overall - he improved as the season went on and was averaging high 50s to end the season, like I said. He also finished the year as Buffalo’s 1C - they moved Thompson to wing in favour of Kulich because he’s already better than Thompson at faceoffs and defensively.

Ok fine that's very impressive that he supplanted Tage Thompson.

 

[Bombshell11]

Because he isn't better than the offensive guys and can't do the job of the role players.

Did we draft Mesar to be a role player in the AHL?

The answer is very simple, they want to teach him a lesson.

Teams can be nasty to players who don't dance the way they want to.

 

[DAChampion]

Did we draft Mesar to be a role player in the AHL?

The answer is very simple, they want to teach him a lesson.

Teams can be nasty to players who don't dance the way they're want to.

You're making the Habs organization sound very small minded, in a way that's not widely supported.

I'd be more receptive to it if this were the Bergevin/Therrien/Lefebvre era, where there was a pattern of small minded behavior.

 

[Treb]

Did we draft Mesar to be a role player in the AHL?

The answer is very simple, they want to teach him a lesson.

Teams can be nasty to players who don't dance the way they're want to.

I'm well aware that he wasn't drafted to be a role player in the AHL. I was explaining why he's not playing.

The guys that are there to provide offence were better at it than Mesar and he's not going to play above role players like Condotta, Simoneau, Xhekaj, Tuch and Davidson (some of which also have been better offensively). That's it.

 

[BLONG7]

Did we draft Mesar to be a role player in the AHL?

The answer is very simple, they want to teach him a lesson.

Teams can be nasty to players who don't dance the way they're want to.

It's up to the player, to adhere to coaching........or not.
He seems to lack the effort it takes...........but I still think there is time.....

 

[Shutdown]

Did we draft Mesar to be a role player in the AHL?

The answer is very simple, they want to teach him a lesson.

Teams can be nasty to players who don't dance the way they're want to.

everyone's out to get Mesar and it's not fair

 

[WeThreeKings]

everyone's out to get Mesar and it's not fair

Late 1st round swing on a top 6 player isn't looking like it might connect. More at 11. This has never happened in the history of sports.

Locals mad the team did the thing they asked them to do a thousand times before and didn't do.

 

[Toene]

Late 1st round swing on a top 6 player isn't looking like it might connect. More at 11. This has never happened in the history of sports.

Locals mad the team did the thing they asked them to do a thousand times before and didn't do.

He's the only miss in the first round yet with this new regime imo. That's actually a tremendous record. And even then, the jury is not out yet...he's still very young. There's no downside in just letting him simmer in Laval and see if something clicks eventually.

Meanwhile, they picked Slaf, Reinbacher, Demidov, Hage who all project as NHLers or already are.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He's the only miss in the first round yet with this new regime imo. That's actually a tremendous record. And even then, the jury is not out yet...he's still very young. There's no downside in just letting him simmer in Laval and see if something clicks eventually.

Meanwhile, they picked Slaf, Reinbacher, Demidov, Hage who all project as NHLers or already are.

It's just so funny to me that I've been on this board since 2006 and everyone's hammered the table saying draft upside, draft skill. Then they do that at 26 but it's not, not like that!!

Essentially just don't ever miss on any first round picks and also don't draft role players that play in the NHL. Just get the top 6 guy that makes it every time. Life doesn't work that way.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Late 1st round swing on a top 6 player isn't looking like it might connect. More at 11. This has never happened in the history of sports.

Locals mad the team did the thing they asked them to do a thousand times before and didn't do.

He wasn’t even the best offensive player available there. He was the smallest and softest though.

If they were looking for an offensive forward with that pick, Lambert/Howard/Firkus were all still on the board.

Hell, Kulich had very comparable numbers to Mesar in a similar league, but he’s a big gritty two-way C.

It is what it is, but there’s really no way to justify the pick; it was just bad, and was a head scratcher from the start.

 

[Nicko999]

He's the only miss in the first round yet with this new regime imo. That's actually a tremendous record. And even then, the jury is not out yet...he's still very young. There's no downside in just letting him simmer in Laval and see if something clicks eventually.

Meanwhile, they picked Slaf, Reinbacher, Demidov, Hage who all project as NHLers or already are.

Too early to say. Reinbacher could never become a NHL regular due to injuries while Hage could have its progression stall and peak as an AHLer. Not saying that will happen (although the injury concerns with Rein are valid) but those guys have yet to play NHL games.

Also it's very hard to judge since the new regime hasn't had a lot of 1st round picks that weren't top 5.

 

[Toene]

Too early to say. Reinbacher could never become a NHL regular due to injuries while Hage could have its progression stall and peak as an AHLer. Not saying that will happen (although the injury concerns with Rein are valid) but those guys have yet to play NHL games.

Also it's very hard to judge since the new regime hasn't had a lot of 1st round picks that weren't top 5.

I agree, but even if you add the 2nd rounders (Hutson and Beck), they've all showed something at various levels, while Mesar has struggled both in juniors and in the minors. Reinbacher played a big role in one of the top pro leagues in Europe pre-draft and just looks good most of the times. Hage is the best forward on a college team.

Mesar had pedestrian numbers in his d+2 and 3 in the OHL, and now in the AHL.You're right that they could all bust. Nobody on HF sees the future, we can only make semi-educated guests. Thus, based on the recent data and tape, Mesar is clearly lagging behind.

Otoh, he's also a freaking 21 yo kid playing on a foreign continent and able to handle his own in one of the toughest leagues in the world. I dont want to sound like Im saying he's washed. Just projects lower than the other young guns. And it's ok. We're going to be fine. And at least we got the storyline with Slaf and him on draft day.

 

[Bombshell11]

You're making the Habs organization sound very small minded, in a way that's not widely supported.

I'd be more receptive to it if this were the Bergevin/Therrien/Lefebvre era, where there was a pattern of small minded behavior.

I think this a standard process in every sport

I can name you a case of a 10 million euro prospect that was thrown under the bus in the Premier league because he took a penalty kick he wasn't supposed.
He's now with another club will probably soon be sold for 25+ millions.

I doubt its Hughe who made the call, pretty sure its Lapointe, Bergevin's hire and Director of Player Development for the Canadiens

Dis guy...dis guy knows how to develop young skilled and talented players??

Lul.

 

[Theodore450]

Similar to a guy like mysak who has played much better since getting traded.

Hopefully he figures it out, still young

 

[jackeymoon]

I agree, but even if you add the 2nd rounders (Hutson and Beck), they've all showed something at various levels, while Mesar has struggled both in juniors and in the minors. Reinbacher played a big role in one of the top pro leagues in Europe pre-draft and just looks good most of the times. Hage is the best forward on a college team.

Mesar had pedestrian numbers in his d+2 and 3 in the OHL, and now in the AHL.You're right that they could all bust. Nobody on HF sees the future, we can only make semi-educated guests. Thus, based on the recent data and tape, Mesar is clearly lagging behind.

Otoh, he's also a freaking 21 yo kid playing on a foreign continent and able to handle his own in one of the toughest leagues in the world. I dont want to sound like him saying he's washed. Just projects lower than the other young guns. And it's ok. We're going to be fine. And at least we got the storyline with Slaf and him on draft day.

My 2 cents, saw the kid play about 6 times this year and would be shocked to see him ever crack an NHL lineup. He lacks determination in a major way.

 

[Bombshell11]

He's the only miss in the first round yet with this new regime imo. That's actually a tremendous record. And even then, the jury is not out yet...he's still very young. There's no downside in just letting him simmer in Laval and see if something clicks eventually.

Meanwhile, they picked Slaf, Reinbacher, Demidov, Hage who all project as NHLers or already are.

Not really... 2 of the first rounds were thrown away for Dach and Newhook, im counting those as misses.

Slaf... 1st OA, he's underachieving for 1st OA standards
Reinbacher... could be a miss

Demidov is the only sure hit of them all.

Mesar should of been a homerun but Lapointe is our Director of player developement

 

[Shutdown]

I think this a standard process in every sport

I can name you a case of a 10 million euro prospect that was thrown under the bus in the Premier league because he took a penalty kick he wasn't supposed.
He's now with another club will probably soon be sold for 25+ millions.

I doubt its Hughe who made the call, pretty sure its Lapointe, Bergevin's hire and Director of Player Development for the Canadiens

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Dis guy...dis guy knows how to develop young skilled and talented players??

Lul.

your ability to build narratives out of absolutely nothing is pretty inspiring

 

[Maitz]

Mesar should look at Farrell development and learn from him

 

[Garbageyuk]

Mesar should look at Farrell development and learn from him

Agreed. Farrell has been working his ass off.

 

[MD thaivuN]

what hurts Mesar is that the team has already way too much undersized playmakers with Simoneau, ABB, Farrell, RHP. He's not providing anything different or better.

 

[Garbageyuk]

I think this a standard process in every sport

I can name you a case of a 10 million euro prospect that was thrown under the bus in the Premier league because he took a penalty kick he wasn't supposed.
He's now with another club will probably soon be sold for 25+ millions.

I doubt its Hughe who made the call, pretty sure its Lapointe, Bergevin's hire and Director of Player Development for the Canadiens

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Dis guy...dis guy knows how to develop young skilled and talented players??

Lul.

He clearly does. Or do Guhle, Struble, Xhekaj, Hutson, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Heineman, and Evans not count?

 

[DAChampion]

I think this a standard process in every sport

I can name you a case of a 10 million euro prospect that was thrown under the bus in the Premier league because he took a penalty kick he wasn't supposed.
He's now with another club will probably soon be sold for 25+ millions.

I doubt its Hughe who made the call, pretty sure its Lapointe, Bergevin's hire and Director of Player Development for the Canadiens

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Dis guy...dis guy knows how to develop young skilled and talented players??

Lul.

Just because Lapointe looks like a meathead doesn't mean he's an imbecile.

Also, is a sports forum really the place to make that argument?

 

[Bombshell11]

He clearly does. Or do Guhle, Struble, Xhekaj, Hutson, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Heineman, and Evans not count?

Hutson stayed in the ncaa and developped there?
Same thing for Cole

Are the rest of the players you mentioned considered to be skilled players?

 

[Garbageyuk]

Hutson stayed in the ncaa and developped there?
Same thing for Cole

Are the rest of the players you mentioned considered to be skilled players?

So Hutson didn’t get better as the season went on? Hutson wasn’t in regular contact with the Canadiens since being drafted? He had no direction or communication with the Habs until the season started this year? That’s your argument? The same applies to Caufield - he hasn’t gotten better every year? Don’t be ridiculous.