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Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

Bombshell11 said:
He's the only player who could keep up offensively with Demidov, make plays plays with him and feed him pucks on the second line.

Its like DD, came straight from the ECHL to play Center with Max in the NHL

But hey, i bet you don't believe me ?
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I'm not taking that bet.:laugh:
 
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The only thing I'll argue is when posters here say its a bad pick solely because he didn't/hasn't developed to his potential. But at the time of draft he was absolutely not a bad pick, his puckhandling skills, edgework, and speed justified being picked where he was. He led those categories out of almost the entire 1st round of draft picks that year.

And also saying that his lack of performance in Kitchener was entirely on him, which is untrue. I'm a season ticket holder and watched him. There were major issues on those teams. Thankfully, everything been mended now.
 
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morhilane said:
Quite a few posters "give up" on him the moment he was drafted.
And a few posters here think that you need to make the NHL at 19-20 years old otherwise you are bust.
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Everytime he's been engaged and plays - he does well. Start of the season, playoffs, etc.

This year it took him longer to rebound from the injury, but it makes sense - the AHL is good league.

I'm interested to see how he performs in the playoffs.
 
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Natey said:
Everytime he's been engaged and plays - he does well. Start of the season, playoffs, etc.

This year it took him longer to rebound from the injury, but it makes sense - the AHL is good league.

I'm interested to see how he performs in the playoffs.
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Slow injury rebound isn't abnormal, can be mental (fear of getting injured again), not being at 100% (lost of conditioning while in rehab, soreness, etc).

I also want to see how he does in the playoffs.
 
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Natey said:
8 points in his last 12 games from the third line.

Why we giving up on this kid already?
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Because he's too small to play in the bottom six of the NHL the way he likes to play hockey. He's willing to go to corners but he's not big enough to handle it and doesn't have the tenacity of a guy like Gallagher. He is overconfident which leads to him getting injured by putting himself in bad spots.

If he went in the second round instead of the first I think the majority, including contrarian posters, would view him the same way as Riley Kidney; who everyone has written off.

I wouldn't terminate Mesar's contract or anything but if a team comes calling and wants him as a piece in a deal for a 2C I don't even pause. His value is nothing now, so it can only go up if he plays well to end this season and comes in better next season.

At the same time I wouldn't make a single Habs roster decision with him in mind. I'd never think "oh Mesar can step in in 2027 so I shouldn't shore up the winger depth" the way I would about Beck and a 4C spot. Even then I'd keep Beck down next year if possible. We don't need to rush anyone at this point, we're already making the playoffs with a good mix of vets and youth.

Also before his 5 points in the last 4 games he was last on the entire team for full-time forwards in scoring. Doesn't exactly scream top prospect to be 11th on the team in scoring for forwards in a league that is several steps below the NHL. Most don't even think Beck will be a point producer in the NHL and he's more than doubled Mesar.

But let's wait and see how Filip does next year with a more prominent role.

In his mind he was Drouin 2.0, too good for the CHL, but Drouin ripped the CHL a new asshole and had one of the best junior seasons ever to show Tampa what he had. Mesar had some struggles at times in the OHL and is struggling in the AHL, he wasn't even close to as NHL ready as he thought he was; he was fully expecting to already be on the big team based on his comments two years ago. Confidence and delusion are separated by a thin line.

Also this fanbase has never appreciated whining. Just look at the Kostitsyns, Grabovski, Patches, Subban, Erik Cole, Lapierre, Leblanc, Ribeiro, Tinordi, Kotkaniemi, etc. Guys who either complained about their ice time, role, being send down, lockout money (lol cole), etc. all got turned on nearly immediately. Subban whined more on ice but the fanbase suddenly hated it and said PK only cared about himself as soon as he got traded. Some dummies even turned on Markov for complaining about not being offered a two year deal, the guy who carried the team on his back for a decade and wanted a low money deal with guaranteed term (most of these dummies now pretend they never defended Bergevin).

It's not Mesar's fault, but essentially saying you should make the NHL at 18 and thought you had a good camp, you'll make it the following year, then having the worst D+1 OHL season in history, probably won't build your credibility as a prospect in the eyes of fans.

Anyways, I don't hate Mesar despite dunking on him from time to time. It's better for the Habs if he pans out but the hype train was pretty heavy in 2022 saying his floor was a winger Tomas Plekanec, etc. He'll be lucky to be a Hossa at this point; Marcel hossa (who actually did make the Habs for a tryout in his D+1 and was much better in the AHL)..
 
Ezpz said:
Because he's too small to play in the bottom six of the NHL the way he likes to play hockey. He's willing to go to corners but he's not big enough to handle it and doesn't have the tenacity of a guy like Gallagher. He is overconfident which leads to him getting injured by putting himself in bad spots.

If he went in the second round instead of the first I think the majority, including contrarian posters, would view him the same way as Riley Kidney; who everyone has written off.

I wouldn't terminate Mesar's contract or anything but if a team comes calling and wants him as a piece in a deal for a 2C I don't even pause. His value is nothing now, so it can only go up if he plays well to end this season and comes in better next season.

At the same time I wouldn't make a single Habs roster decision with him in mind. I'd never think "oh Mesar can step in in 2027 so I shouldn't shore up the winger depth" the way I would about Beck and a 4C spot. Even then I'd keep Beck down next year if possible. We don't need to rush anyone at this point, we're already making the playoffs with a good mix of vets and youth.

Also before his 5 points in the last 4 games he was last on the entire team for full-time forwards in scoring. Doesn't exactly scream top prospect to be 11th on the team in scoring for forwards in a league that is several steps below the NHL. Most don't even think Beck will be a point producer in the NHL and he's more than doubled Mesar.

But let's wait and see how Filip does next year with a more prominent role.

In his mind he was Drouin 2.0, too good for the CHL, but Drouin ripped the CHL a new asshole and had one of the best junior seasons ever to show Tampa what he had. Mesar had some struggles at times in the OHL and is struggling in the AHL, he wasn't even close to as NHL ready as he thought he was; he was fully expecting to already be on the big team based on his comments two years ago. Confidence and delusion are separated by a thin line.

Also this fanbase has never appreciated whining. Just look at the Kostitsyns, Grabovski, Patches, Subban, Erik Cole, Lapierre, Leblanc, Ribeiro, Tinordi, Kotkaniemi, etc. Guys who either complained about their ice time, role, being send down, lockout money (lol cole), etc. all got turned on nearly immediately. Subban whined more on ice but the fanbase suddenly hated it and said PK only cared about himself as soon as he got traded. Some dummies even turned on Markov for complaining about not being offered a two year deal, the guy who carried the team on his back for a decade and wanted a low money deal with guaranteed term (most of these dummies now pretend they never defended Bergevin).

It's not Mesar's fault, but essentially saying you should make the NHL at 18 and thought you had a good camp, you'll make it the following year, then having the worst D+1 OHL season in history, probably won't build your credibility as a prospect in the eyes of fans.

Anyways, I don't hate Mesar despite dunking on him from time to time. It's better for the Habs if he pans out but the hype train was pretty heavy in 2022 saying his floor was a winger Tomas Plekanec, etc. He'll be lucky to be a Hossa at this point; Marcel hossa (who actually did make the Habs for a tryout in his D+1 and was much better in the AHL)..
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The worst D+1 in history is a huge stretch. Like absolutely disgustingly huge stretch.

And he wanted to go home and play against men.. which he thought he needed to develop for. And oh look, he was right. His development stalled going backwards. He was learning the professional game and we sent him back to adapt to juniors again. Should he have done better? Of course. His lack of drive was frustrating, especially in year 1. Is it a personality thing? Maybe, but sometimes we know what the best situation is for us specifically.

I don't think he ever expected to be on the big team two years ago. He thought he had a good camp (he did). And wanted to play in the AHL in Slovakia. He needs to improve his ability to play against stronger players - that wasn't going to happen in the OHL, especially on the team he was on.
 
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Natey said:
The worst D+1 in history is a huge stretch. Like absolutely disgustingly huge stretch.

And he wanted to go home and play against men.. which he thought he needed to develop for. And oh look, he was right. His development stalled going backwards. He was learning the professional game and we sent him back to adapt to juniors again. Should he have done better? Of course. His lack of drive was frustrating, especially in year 1. Is it a personality thing? Maybe, but sometimes we know what the best situation is for us specifically.

I don't think he ever expected to be on the big team two years ago. He thought he had a good camp (he did). And wanted to play in the AHL in Slovakia. He needs to improve his ability to play against stronger players - that wasn't going to happen in the OHL, especially on the team he was on.
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Going back 30-something years there's not a single first round OHL forward pick who had a worse D+1 than him except McCarron. Who was obviously not drafted for his offensive prowess. I would say contextually he did have the worst D+1 ever for a forward playing in the OHL in their D+1. Plenty of players in other leagues have busted harder but not even hitting a PPG in the OHL is extremely rare for a first round pick. He put up numbers you'd expect from a draft season player. Deangelo is a dman and put up the same numbers in his D-1. Almost every comparable for Mesar for similarly bad D+1's in the OHL was a guy drafted for intangibles/enforcing.

If anything it's a minor stretch. Likely you are overestimating how many OHL forwards go in the first round every year. The comparables are guys like Ryan Hartman, Ben Eager, Daniel Paille, Matt Zultek, Mike Rupp, etc.

None of these guys were drafted to be top six players. Hartman had some pretty insane development but those Plymouth teams were also legendarily bad and he's regressed back into being a fourth liner anyways.
 
morhilane said:
Quite a few posters "give up" on him the moment he was drafted.
And a few posters here think that you need to make the NHL at 19-20 years old otherwise you are bust.
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I think most posters are looking for improvement.
 
Ezpz said:
Going back 30-something years there's not a single first round OHL forward pick who had a worse D+1 than him except McCarron. Who was obviously not drafted for his offensive prowess. I would say contextually he did have the worst D+1 ever for a forward playing in the OHL in their D+1. Plenty of players in other leagues have busted harder but not even hitting a PPG in the OHL is extremely rare for a first round pick. He put up numbers you'd expect from a draft season player. Deangelo is a dman and put up the same numbers in his D-1. Almost every comparable for Mesar for similarly bad D+1's in the OHL was a guy drafted for intangibles/enforcing.

If anything it's a minor stretch. Likely you are overestimating how many OHL forwards go in the first round every year. The comparables are guys like Ryan Hartman, Ben Eager, Daniel Paille, Matt Zultek, Mike Rupp, etc.

None of these guys were drafted to be top six players. Hartman had some pretty insane development but those Plymouth teams were also legendarily bad and he's regressed back into being a fourth liner anyways.
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Eduard Sale
38pts in 51 games in OHL D1 season.
1st Rd pick 2023 (20 OA, was ranked in top 10 draft prospects going into his draft year)

He literally played with Mesar in Kitchener lol

Might want to revisit where you get your info from
 
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Miller Time said:
Eduard Sale
38pts in 51 games in OHL D1 season.
1st Rd pick 2023 (20 OA, was ranked in top 10 draft prospects going into his draft year)

He literally played with Mesar in Kitchener lol

Might want to revisit where you get your info from
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Sale wasn't drafted out of the OHL so he doesn't pop up. But he's also shit and having a better AHL season than Mesar despite being a 19 year old most of the year.
 
Bombshell11 said:
No, people are harsh on him because they have no clue.

Anyone else who see him play has not had an argument with me.

They seen the talent, they understand why he was picked 26, they realise hes not where he should be and they all preach for patience
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He's an AHL player at best, he will never make this team and was picked because he helped Slaf cook and do laundry.
 
Miller Time said:
Neither was Mesar.
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Yes but clearly Mesar was the start of the research point in which every drafted OHL forward from 1990-present was compared to. Someone having a similar season to him, in a worse situation mind you, doesn't mean his isn't among the worst. There's not a lot of Europeans drafted in the first round who moved to the OHL in their D+1 and most of the ones who did were more successful than Mesar. It's a niche scenario because most first round talents don't move to the OHL in their D+1; they're either already there or good enough to play in a European men's league.

But just to illustrate the point.

Stefan Ruzicka had a better D+1 after doing the same thing as Mesar, never became a full time NHLer.

Burakovsky wrecked the OHL after moving there in his D+1, became a marginal middle six winger.

There's very few examples to go on but it might add 5-6 players in total. From 2002-2019 those are the only two directly comparable players.
 
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