Prospect Info: Filip Mesar
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Whitesnake
If you rebuild, they will come.
- Jan 5, 2003
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time to try to benefit from those glimpses and hopefully a team will buy this.
- Jul 21, 2022
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And your saying hes been dog shit.
Either you dont watch the games, or are blind.
Abb has been dog shit, roy has been dog shit, farrell was uter trash for a good chunk of the season.
What are you talking about
Redux91
I do Three bullets.
Almost rid of this guy
You can smell it
This summer It's Roy or it Mesar or it's both
You can smell it
This summer It's Roy or it Mesar or it's both
Sincere question, do you know him in real life or are you related to him or something? That’s the only way to explain your extreme sensitivity to any and all criticism about him, and your strange preoccupation with such an utterly forgettable, unremarkable prospect. This guy is a worse prospect than Charles Hudon at the same age, by a considerable margin.
- Jul 21, 2022
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No no don't get it twisted, i am Mesar
Your join date is also 2 weeks after the 2022 draft, hmmm…
If he is your friend/family, don’t take any of this personally. I wouldn’t even read these boards if I was in the same situation lol, certainly wouldn’t be on here arguing about him.
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
You are really exposing yourself here.
You don't have to really have keen ability to assess hockey talent to know that Charles Hudon's skating ability was not NHL calibre.
Only a fool would have thought Hudon was a solid NHL prospect and you'd definitely have to be a fool to think Charles Hudon, at age 21, was a better prospect than Mesar, never mind "by a considerable margin."
Hudon always looked like a minor leaguer, becuase it was patently obvious his skating ability was going to preclude him from ever being an NHL regular.
Habs
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lets hope both, because neither are making a dent in the NHL. Both have Corey Locke potential
I never said their skating ability was the same; that’s a strawman argument.
I said that Mesar is performing worse at the same age, in the same league, than Charles Hudon. That is 100% fact.
Mesar also could not even outperform Hudon’s draft year, despite being a 20 year old in the OHL, nevermind how much worse he’s been as a pro.
Mesar can have fancy skating while his other limitations prevent him from being effective at the pro level. Thats exactly what we’re seeing and it happens all the time with other prospects too. Skating on its own isn’t enough.
Ever heard of Enver Lisin? That dude was one of the best skaters ever seen as a prospect. His skating was breathtaking, dazzling. He never amounted to shit. There are countless other examples.
Mesar is not performing well because he only wants to play on the perimeter, has a muffin shot, is terrified of physical contact to the point that he’d rather give the puck away than take a hit, and lacks the IQ to be able to generate scoring chances or drive play consistently at the pro level. He is also not effective defensively, and doesn’t bring anything else to the table when he isn’t scoring besides maybe an okay transition game through the neutral zone, which isn’t all that helpful due to his other limitations.
Sorry, he just is not an impressive prospect, and I’m not going to pretend he is just because my favourite team drafted him in the 1st round.
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
If you truly believe that Charles Hudon was a better prospect at the same age as Mesar is, I can't take anything you have to say regarding prospect evaluation even remotely seriously.
I said he performed better in the same league at the same age. That’s all there is to it. Are you going to argue otherwise? I’d like to hear it, tbh
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
I said he performed better in the same league at the same age. That’s all there is to it. Are you going to argue otherwise? I’d like to hear it, tbh
Actually, you said this: "This guy is a worse prospect than Charles Hudon at the same age, by a considerable margin" and it was a completely absurd, laughable take.
As for "arguing" with you about it, no disrespect, but as I mentioned, I really can't take your opinions on prospects remotely seriously if you are believe that Charles Hudon, at any point in his career, was a better prospect than Mesar, so no, I won't be continuing to discuss this prospect or really any prospect with you.
Yes, based on the fact that he’s performing considerably worse at the same age in the same league.
What possible argument is there for Mesar being a better prospect than Hudon at the same age at this point, other than your feelings? Let’s hear it.
- Jul 21, 2022
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You're so out of touch
None of the reasons you listed are why he's not producing more.
MSL acknowledged his talent, he needed to work on some stuff, they kept him in the third line throughout the year and told him to work on his defensive game. And he's been pretty good at it. No one should be expecting PPG from a guy that is playing 8-10 mins a game and specially for a rookie.
Even Beck, if he wasn't assigned to the 1st line PP he wouldn't have as many pts as he does now.
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about and you shamelessly are taking intelectual shortcuts to come to baseless conclusions.
Here’s a hint: the reason why he’s playing 8-10 minutes a game in the AHL is because he sucks.
Enjoy being a fan of the kid. People have different opinions; I don’t need to convince you of mine. Have a good day.
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i think Mesar is a better prospect than you are a scout
Boss Man Hughes
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Boss Man Hughes
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Not a very high bar.
BLONG7
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Those players you mention, have all turned it around, and have some stats to back them up.
Let's be honest, Mesar looks like a 1st round miss. I have watched a few games with Laval this year, and he has been a passenger in those games. As others have said, there are glimpses of skill, but like Roy there seems to be something not quite there...........
It could be he just needs a little more time in the AHL, but he could benefit from a trade and a new start too.
Stay tuned guys.....
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
Filip Mesar is 40 games into his North American professional hockey career.
40.
I would be absolutely astonished if the Canadiens brass were stupid enough to make a "change of scenery" trade for a player 40-games into his career.
It would be the height of stupidity and nothing about this organization leads me to believe they could possibly be that dumb.
I’ll break it down for you like this, so you can understand what I’m actually saying:
Hudon was a 5th round pick. There were never high expectations among any rational people. The popular (and correct) sentiment was always that if he made the NHL at all, that wound be fantastic for a 5th rounder. He was looking pretty good when he was Mesar’s age. He was putting up considerably better numbers than Mesar is now. And he did end up making the NHL. As such, when he was Mesar’s age, he was on an extreme upward trajectory relative to where he was drafted.
Mesar was a first round pick. With first round picks, you hope that you get a decent NHL player at the very least, and you at least expect to see some considerable and steady progression in the first few years after they were drafted. With offensive players in particular, you’d like to see them putting up great numbers at lower levels, be it junior or minor pro, in the years after they were drafted to feel like their game is going to translate. We have seen none of that from Mesar. He’s stagnating - he is producing well under 0.5 p/gp, is struggling to even get ice time in the AHL, and will not be making the NHL anytime soon. Again, this is a supposedly offensive player we are talking about. He doesn’t bring anything else to the table besides scoring. His only hope to make the league is by producing. So far, he isn’t. As such, his trajectory has been only downward since the draft. Not because he isn’t in the NHL at this moment, but because he isn’t even progressing toward it.
Therefore, at the same age, Hudon was a better prospect than Mesar is now, regardless of what happened with Hudon after, and regardless of what happens with Mesar from here. Mesar is going to have to turn it around considerably if he’s ever going to have a hope of making the NHL. We have the benefit of hindsight with Hudon. We don’t with Mesar, but it isn’t looking good.
In the absolute bare bones simplest terms:
At age 20, Hudon was looking good, and was progressing toward the NHL (which he did end up making, albeit briefly).
At age 20, Mesar looks terrible in the same league and is struggling to even get ice time. He is currently not progressing toward the NHL.
Which leads to the conclusion: Hudon was a better prospect than Mesar at the same age, and was performing considerably better.
I never said they should trade him or do anything. In fact, I don’t see the incentive to trade him because he has zero value at this point due to his less than ideal progress and lack of results since the draft.
BLONG7
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My post clearly said...............he could benefit from MORE TIME in the AHL. OR MAYBE a change of scenery could be of benefit.
I just laid out both possibilities.
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