Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

[Bobby Holik agent]

At what point do we cut our losses and just move on?

in 3 years,
maybe 4.
maybe 5.

 

[The Great Weal]

Even if Mesar turns it around and takes off, I think he's going to get traded. He's not beating out Slaf/CC/Demidov, and everything needs to fall into place for him to be that last winger in the top 6.

I doubt he's worth much right now, you just gotta hope he increases his trade value.

 

[26Mats]

At what point do we cut our losses and just move on?

Either when he's waiver eligible or there's a trade Hughes likes. I don't see the downside of developing him in the AHL.

 

[montreal]

It does seem like he hasn't quite figured the smaller ice yet. He's not playing a NA type of game at all.

Players that chose to work hard only when they feel like it often don't pan out. He's either going to get the message or he will be in the Euro leagues with Norlinder in no time.

At what point do we cut our losses and just move on?

See how the year goes and re-evaluate from there.

 

[montreal]

in 3 years,
maybe 4.
maybe 5.

That sounds like a Marc Bergevin kind of approach.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Players that chose to work hard only when they feel like it often don't pan out. He's either going to get the message or he will be in the Euro leagues with Norlinder in no time.



See how the year goes and re-evaluate from there.

He just doesn't seem to want it bad enough, I get a Martin Reway vibe off of him. He will need to be tenacious to play in the NHL as his skill set while being somewhat impressive is not elite and with him being undersized he will need to show that he is willing to outwork his opponents. Mesar absolutely floated through todays game as though he is entitled to do so as a 1st rounder and it was gross to have to watch.

I just don't see him putting it together from the evidence at hand. Who knows, perhaps he decides to train and work like a professional this year or perhaps he is content with having a girlfriend and playing hockey over seas.......I suspect the latter is closer to the truth at this point.

If he does bust at least his pick wasn't entirely wasted as we made up for it with Hutson, Beck, Engstrom and maybe even Rohrer and Davidson later in the same draft.

 

[Vachon23]

First round pick, third rookie camp and still looks like a bust.

Trade him while its not too late.

It’s too late to trade him, his value is probably very low now. Let’s see what he can do in the AHL but my expectations are not very high

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

It’s too late to trade him, his value is probably very low now. Let’s see what he can do in the AHL but my expectations are not very high

This is the other risk with drafting smaller skill players with high picks. If they struggle at all they lose almost all of their trade value. If Mesar was a big forward with a little bit of skill he could still potentially be a valued asset in a teams bottom six.

 

[Skip Bayless]

He's not skilled enough to play a finesse game, he has yet to realize this.

And I can't see him turning into a bulldog forechecker who gets the puck. He doesn't have the mentality nor the physical attributes.

If you tell him to watch Lehkonen tapes and mold his game around that, he will probably sulk. Vincent will try, but I predict he will break and go learn chinese instead.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He's not skilled enough to play a finesse game, he has yet to realize this.

And I can't seem him turning into a like bulldog forechecker who gets the puck. He doesn't have the mentality nor the physical attributes.

If you tell him to watch Lehkonen tapes and mold his game around that, he will probably sulk.

I wish that I didn't agree with you on this but you are correct, he will need to show a lot more jam to his game and he needs to do it now.

 

[Bombshell11]

He just doesn't seem to want it bad enough, I get a Martin Reway vibe off of him. He will need to be tenacious to play in the NHL as his skill set while being somewhat impressive is not elite and with him being undersized he will need to show that he is willing to outwork his opponents. Mesar absolutely floated through todays game as though he is entitled to do so as a 1st rounder and it was gross to have to watch.

I just don't see him putting it together from the evidence at hand. Who knows, perhaps he decides to train and work like a professional this year or perhaps he is content with having a girlfriend and playing hockey over seas.......I suspect the latter is closer to the truth at this point.

If he does bust at least his pick wasn't entirely wasted as we made up for it with Hutson, Beck, Engstrom and maybe even Rohrer and Davidson later in the same draft.

He looked better in the third.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Hes a luxury not a necessity. Even the best drafting teams bust 1st rounders. There's still a lot of skill to work with.

Leave him in Laval and see what happens by the time his ELC is up. We have nothing but time.

 

[Pazucha]

I am saying this as a Slovak fan so this is not easy to say but Mesar is NHL bust. (I think this is the first time I have used this word for any prospect)

I have seen enough of him he is going back to Europe next season after AHL. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Slovak Extraliga in a few years.

I cant believe he still thinks he can just cruise around the ice with his height and size and land a job in the nhl. This kid thinks he is the next offensive superstar literally gives 0% **** about defense or doing any dirty work.

 

[Faterson]

This kid thinks he is the next offensive superstar literally gives 0% **** about defense or doing any dirty work.

He simply believed @Bombshell11 in this thread who kept setting him up as the second coming of Gretzky.

 

[HuGort]

First round pick, third rookie camp and still looks like a bust.

Trade him while its not too late.

I quite sure that pick was Slaf related. Because his size and skill definitely not the reason. Not doubt it worked to a degree, bringing in his best friend. Adding more confidence to Slaf.. But blind luck it never cost team Hutson

 

[Adam Michaels]

Mesar's gonna be fine. He didn't have a bad game yesterday. He didn't stand out yesterday because the Habs have a balanced prospect pool.

Other than Hutson and Engstrom, no one really stood out yesterday. Yet the Habs played a good game.

Back to Mesar, he was using his speed a lot of times to get to the puck first. He would back check. He'd be making passes while in full stride.

He's become a lot of people's whipping boy because he didn't score 100 pts in junior. Yet he was just under a PPG his first year, was over a PPG his second year + playoffs. Was over a PPG player in both WJC. Had a point in 2 AHL games last year before being send back to Kitchener.

The guy's gonna be fine. He might need more time, but he'll be good.

 

[Tyson]

Mesar's gonna be fine. He didn't have a bad game yesterday. He didn't stand out yesterday because the Habs have a balanced prospect pool.

Other than Hutson and Engstrom, no one really stood out yesterday. Yet the Habs played a good game.

Back to Mesar, he was using his speed a lot of times to get to the puck first. He would back check. He'd be making passes while in full stride.

He's become a lot of people's whipping boy because he didn't score 100 pts in junior. Yet he was just under a PPG his first year, was over a PPG his second year + playoffs. Was over a PPG player in both WJC. Had a point in 2 AHL games last year before being send back to Kitchener.

The guy's gonna be fine. He might need more time, but he'll be good.

He also had 16 points in 10 playoff games. Folks need to lighten up on these kids.

 

[Habs4Life]

trade him before it's too late!

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Here is my critique of the "wait and see" approach

Obviously if you wait enough time you never have to make any actual judgements or decisions on players because the facts will be revealed to you eventually. While accurate, that approach is not conducive to being an NHL GM.

Being a good NHL GM really comes down to 2 things:

1. Being able to evaluate talent
2. Being able to evaluate the talent EARLY, before every other GM has

The earlier you are able to make accurate predictions of future success, the better GM you become, just like chess. So while it is a tough part of the business, the best GMs are able to move on from prospects early who aren't progressing how they like.

For example, Sakic made the right decision to trade Barron early in his career.

So for Mesar, of course he still has a chance at turning into something, but he was a poor use of assets and if any opportunity comes along to recoup some of that value, Hughes should jump on it and not just wait patiently for him to bust.

 

[Tyson]

Here is my critique of the "wait and see" approach

Obviously if you wait enough time you never have to make any actual judgements or decisions on players because the facts will be revealed to you eventually. While accurate, that approach is not conducive to being an NHL GM.

Being a good NHL GM really comes down to 2 things:

1. Being able to evaluate talent
2. Being able to evaluate the talent EARLY, before every other GM has

The earlier you are able to make accurate predictions of future success, the better GM you become, just like chess. So while it is a tough part of the business, the best GMs are able to move on from prospects early who aren't progressing how they like.

For example, Sakic made the right decision to trade Barron early in his career.

So for Mesar, of course he still has a chance at turning into something, but he was a poor use of assets and if any opportunity comes along to recoup some of that value, Hughes should jump on it and not just wait patiently for him to bust.

I say that they want to see how he plays against men in the AHL. If he doesn't pan out he will be one of many late first round picks to bust. I am not ready to jettison this player. Hughes knows what he is doing.

 

[billy piton]

Here is my critique of the "wait and see" approach

Obviously if you wait enough time you never have to make any actual judgements or decisions on players because the facts will be revealed to you eventually. While accurate, that approach is not conducive to being an NHL GM.

Being a good NHL GM really comes down to 2 things:

1. Being able to evaluate talent
2. Being able to evaluate the talent EARLY, before every other GM has

The earlier you are able to make accurate predictions of future success, the better GM you become, just like chess. So while it is a tough part of the business, the best GMs are able to move on from prospects early who aren't progressing how they like.

For example, Sakic made the right decision to trade Barron early in his career.

So for Mesar, of course he still has a chance at turning into something, but he was a poor use of assets and if any opportunity comes along to recoup some of that value, Hughes should jump on it and not just wait patiently for him to bust.

sakic traded byram because he needed a second line center asap. if the habs are in playoff race at the deadline this year and need someone to make a push, mešar could be traded for sure. but hugo wont trade him just for sake of trading him.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I say that they want to see how he plays against men in the AHL. If he doesn't pan out he will be one of many late first round picks to bust. I am not ready to jettison this player. Hughes knows what he is doing.

Of course a late 1st rounder busting is the expected outcome.

Picking the guy who doesn't bust, or moving on from him when it is clear he will, is it what separates the Elite GMs.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

It’s a rookie showdown with a number of players people have never heard of….. on both sides. Our team looked like they were playing with a tennis ball.

HuGo have no plans to trade any of these guys based on this two game “howdy-do”. Mesar’s line looked out of sync like a lot of other lines.
Give him a steady shift on the Rocket for a year then have a look.
Mesar isn’t my favourite prospect but at #26 he looked fine plus Beck & Hutson’s development help insulate him from a lot of scrutiny.

Cheers

 

[MtlSars]

Man if his name what Philippe Méthot he'd be penciled in the third line. The guy is good, you guys are like 20 year old women on Tinder, anything under 6 feet doesn't qualify.

He's good and I'd wager it'll show more and more at the real camp.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I quite sure that pick was Slaf related. Because his size and skill definitely not the reason. Not doubt it worked to a degree, bringing in his best friend. Adding more confidence to Slaf.. But blind luck it never cost team Hutson

I am sure it was not completely Slaf related. If Hughes was going to do things like that he would have drafted his own son. I suspect that they felt that there were several players (Kulich, Mesar etc) that were similar or equal and they went with the one that had a connection to Slaf. They aren't spending a 1st just to get a friend of a high pick. Maybe a 4th or later.