Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part III

[HockeyBasedNYC]

He saw a specialist who determined that he's not "dealing with (a) concussion"

So hes dealing with something that has concussion-like symptoms?

Not sure what other kind of injury produces such symptoms - unless its just general soreness... but i think that would be hard to confuse... or not. Thats up to the specialist and the player I spose.

Either way - great news!

Hope this is the only time this season something like this pops up.

 

[Atax]

There's a thing called gambling. NHL is probably the only league in NA to be this vague about injuries. It will change eventually. Lineup announcements too. Coming from Europe, I find it unbelievable that there is such a thing as "game time decision", with lineups and rosters posted like 30mins before puck drop. In Europe with big soccer leagues, starting XI has to be public like 5 hours before kick off, mandated by all the betting companies. The gamblers have to know what they are putting their money into.

Gambling doesn't eliminate someone's right to their health privacy. Expecting people to share protected information about their health because of gambling is a bit of an absurd take.

 

[SA16]

Gambling doesn't eliminate someone's right to their health privacy. Expecting people to share protected information about their health because of gambling is a bit of an absurd take.

Joining a professional sports league, however, does eliminate that. It is, in fact, part of CBAs and the players agree to it.

 

[Atax]

Joining a professional sports league, however, does eliminate that. It is, in fact, part of CBAs and the players agree to it.

Thats fair. I admit, I dont know the specifics of the CBA. I'd imagine its a conversation of what the player is comfortable being released. Upper/lower etc. Id be glad to read about it though.

Edit: Heres some info,

Disclosure of Medical Information.
Clubs, the League, and the NHLPA may use, disclose and redisclose a Player's Medical Information for the purposes set forth in this Section 34.3, the SPC, and the Authorizations as reasonably required for professional sports operations and related to the Player's employment a san NHL hockey Player (or, as appropriate, Players' employment as NHL hockey Players).

Except with respect to uses, disclosures and redisclosures of Medical Information that are permitted under the CBA, the SPC, and the Authorizations, the Clubs, the NHLPA and the League shall not use, disclose or redisclose any Medical Information relating to a Player (unless stripped of all individual Player-identifying information) without the express, prior, written consent of the Player or as required by law.

For public relations purposes a Club, the League, and/or the NHLPA may disclose the following information: (A) for injuries sustained during the course of a Player's employment as a hockey Player with the Club, including, but not limited to, travel with his team or on business requested by the Club: (I) the nature of a Player's injury, (II) the prognosis and the anticipated length of recovery from the injury, and (III) the treatment and surgical procedures undertaken or anticipated in regard to the injury; and(B) for any other medical and/or health condition that prevents a Player from rendering services to his Club: (I) the fact that a medical and/or179ARTICLE 34 34.3-34.3health condition is preventing the Player from rendering services to the Club, and (II) the anticipated length of the Player's absence from the Club

 

[bobbop]

The reason teams keep injuries is under wrap because they don’t want opponents targeting injured areas. It’s an old hockey tradition. When I was first starting in the minor league, one of my jobs was to pump the other teams players, coached, radio announcers and reporters to learn the location of injuries and then report that information back to the coaches.

 

[RangersFan]

Glad he's not concussed but he's still injury prone as hell. They should be making roster plans around the inevitability that he will go down again at some point this season. It sucks because when healthy he's probably our most electric guy but he's made of glass.

 

[hardnosed]

As a someone who was a fighter, I can tell you first hand sometimes getting hit in the face can give you pain. Face. Jaw. Neck. Even a headache. But that does NOT mean it is brain (concussion) related. Being that Fil has had actual concussion issues, I would think ANY headache or pain in the area, stemming from contact to the head or face or whiplash, would inspire a GREAT deal of caution.

100%. Especially with a guy that had multiple concessions. But it begs the question, how in the world do you let that guy return to the game? They just cleared him of having a concussion. But, after a quick 5 minute evaluation, he returns to the game? You have to handle this guy different than anyone else. How do they not understand that?

 

[SA16]

The reason teams keep injuries is under wrap because they don’t want opponents targeting injured areas. It’s an old hockey tradition. When I was first starting in the minor league, one of my jobs was to pump the other teams players, coached, radio announcers and reporters to learn the location of injuries and then report that information back to the coaches.

There is no reason to do so. Do they think others teams are incapable of watching video and determining roughly what area of the body a player has injured? It's pointless tradition and they do it because the league allows them to do so.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Most likely neck given how tall Miller is

 

[Levitate]

IMO as fans we're owned nothing at all when it comes to injury information...we're not entitled to that shit just because we want to know.
And if you're gambling because of it well that's just part of the risk you take

 

[SnowblindNYR]

IMO as fans we're owned nothing at all when it comes to injury information...we're not entitled to that shit just because we want to know.
And if you're gambling because of it well that's just part of the risk you take

Treating fans or the paying customer as if they're nobodies is certainly a take. Every other league gives information. Only the NHL is too good for that.

 

[nyr2k2]

Treating fans or the paying customer as if they're nobodies is certainly a take. Every other league gives information. Only the NHL is too good for that.

I second Levitate's sentiment. I don't feel like a nobody if the Rangers choose to just use generic "upper body injury" designations. Of course when you become a professional athlete you do forfeit some expectation to privacy, but for me, medical diagnoses are one of those times where people should maintain some privacy. Other than for bettors, what does it really change?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I second Levitate's sentiment. I don't feel like a nobody if the Rangers choose to just use generic "upper body injury" designations. Of course when you become a professional athlete you do forfeit some expectation to privacy, but for me, medical diagnoses are one of those times where people should maintain some privacy. Other than for bettors, what does it really change?

Not giving a timeline and not giving a diagnosis is not fun from a fan perspective. You spend the entire season completely in the dark. I know this probably sounds entitled but I like knowing why my players aren't playing and for how long. Last year the Chytil saga was unbearable.

 

[jniklast]

He saw a specialist who determined that he's not "dealing with (a) concussion"

So hes dealing with something that has concussion-like symptoms?

Not sure what other kind of injury produces such symptoms - unless its just general soreness... but i think that would be hard to confuse... or not. Thats up to the specialist and the player I spose.

Either way - great news!

Hope this is the only time this season something like this pops up.

Some minor injuries to the jaw or neck? I'd think both can cause headaches and dizziness, just like a concussion.

 

[TominNC]

I get privacy rights and hipaa but professional athletes sacrifice these things as part of their contracts and getting paid. The nhl and professional leagues generally exist due to its customers and this information is very relevant. We’re fans and this impacts the player/team/game.

Only if they’re gambling on the games. I don’t NEED to see the starting lineup or know the goalie until Sam tells me who’s playing. Players have rights. Lots of people make a lot of money but don’t give up those rights.

Too bad for the gamblers.

 

[nyr2k2]

Not giving a timeline and not giving a diagnosis is not fun from a fan perspective. You spend the entire season completely in the dark. I know this probably sounds entitled but I like knowing why my players aren't playing and for how long. Last year the Chytil saga was unbearable.

I understand wanting at least a general diagnosis but it sounds like they might not even fully understand what's wrong with Chytil. I mean it's like last year, they thought they knew what was wrong with him, let him start to come back, and then he fell on the ice during practice and was out again? Doesn't really sound like anyone has a real grip on what's actually wrong with the guy, and I don't see what is to be gained by giving speculative diagnoses about something that's having a major impact on a player's wellbeing. Like for Chytil they could tell me, "We don't know WTF is wrong with him but he's going through some real shit and he'll hopefully be back sometime." That's totally nonspecific but I'd be like, yeah, ok, good luck my guy.

As for the timeline, outside of the Chytil thing, have there really been any issues? I mean, playing fantasy hockey I will tell you that every team in the league uses "day-to-day" to describe a guy's condition for weeks at a time, "indefinitely," all that stuff, pretty regularly. That's not an NYR thing. I think it would be good if the league asked the teams to try to be a little more specific, but again, outside of bettors (and fantasy players), no one is tangibly impacted by the lack of information. We as fans may find it frustrating, but at the end of the day, me knowing whether a guy is out a day, a week, a month, or for the year, doesn't really matter much.

IDK. I understand your points and don't mean to dismiss them, I just disagree.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I understand wanting at least a general diagnosis but it sounds like they might not even fully understand what's wrong with Chytil. I mean it's like last year, they thought they knew what was wrong with him, let him start to come back, and then he fell on the ice during practice and was out again? Doesn't really sound like anyone has a real grip on what's actually wrong with the guy, and I don't see what is to be gained by giving speculative diagnoses about something that's having a major impact on a player's wellbeing. Like for Chytil they could tell me, "We don't know WTF is wrong with him but he's going through some real shit and he'll hopefully be back sometime." That's totally nonspecific but I'd be like, yeah, ok, good luck my guy.

As for the timeline, outside of the Chytil thing, have there really been any issues? I mean, playing fantasy hockey I will tell you that every team in the league uses "day-to-day" to describe a guy's condition for weeks at a time, "indefinitely," all that stuff, pretty regularly. That's not an NYR thing. I think it would be good if the league asked the teams to try to be a little more specific, but again, outside of bettors (and fantasy players), no one is tangibly impacted by the lack of information. We as fans may find it frustrating, but at the end of the day, me knowing whether a guy is out a day, a week, a month, or for the year, doesn't really matter much.

IDK. I understand your points and don't mean to dismiss them, I just disagree.

I don't think bettors are more entitled to the info. But I do think the paying customer should get a general sense of how long like they do in other sports. It's basically complete silence with Lavi and blatant lies with Gallant. It's disrespectful to the fanbase.

 

[GAGLine]

Only if they’re gambling on the games. I don’t NEED to see the starting lineup or know the goalie until Sam tells me who’s playing. Players have rights. Lots of people make a lot of money but don’t give up those rights.

Too bad for the gamblers.

As a gambler, I don't see how it makes a difference. He's either playing or he isn't. The reason doesn't matter.

 

[Greg02]

but again, outside of bettors (and fantasy players), no one is tangibly impacted by the lack of information

This is degenerative Roster Building Thread user erasure.

 

[Peltz]

I don't think bettors are more entitled to the info. But I do think the paying customer should get a general sense of how long like they do in other sports. It's basically complete silence with Lavi and blatant lies with Gallant. It's disrespectful to the fanbase.

Would you rather respect the player or cater to the fanbase who, at best, has a parasocial relationship with the player?

I don't think not knowing the intimate details of a player's symptoms is tantamount to be disrespected as a fan. We want him to be healthy and wish him the best, but give the players some privacy to get through difficult stuff if they don't want it out in the public.

It's like when players check into the players assistance program, the reasons why should come out on their own terms, if at all.

And I think the same is true of any injury or illness a player may be dealing with. Even if it's purely something as innocuous as a pulled muscle or a sinus infection.

A vague timeline about how long they'll be out is enough for me. Of course I want to know more. But I don't feel disrespected by not knowing more.