Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part III

[haohmaru]

If Chytil is out with concussion symptoms for decent term, then I think the organization and Chytil need to have a real sit down about his future. The last 2 (assuming this is one) documented concussions would have been from not much impact, which is pretty dangerous at the NHL level. Hoping it's something else here but I have my doubts. When a player like Chytil went through all that, I just think the organization would quickly shut that down if they knew it wasn't concussion related.

From an organizational perspective, the Rangers need to face the truth that they are one play away from losing a top 6/9 center every year and it’s happening every year. I feel bad for the guy but the Rangers need to move on and replace him.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

From an organizational perspective, the Rangers need to face the truth that they are one play away from losing a top 6/9 center every year and it’s happening every year. I feel bad for the guy but the Rangers need to move on and replace him.

Imagine the Rangers prioritizing the center position

 

[Savant]

Imagine the Rangers prioritizing the center position

What would you like them to have done differently?

 

[TGWL]

We drafted 6 C in the last 4 drafts. Problem is we don't have a ton of draft capital and these players are drafted 3rd round or later. So when you're looking at top 6/9 potential from draft prospects, it's a tough roll to just fill on the fly. We could be going into this offseason with more available spots than we've had in a long time. How we address that or fill those spots will be interesting.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

We drafted 6 C in the last 4 drafts. Problem is we don't have a ton of draft capital and these players are drafted 3rd round or later. So when you're looking at top 6/9 potential from draft prospects, it's a tough roll to just fill on the fly. We could be going into this offseason with more available spots than we've had in a long time. How we address that or fill those spots will be interesting.

Throwing some 5th round darts at guys whose ceiling is 4C doesn’t count.

Chytil himself is the last 1st round center this team has drafted , last one with top 6 upside for sure, and that was 2017, which was a long ass time ago.

 

[JimmyG89]

Throwing some 5th round darts at guys whose ceiling is 4C doesn’t count.

Chytil himself is the last 1st round center this team has drafted , last one with top 6 upside for sure, and that was 2017, which was a long ass time ago.

On top of that, their wingers are not former centers either. A lot of the time you will have former Cs convert to wing out of necessity for the team build. We had this with JT Miller at the time he broke into the league.

The last time the Rangers used a 1st or 2nd round pick on a natural center was Karl Henriksson in 2019. When you think about drafted and developed Cs with actual NHL players for the Rangers over the last 20 years, it is Dubinsky, Stepan, Chytil, Anisimov, and Miller. All the other Cs have been from trade or free agent signings. The Brassard and Zibanejad trades have helped immensely in fixing issues with developing Cs.

I'm not saying we need to draft and develop all of our centers, but more than one would be nice. One developed C since 2011 is no way to run an organization.

 

[Levitate]

From an organizational perspective, the Rangers need to face the truth that they are one play away from losing a top 6/9 center every year and it’s happening every year. I feel bad for the guy but the Rangers need to move on and replace him.

I think they would have if they could, but their hands were tied last offseason.

As for drafting centers, I'd still rather draft BPA in the first round than trying to force a center pick

 

[TGWL]

Throwing some 5th round darts at guys whose ceiling is 4C doesn’t count.

Chytil himself is the last 1st round center this team has drafted , last one with top 6 upside for sure, and that was 2017, which was a long ass time ago.

It counts. it just won't be a sexy fill-in when needed or an impressive make the team out of camp. They can only work with what they have. We've traded away picks and drafted guys like Gabe and Emery with the high picks we did have. Would you have preferred they prioritized the C position over those 2 picks? Maybe Emery could have been replaced with Lucas Pettersson picks later, but there wasn't a lot to work with when you look at what picks they had. I think the bigger issue is waiting too long for these prospects to go nowhere before offloading them to get something back or a prospect swap.

 

[gabevh3]

Imagine the Rangers prioritizing the center position

No problem... go the drury/gomez route again

I think they would have if they could, but their hands were tied last offseason.

As for drafting centers, I'd still rather draft BPA in the first round than trying to force a center pick

Yup and then trade him in a package for a good center

 

[IDvsEGO]

Imagine the Rangers prioritizing the center position

No problem... go the drury/gomez route again


Yup and then trade him in a package for a good center

The rangers have mostly gone BPA in the 1st round.
They had center targets in 19/20, and then moved up via lotto, to positions where the BPA was clearly a wing.

Anderson was a trash pick, but chytil was great for where he was drafted.

The rangers do understand having center depth is important, but up until last year Zib looked like a top line center, and we are strong on the wings which made things alot easier.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The rangers have mostly gone BPA in the 1st round.
They had center targets in 19/20, and then moved up via lotto, to positions where the BPA was clearly a wing.

Anderson was a trash pick, but chytil was great for where he was drafted.

The rangers do understand having center depth is important, but up until last year Zib looked like a top line center, and we are strong on the wings which made things alot easier.

How do we know who they were targeting?

Anyway they should have gone center in 2018, 2021, 2022, and 2023

 

[80s Kid]

How do we know who they were targeting?

Anyway they should have gone center in 2018, 2021, 2022, and 2023

So we shouldn't have drafted Gabe?

 

[gabevh3]

The rangers have mostly gone BPA in the 1st round.
They had center targets in 19/20, and then moved up via lotto, to positions where the BPA was clearly a wing.

Anderson was a trash pick, but chytil was great for where he was drafted.

The rangers do understand having center depth is important, but up until last year Zib looked like a top line center, and we are strong on the wings which made things alot easier.

Ya i dont get the Anderson pick when he wasnt even the bpa.

 

[mike14]

2018 - Ludestrom or Velano over Miller. Not sure that's a win.
2nd round absolutely. There's no excuse for Lindbom over Drury (or anyone really)
2021 - Johnston over Othmann, yup would have been a good pick if he was on our radar
2022 - the next C picked after Sykora was at #73. Sure, if that makes you happy
2023 - Stenberg or Ritchie over Gabe. Nah

Not having Miller is just moving the issue IMO, so it's one draft really, and you just know people would have been bitching about BPA (as an example McKenzie had Othmann at #16 and Johnston at #40. Athletic had them at #21 and #20, THN #18 and #43 - although they also had Korzack higher than Johnston).

So you likely have center depth of something like Mika-Johnston-Chytil-Drury assuming everything pans out similarly development wise, and we are still in a pretty similar spot with Chytil going down.

If you want discuss how much draft capital (as well as someone like Barron) that we've given up, then that's a different discussion

 

[IDvsEGO]

So we shouldn't have drafted Gabe?

Center class in 18 is clearly the weakest part of that class.
Kratsov was the miss, but it was because we didnt grab Dobson.

2018 - Ludestrom or Velano over Miller. Not sure that's a win.
2nd round absolutely. There's no excuse for Lindbom over Drury (or anyone really)
2021 - Johnston over Othmann, yup would have been a good pick if he was on our radar
2022 - the next C picked after Sykora was at #73. Sure, if that makes you happy
2023 - Stenberg or Ritchie over Gabe. Nah

Not having Miller is just moving the issue IMO, so it's one draft really, and you just know people would have been bitching about BPA (as an example McKenzie had Othmann at #16 and Johnston at #40. Athletic had them at #21 and #20, THN #18 and #43 - although they also had Korzack higher than Johnston).

So you likely have center depth of something like Mika-Johnston-Chytil-Drury assuming everything pans out similarly development wise, and we are still in a pretty similar spot with Chytil going down.

If you want discuss how much draft capital (as well as someone like Barron) that we've given up, then that's a different discussion

Basically.

The bigger misses are '18 Not grabbing Dobson, which would've had a trickle down effect.
Likely move ADA at a high point instead of ending up buying him out.

 

[Row I Goon]

Fil's injury would be less an issue if we had a 1C who was earning his money.

Yeah, I went there.

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

No problem... go the drury/gomez route again

Don't give me flashbacks!

Anyway why are people talking about us drafting centers ITT? The only thing we do with draft picks is trade them for shitty rentals

 

[eco's bones]

If you look at the last couple drafts there were some good centers available in 2023 when the Rangers 1st round pick came up (Calum Ritchie was one) but also Gabriel Perreault who fell right into our hands. The Rangers did the right thing taking Perreault.

.....and then last year we went to the conference finals which meant we picked really late and there really weren't very good center options at that point and we didn't have a lot of defenders that were prospects so we went with Emery.

As far as draft capital. Almost all playoff bound teams will have holes and people get excited to see moves at the deadline and if they don't happen as with Carolina a couple years ago they wonder why. A team that's winning the President's trophy is going to think it has a good chance to win the cup. No reason to think they can't and that team will make moves with the idea of enhancing its chances. The Rangers have been to the conference finals twice in the last 3 years. Even if they haven't closed the deal that puts them with the top teams in the league. So there you go and most of this board would have been WTF! the last couple years if the Rangers did nothing like Carolina did in 2022 and even if it didn't punch the ticket for us.....not making any real moves didn't significantly help the Canes organizationally but without doubt it did undermine their playoff chances and basically they're getting a reputation as playoff chokers. But that's why we've been thin on picks. It's also why the bottom feeders in the league tend to have lots of picks. It isn't rocket science. And for that matter you can pick a center high----doesn't mean he'll play that position in the NHL on a regular basis and it doesn't mean he'll live up to the expectation the team might have for him as a player or that it won't take that player a while to become what you hope. Even for someone like Chytil---his struggles haven't been all about injuries. It was a process for him to get to where he was now and he's already 25. Sometimes you really do have to wait for the player to figure everything out.

 

[IDvsEGO]

How do we know who they were targeting?

Anyway they should have gone center in 2018, 2021, 2022, and 2023

The reports have been fairly clear
Zegras and Lundell were the targets because they expected to be inside the top 10.

 

[RangersFan1994]

We drafted 6 C in the last 4 drafts. Problem is we don't have a ton of draft capital and these players are drafted 3rd round or later. So when you're looking at top 6/9 potential from draft prospects, it's a tough roll to just fill on the fly. We could be going into this offseason with more available spots than we've had in a long time. How we address that or fill those spots will be interesting.

We draft centers but put them as wing once they make pro hockey like Rempe, Edstrom for example. That is another big issue. Not trusting s young player to work on their game as center