Fights with helmets on

[Mario le Magnifique]

I don't know if it's thread worthy, but I was thinking about the new rule where they want players to keep their helmets when they get in a fight.

Maybe they should start to fight with their gloves on ? If so, can they developp gloves specifically made for hockey fighting ? To be able to grab the sweater ? Would it be legal to alter the glove's conception to fight better with the gloves on, or are there any specific rules about this equipment ?

I think it's dumb to invent new rules (such as fighting with helmets and visor on), might as well ban fighting altogether, because fighters are going to get broken hands and knuckles if they hit helmets and visor. Not mentionning the cuts and bleeding. You're going to see blood spilling but not from the face, from the fists.

Fighting defines the NHL compared to all the other hockey leagues and I'm personally a fan of it. Nothing is better than two fighters showing respect to each other by removing their helms prior to a fight. Hockey is a show and many supports fighting because it's pure entertainment. Fights with helmets on is dumb.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

If they're going to have to fight with helmets on, and visors are now mandatory, they should allow fighting with gloves on, but only allow body shots. Also no jersey grabbing.

 

[abax44]

If they're going to have to fight with helmets on, and visors are now mandatory, they should allow fighting with gloves on, but only allow body shots. Also no jersey grabbing.

If this ever becomes the case they should just ban fighting in hockey because no self respecting tough guy will want to be a part of that circus.

 

[Mr Atoz*]

If this ever becomes the case they should just ban fighting in hockey because no self respecting tough guy will want to be a part of that circus.

Yeah, he'd rather drive a truck for $50,000 a year.

 

[Mario le Magnifique]

If this ever becomes the case they should just ban fighting in hockey because no self respecting tough guy will want to be a part of that circus.

Grabbing the jersey is important to keep balance on skates when you fight. What players could do is drop one glove to grab / control the opponent's reach and punch with the free hand with glove on. Punching a guy on the helmet can really ring a bell, but then comes the concussion problems. I don't know, it seems the league is moving toward anti fighting, even if teams in the east especially, are gooning it up. Thing is, intimidation is a factor in hockey games, it works, so it'll never go away. But what happens if fights aren't allowed? Dirty little cheapshots and no way to deal with it.

What is better, fights or more cheapshots?

 

[Fandlauer]

10 years from now fighting hockey will gone. It is clear at this point the NHL wants nothing to do with it. Players aren't going to fight opponents wearing helmets fitted with visors. Its the new NHL, its better to just come to terms with it. I will miss getting to see the occasional fight to be honest.

 

[MtRundle]

Well keeping helmets on is nice when the back of your head hits the ice.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

10 years from now fighting hockey will gone. It is clear at this point the NHL wants nothing to do with it. Players aren't going to fight opponents wearing helmets fitted with visors. Its the new NHL, its better to just come to terms with it. I will miss getting to see the occasional fight to be honest.

THat is the sad reality of it.

One step closer to soccer

 

[hatterson]

Well keeping helmets on is nice when the back of your head hits the ice.

Yep. The league doesn't want to see things like what happened to Tropp last night.

Yes, it could have been worse, but it still appears to be another concussion for Tropp who had a significant recovery from high first one. Regardless of what role Tropp really has, no one wants to see that.

I know that Tropp started the fight off with a helmet and lost it during, but the league still wants to do all they can to limit the chances of it occurring.

 

[JETZZZ]

Grabbing the jersey is important to keep balance on skates when you fight. What players could do is drop one glove to grab / control the opponent's reach and punch with the free hand with glove on. Punching a guy on the helmet can really ring a bell, but then comes the concussion problems. I don't know, it seems the league is moving toward anti fighting, even if teams in the east especially, are gooning it up. Thing is, intimidation is a factor in hockey games, it works, so it'll never go away. But what happens if fights aren't allowed? Dirty little cheapshots and no way to deal with it.

What is better, fights or more cheapshots?

I think better officiating that doesnt let things escalate to the point there are fights breaking out would be the best, but thats never gonna happen.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

Yep. The league doesn't want to see things like what happened to Tropp last night.

Yes, it could have been worse, but it still appears to be another concussion for Tropp who had a significant recovery from high first one. Regardless of what role Tropp really has, no one wants to see that.

I know that Tropp started the fight off with a helmet and lost it during, but the league still wants to do all they can to limit the chances of it occurring.

Such a joke. They should keep fighting as is, it's a long standing tradition. Removing fighting will remove part of the spirit of hockey.

If they outlaw fighting, I'll stop watching. Sick of stupid rules ruining the sport.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I know it's for safety during a fall but fighting with a helmet on(and in some cases a visor) is stupid, you're going to see way more injuried from punching a helmet than those who would have been hurt from hitting their head on the ice during a fall. I guess the 2nd is more severe but still, this is eventually going to lead to no more fighting which is a depressing thought

 

[waffledave]

Such a joke. They should keep fighting as is, it's a long standing tradition. Removing fighting will remove part of the spirit of hockey.

If they outlaw fighting, I'll stop watching. Sick of stupid rules ruining the sport.

I agree with you, but understand that what you see today is not the fighting that happened in the 70's.

Tradition changes. They used to slug guys in the back of the head while they were down. There was no "code".

 

[Ari91]

I just realized that during the goalie scrap, Bernier and Miller took off their own helmets and the boxscore shows that neither were assessed a penalty for it. Do goalies not apply or was that just an oversight by the refs given all the activity that was going on?

 

[billybobjoe2112]

I just realized that during the goalie scrap, Bernier and Miller took off their own helmets and the boxscore shows that neither were assessed a penalty for it. Do goalies not apply or was that just an oversight by the refs given all the activity that was going on?

I'm sure if a goalie dropped the gloves and kept his helmet we'd have a fifteen page thread on how much of a pansy he is. You can punch a player and avoid a helmet and visor. With a goalie mask you are only going to break your hand punching a mask.

 

[Hynh]

Out with a whimper and not a bang.

 

[ForumNamePending]

I am not all that convinced myself but I would be OK with quasi sanctioned fighting making an exit.

 

[Terry Yake]

If they're going to have to fight with helmets on, and visors are now mandatory, they should allow fighting with gloves on, but only allow body shots. Also no jersey grabbing.

stupid question but i'm still not 100% sure about the mandatory visor thing

did the league pass this rule making visors mandatory for incoming rookies or is it just something that they are considering for the future?

 

[LiveeviL]

I am not all that convinced myself but I would be OK with quasi sanctioned fighting making an exit.

Well yes, staged fights are meh. Fights in the heat of the battle is another thing and it will never go away, you got fights in SHL too.

 

[#2eddieshore]

This really is a very sneaky way of the Nhl eliminating fighting from the game.

It is avoiding the uproar that would occur by actually banning fighting and effectively grandfathering fighting out of the game.

 

[Systemfel]

Are they going to ban slap shots, too? Hard shots can be dangerous.

 

[Buck Aki Berg]

I think it's dumb to invent new rules (such as fighting with helmets and visor on), might as well ban fighting altogether, because fighters are going to get broken hands and knuckles if they hit helmets and visor. Not mentionning the cuts and bleeding. You're going to see blood spilling but not from the face, from the fists.

....and broken hands are a much more serious injury than fractured skulls.

 

[spitshockey81]

There are still fights in major junior and they wear visors, lots of the guys coming up will be used to it anyway. They'll be fighting the same as in juniors, I think the nhl wants to eliminate concussions rather than fighting.

 

[JETZZZ]

What other pro sports can use fighting in it as a marketing tool like the NHL? By not outright banning it, find a way to penalize it, then post it all over their sight the day after. Personally, I think Basketball could benefit from having an occasional fight break out. NFL would be another one that should embrace fights like in hockey. Baseball once and a while has thoes bench clearing brawls but they dont happen often enough in my opinion.

 

[sandysan]

....and broken hands are a much more serious injury than fractured skulls.

Are fractured skulls worse than crushed windpipes ( ala mccleary)? Should we ban slapshots ?

Ive watched the game most of my life, ive seen guys get injured from fights but when I look back at the most threatening injuries, the ones that could have ( and in some cased should have) killed someone, fights dont make the list ( hello malarchuck, mccleary, freaking perezhogin and mcsorely).

More than 100 years, countless number of fights. If you get rid of it, welcome to stick fights ( hey kessel) and when someone really gets hurt the anti fighting crowd will do a complete 180 and say that the perpetrator wasvan isolated incident that is not indicative and that removing the far less injurious way of settling a beef ( because there will be beefs) is not responsible.

All this does is accelerate the development of tear away sheilds. Pugilism through technology.