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FHL: Who will be the first to fold

Been reading and to some degree following the various threads on this league. All in all it settles out to sounding a little harsh.

Let me be clear, I am not trying to explain or justify any of the act being criticized. Maybe just providing some context.

RE: Dayton. When the original team that played there last year was moved out by it's ownership, the owner(s) of the Berkshire Battalion team saw an opportunity to address a problem. To wit: an inability to schedule home games on a Friday night in Berkshire. Not throwing shade on either the rink management, the town of Berkshire or ownership. Moving to Danville was done (in part) to address that scheduling issue as well as improving facilities. However, the rink situation that they ended up with created a different and more critical problem. The rink ownership took the entire gate receipts and deducted their costs of ice and rink facility game day management and gave the remainder to the team. Often this was a hundred dollars or less. So instead of improving the financial situation, it made it worse. I have NO information as to the previous arrangements with last years team, nor info on attendance.

Look, I understand that the Dayton ownership agreed to the lease terms, though I can see where moving from a virginal market like Berkshire to a (more) established market like Dayton, could have led to conclusions that ended up being unsupportable by the resultant actual events.

But no matter what the case is, one can see that without game day revenues it becomes difficult for a team to pay it's bills. I suspect the move to the new facility is/was an attempt to address that situation.

Source for this info: League players

As for other teams, each situation is different, but the model established by last years league Champs, Watertown Wolves, would be a good place to start. It was widely reported that the ownership team consisted of local businessmen who formed a partnership to own the team. According to those reports, interested ownership prospects were advised not to expect to be profitable or even break even for at least several years. They were setting up a tax loss opportunity until the team could be established in the community. But according to different sources, even that ownership model was tested and there were some periods in which players were not paid on time. But it would seem to me that their 'model' made more sense for the long term.

Several new teams have new ownership groups this year. And several of the marketplaces have yet to embrace their local team. And yes, they may never. But when you look at the attendance numbers for these franchise locations there are several that have had a history of supporting local minor hockey. So those situations may well improve. What most likely necessary, is for the team management to make a concerted effort to cultivate relationships with local fan bases etc. to 'market' their product (the team) more effectively. This takes more than a few months. Maybe years.

As for criticism of players in the league, I would hope that those who make some of the comments I've read, would take a step back and take a deep breath. After all it's a GAME. Most of these players are there principally because they love the game. Some have higher ambitions, moving up to play in the higher minor pro ranks. Perhaps as a way of establishing a resume to move into coaching and teaching in the future. Witness the comments made by the new Brewster franchise coach, David Lun, made when he was hired.

So maybe the level of play is not the level of the old Danbury Trashers, but neither is the payroll on or off the books lol.

Look as someone mentioned, a lot of these kids are chasing a dream. One they are not ready to give up on just yet. As I heard one young player say, " there will be no better time in my life to do this. I have no real responsibilities right now. I don't want to look back and have the regret of not trying".

I'm sure every player has their own reasons for what they are doing. One would hope that everyone could gain some perspective on this and be less judgmental.

Remember it's easy to be critical, it's much more difficult to be correct.

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Lots of good points, one big issue in this league is the league owner itself, Kirnan. He is a buffoon, this is the crappiest run league I have ever seen at any level. Absolute no vetting of potential team owners, this is a large reason why all these teams fail, yes attendance is low, but if you follow this league from the beginning, several teams never made it to play one game! and several folded after the first weekend. Watertown is a good example, local owners who shared in the financial burden, it really worked last year for them. Playing in a small venue also is the key, teams don't need a 5-10.000 seat arena to play in front of 600 fans!!

I hope Dayton gets their team to finish out the year, then reevaluate for next year
 
Falconone, sounds like you got some inside knowledge on the FHL. What is life like in the FHL in the 2015-2016 season? What's the average salary per week? Meals and accommodations provided to players?
 
Dayton just came out with an announcement 15 minutes ago on their facebook page that said: "Dayton Demolition fans, the rumors of the team folding are false. A statement from the Dayton Demolition owner will be released soon. Thank you and go Dayton Demoltion".

The PA announcer, who has been the long term voice of Dayton hockey, posted a scathing message which he later (evidently) deleted. Several long term volunteer off ice officials have been making critical statements as well. A player came out and said that 4 paychecks had been missed. The players supposedly rented two vans to go to Port Huron last weekend and there was a post that said that a sponsor of the team had purchased groceries for the players.

A (supposedly) recent employee of the team came out and said that the team has folded.

It appears that the franchise is in the ICU and that code blue has been called. It's probably for the best if the patient is not successfully resuscitated.

EDIT: Owner (William Dadds) just posted a message on the team's facebook page stating that the rumors are false and that the team remains at Hara, that there is new management and that "all home games are scheduled to be played as before".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQftYK2n8o
 
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Dayton's home games are now back up on the Federal League site. All home games had disappeared off the schedule on that site right after all the rumors began.

I guess I'll be going up to the game at Hara on the 21st. I'm glad to see that the fans of Dayton have their team. It looked like it was curtains just a week ago. The demolition of The Demolition is indefinitely postponed:yo:
 
If players are willing to play in a low-paying league in order to keep playing a few more years or try to make the ECHL, that's fine. If the owners are unable to pay them even those low salaries, that's not fine.

Therein lies the main distinction between the SPHL and the FHL.
 
So, they suspend a team only to have them come back in the same season?

I'm sorry, but how can this beer league keep on surviving?
 
So, they suspend a team only to have them come back in the same season?

I'm sorry, but how can this beer league keep on surviving?

I really don't get it either.

There's no money to be made; only money to be lost. There is no prestige or public recognition for being an owner. There is no hope that the league will become part of something greater.

I guess it could be a money-laundering scam. Kidding. I think.
 
I believe the league needs to maintain 6 teams in order for non-American players to be eligible for work visas.

In the past they have gone with travel teams like the Federals and Blues. Not sure why they are propping up Dayton after all the bad press they got, but the owners need to keep 6 teams to keep the Canadian players.
 
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Falconone, sounds like you got some inside knowledge on the FHL. What is life like in the FHL in the 2015-2016 season? What's the average salary per week? Meals and accommodations provided to players?

Francis 10. Don't profess to have insight to the entire league but i'll try to provide insight based on what I know from talking to a few players or their families,

The salary structure is limited by league rule. Somewhere in the area of $5000 a week. The top players may be paid $400-$500 but the others are closer to $200. The team provides housing and transportation to away games along with hotels and meals when on the road.

Probably a bit like living in the hockey house while in college. lol

A typical week is Monday off, though some teams will have an optional skate. Practice on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday along with workouts after practice. Games on Friday, Saturday and sometimes Sunday.

Lastly, even with a contract, players only get paid IF they play in scheduled games over the weekend. So if they don't dress, they don't get a check. If they play in one game but don't dress for the other weekend game they get half of their week salary.

Players are responsible for their own meals when not travelling. Sometimes boosters will cook meals for players and bring them to the house. They also often get freebies from local sponsors, like restaurants.

Hope this helps.

F1
 
I know someone who played 2 seasons in the FHL before heading over seas to play. He said he averaged $50 per game, and still had to wait to get paid. I noticed he got waived, so I asked him why. He said he broke a bone in his hand and would be out 4 weeks. I asked how can that be, and he said he did't ask. I think he was on his own with the follow up medical bills too. Once the bone healed he was activated off waivers. I would think it breaks some form of labor laws? I told him it could always be worse. It could be a pay to play league :laugh:
 
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I know someone who played 2 seasons in the FHL before heading over seas to play. He said he averaged $50 per game, and still had to wait to get paid. I noticed he got waived, so I asked him why. He said he broke a bone in his hand and would be out 4 weeks. I asked how can that be, and he said he did't ask. I think he was on his own with the follow up medical bills too. Once the bone healed he was activated off waivers. I would think it breaks some form of labor laws? I told him it could always be worse. It could be a pay to play league :laugh:

Not sure when he played. But I heard last year there were owners who got into some financial difficulty and only kept paying the top 10 players. Everyone else signed for the money you referenced. As for injuries, if happens in a game they are supposed to be paid 80% while injured.

As for labor laws, one thing to consider is that these are contracts. Plus they are probably considered 'exempt' employees and not covered by the Fair Labor Standards act.

The teams are supposed to pay for medical coverage for injuries during a game but each team handles that differently.

F1
 
It would be a great service to all to have the US Government shut this league down permanently!
Most of the players in this league that are over 24 yrs old are really not very good. If they were, they would have left this garbage can along time ago.
The smarter bunch stop this madness and get on with life and a real career.

The pay in the Fhl is about equal to what a person could make including tips at a third world country all inclusive. Bacon money.

What is worse then the lack of quality players, is the extremely uneducated, mindless attempt of some individuals who think they are hockey coaches.:shakehead.

I have seen many Bantam and Midget level games that present more talent, hockey smarts, puck skills, skating ability and overall EFFORT.
Who knows what city this circus side show will show up next but for god sake... stay away from this embarrassment to the sport of Hockey boys.
Its not worth the risk of serious injury alone.
 
So, they suspend a team only to have them come back in the same season?

I'm sorry, but how can this beer league keep on surviving?

Serious question: what is the highest league that a former FHL player has played?

I'm not talking about a Pierre Dagenais or a Billy Tibbetts, who played in the NHL and later ended up in the FHL. I mean a player who started in the FHL and worked his way up to a higher league.
 
Serious question: what is the highest league that a former FHL player has played?

I'm not talking about a Pierre Dagenais or a Billy Tibbetts, who played in the NHL and later ended up in the FHL. I mean a player who started in the FHL and worked his way up to a higher league.

I can't find a comprehensive list, but I went to HockeyDB and looked at the all time roster of the Danville Dashers (they have been around a few years, so it seemed like a good sample. They have used 150 players in their five year history).

They have had players who also played in the SPHL, ECHL, CHL, LNAH, and one each in the Netherlands hockey league and Slolvak league (lower tier Europe). I would say there were maybe two guys who I would classify as "working their way up" - meaning they played at least a half season in the FHL, then played a season or two in the ECHL or CHL. Most of the players who also played in the ECHL or CHL were only there briefly (5 games or less) and then returned to the FHL. I don't think the SPHL, LNAH, or low level European leagues are really a move up.

I was surprised at the number of eastern european born players they have used (11, out of 150 total). I would assume there is some other reason these players emigrated to the US, and they just played some hockey also.

The majority of the players did not play top level junior hockey or Division 1 college. Mostly they were lower level junior players, Div 3 college, or didn't play anything above local rec league before the FHL, and most of the ones who did play college or juniors didn't play a full schedule (only 1-2 years, or only a few games per year, or played for three teams in the same year). Based on that, 99% of these players never had a chance at making even an ECHL roster as anything other than a temporary fill in.
 
The league has gotten worse over the past few years.

The Cyclones got a player in 2012-13 from the FHL who did a great job. Jeff Winchester wasn't named to the playoff roster only because he wasn't an "affiliated" player. Winchester had played in the ECHL, CHL and SPHL prior to ending up in the FHL.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=77549

I haven't seen a player of Winchester's caliber for-at least-the last few seasons when I've gone to games in Dayton. It doesn't appear that many former ECHL players are in the league anymore.

At this point, the FHL truly is a glorified beer league. I wouldn't be surprised if a D1 beer league team from Cincinnati which has a few exECHLers on it couldn't beat the Demolition handily. Dayton's team is absolutely awful this year. It isn't worthy to be called professional in any sense of the word.
 

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