98.5 The Sports Hub FELGER AND MAZZ - Was Brad Marchand the Bruins' problem in 2025?

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I love Brad, he wasn't the perfect captain, much better as the number 2 guy in the room.

But the Coyles/Carlos/Frederics were a bigger issue in the room imo.

Seems like a big part of the list of guys Dom said earlier this year that didn't put effort into improving were moved this deadline.
 
Clearly Marchand was not the best captain they have ever had. It's probably more because he didn't have anyone else in the room to help. Coyle and Carlo were dismissed as well. The brass clearly felt there were issues in the room and this team has had more quit and no shows than the past decade combined easily.

While I am not calling for their dismissal at this current time, it's amazing how the President and GM can fire coaches, trade players, and be so safe in Jacobs embrace it makes zero sense. This group inherited Bergeron, Krejci, Lucic, Hamilton, Krug, Chara, Pastrnak and Rask and got past the second round ONCE!. CHarlie says only cups matter but clearly they don't when it comes to judging his right hand men.

They did a great job of cleaning house last week. I applaud it. I even posted something along the lines of being sick and tired of watching the Frederics, Coyles and Carlos of the world. WIth all that being said, Charlie should have said to the management team "You're Next" Gut this thing completely is this summers and next summers UFA's leave something to be desired.
I actually made a point very similar in one of the many "should the team tear it down or keep on" threads and i'm glad somebody else beat me to it here. Would i call Marchand a shitty leader? Absolutely not. But i do think there's very much something to the fact the room seemingly had all the air sucked out of it with him as C.

Very rarely, if ever is a team led by just one guy in a locker room. As much as fans like to drone on and on about "THAT guy is the heart and soul!" that is never the case. It's usually a group of guys, some wear letters, some don't. Look at past Bruins teams; Chara was obviously the face of the leadership and table setter culture wise, but there were multiple guys around him as well. Savard before he had to retire, Ference, Bergeron, Shawn Thornton, Krejci to an extent. Those guys eventually went on their way but even then, Marchy still had Bergeron alongside him.

Look at the locker room now. Bergy retired and left an enormous hole in the metaphorical heart of the room. Marchand was by himself as the last bastion of that culture with no one to fill it. I love Pasta but he doesn't strike me as the type of guy who much cares for a role like that (and that's okay, that's why you have leaders; so everyone doesn't have to be one.) McAvoy absolutely doesn't strike me as someone smart/firey enough to be one. That's it, that's the core guys.

Who else besides them. Zadorov maybe evolves into that role given he is uber well liked by pretty much every room he's ever been in and plays the right type of game to set a tone.

Edit: This is also why i believe a confrontation between Pasta and Marchy did happen at one point, but not to the stupid degree the media tried to make it out to be. Tensions boiled over and the leadership wasn't there like it used to be.
 
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Life is beautiful. Doesn’t change the fact that the modern world affords too many more scumbag trollers an opportunity to have a their garbage projected outward.. I’m glad my early years of fandom didn’t include anywhere near the amount of shit like this.

f*** those two idiots.
 
Look at the locker room now. Bergy retired and left an enormous hole in the metaphorical heart of the room. Marchand was by himself as the last bastion of that culture with no one to fill it. I love Pasta but he doesn't strike me as the type of guy who much cares for a role like that (and that's okay, that's why you have leaders; so everyone doesn't have to be one.) McAvoy absolutely doesn't strike me as someone smart/firey enough to be one. That's it, that's the core guys.

Who else besides them. Zadorov maybe evolves into that role given he is uber well liked by pretty much every room he's ever been in and plays the right type of game to set a tone.

Edit: This is also why i believe a confrontation between Pasta and Marchy did happen at one point, but not to the stupid degree the media tried to make it out to be. Tensions boiled over and the leadership wasn't there like it used to be.
Your take is odd.

Zaddy has one good game and you declare him a leader? Pasta is a very good leader but could use some help.

As I already said the last two games had only Pasta with an "A" which says how thin on leadership this team is.

That "thing" between Brad and David is fake news.
 
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It was a typical Felger and Mazz oversimplification. 63 was not perfect. Both coaches had confrontations with him after all, but Coyle Frederic others were bigger problems. it would be nice if there was more leadership out of ELIAS etc. other than Zadorov no one stepped up.

My bet the acquire a veteran leader type this off season. I have no idea who.
 
Isn't Felger the guy that was making jokes out of Roy Halladay's death? We aren't taking him seriously, right? He's paid to give hot takes and get you to listen via outrage.
I have enough things that piss me off in life right now. Listening to those two dopes isn't something I will ever do.

It was a typical Felger and Mazz oversimplification. 63 was not perfect. Both coaches had confrontations with him after all, but Coyle Frederic others were bigger problems. it would be nice if there was more leadership out of ELIAS etc. other than Zadorov no one stepped up.

My bet the acquire a veteran leader type this off season. I have no idea who.
Brad Marchand! :D
 
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I actually made a point very similar in one of the many "should the team tear it down or keep on" threads and i'm glad somebody else beat me to it here. Would i call Marchand a shitty leader? Absolutely not. But i do think there's very much something to the fact the room seemingly had all the air sucked out of it with him as C.

Very rarely, if ever is a team led by just one guy in a locker room. As much as fans like to drone on and on about "THAT guy is the heart and soul!" that is never the case. It's usually a group of guys, some wear letters, some don't. Look at past Bruins teams; Chara was obviously the face of the leadership and table setter culture wise, but there were multiple guys around him as well. Savard before he had to retire, Ference, Bergeron, Shawn Thornton, Krejci to an extent. Those guys eventually went on their way but even then, Marchy still had Bergeron alongside him.

Look at the locker room now. Bergy retired and left an enormous hole in the metaphorical heart of the room. Marchand was by himself as the last bastion of that culture with no one to fill it. I love Pasta but he doesn't strike me as the type of guy who much cares for a role like that (and that's okay, that's why you have leaders; so everyone doesn't have to be one.) McAvoy absolutely doesn't strike me as someone smart/firey enough to be one. That's it, that's the core guys.

Who else besides them. Zadorov maybe evolves into that role given he is uber well liked by pretty much every room he's ever been in and plays the right type of game to set a tone.

Edit: This is also why i believe a confrontation between Pasta and Marchy did happen at one point, but not to the stupid degree the media tried to make it out to be. Tensions boiled over and the leadership wasn't there like it used to be.
Shawn Thornton's book was good. Talked about different leadership groups in the room. Chara was the unquestioned leader. Many didn't like his treatment of rookies as having an all inclusive equal say. Guys flocked to Bergeron as well. I get the feeling from the book the muscle in the room was Dangles, Boychuck and Ference. Bruins have nothing like what that team had.

I think Pasta while appearing aloof is very highly regarded in that room. They love him and he is very blunt and honest. I think McAvoy was really highly regarded by the superstars in the team USA room and is liked by the guys. I would actually go with mulitple assistants to force guys into a leadership role. Zadorov, the Lindholms, Kastelic...has to be organic IMO.

I also feel maybe the "2011" Bruins needed to be put to rest. There are no more of those guys left. Have you ever listened to the Bergeron/Rask/Raycroft and whomever type things they do? Guys like Rask and Krejci have been very critical of the effort by this team. Rask I think was asked who used to step up to say something and he said we didn't need it then, which I wholeheartedly agree with. That old group acts like they were the Patriots when well, they weren't but I digress
 
Many didn't like his treatment of rookies as having an all inclusive equal say
Granted it was only high school, but when I moved to the States my sophomore year I was very confused as to why freshmen had to carry all the equipment on teams, etc. So I think the whole way rookies are treated differently is probably a very north American mentality.
 
Wow I am finally able to get on...

I can't say 63 was the problem.....

But maybe more so his presence on the ice affected me way others played...


Several times they would try to force him passes.. resulted in turnovers

You could see he was clearly frustrated...and took some bad penalties because of it... Maybe trying to do too much

Without 63, the team has changed their style so far

The increase in team speed has helped the forecheck which one helped the defensive zone too
 
I resisted it for YEARS. But guys, the amount of 6 on 5 goals against and series chokes points to a systemic issue.

No doubt, sample size too big.

Now I'm not saying it's Brad.

But man, that core had GHOSTS
 
Question for those more in those in the know more than I;

Does anyone think that Chara returning to the team in a consultant role had anything to do with the change of personnel in the room?

Could Sweeney and Neely have asked for his feedback and would he have given creedence to the "change the core" moves? He certainly wanted players to respect each other but was never a country club/chummy kind of guy. He was all hard work, 100% effort all the time.

Food for thought...
 
If anything I think seeing 4 core guys get traded in a week forced everyone else to take notice and understand that their jobs/roles are just as tenuous.

Yes, they all “know” the deal when you play in the NHL, but seeing key players, who you know and played with get sent packing has to be a wake up call.
 
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Mike Felger? The guy who celebrated Roy Halladay dying in the plane crash? People still listen to this clown after that?
 

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