Fastest to reach milestones from 100 points to 2000 points

[Sens Rule]

From March '82 to Dec '82, Gretzky put 100 points in 39 games. Gross.

What's more gross is that that isn't his most impressive feat.

Gretzky's most impressive feat is being 2 points a game PLUS from like 1980-1991. In the playoffs too.

Gretzky was one of, or maybe the most consistent players ever in his prime. And his prime was an absurd level of dominance over everyone.

The only other athlete in pro team sports that has this prolonged consistent level of prime dominance is Jordan.

 

[The Panther]

From March '82 to Dec '82, Gretzky put 100 points in 39 games. Gross.

Just because prime-Gretzky stats are always fun, here are his stats per 1/2-seasons:

WHA Edm.

1978-79
1st 40 games: 23 + 24 = 47
2nd 40 games: 23 + 40 = 63

NHL Edm.

1979-80
1st 39 games: 22 + 36 = 58
2nd 40 games: 29 + 50 = 79

1980-81
1st 40 games: 21 + 49 = 70
2nd 40 games: 34 + 60 = 94

1981-82
1st 40 games: 50 + 58 = 108
2nd 40 games: 42 + 62 = 104

1982-83
1st 40 games: 30 + 65 = 95
2nd 40 games: 41 + 60 = 101

1983-84
1st 40 games: 43 + 74 = 117
2nd 34 games: 44 + 44 = 88

1984-85
1st 40 games: 42 + 73 = 115
2nd 40 games: 31 + 62 = 93

1985-86
1st 40 games: 28 + 75 = 103
2nd 40 games: 24 + 88 = 112

1986-87
1st 40 games: 40 + 58 = 98
2nd 39 games: 22 + 63 = 85

1987-88
1st 38 games: 30 + 56 = 86
2nd 26 games: 10 + 53 = 63


NHL L.A.

1988-89
1st 39 games: 29 + 59 = 88
2nd 39 games: 25 + 55 = 80

1989-90
1st 40 games: 21 + 64 = 85
2nd 33 games: 19 + 38 = 57

1990-91
1st 40 games: 25 + 50 = 75
2nd 38 games: 16 + 72 = 88

 

[MXD]

It's interesting that every single one of the early players on the "fastest to 100" list is either way down, or nowhere to be found on the 200 point list. Really speaks to how scoring levels yo-yo'd up and down in the early years, as the NHL settled on a few major rule changes.

I think it mostly speaks of how seasons were short and that 100 games could be the entire prime of said players.

(Also that there were other leagues before, as you know).

 

[daver]

And Crosby played 203-280 games in the high scoring environment.

In a higher scoring environment, not as high the ones Lindros played in. All things considered, Crosby's 430 games to reach 600 points is the most impressive after Wayne and Mario. Maybe even up to 900.

 

[MXD]

Actually, that table shows how Beliveau was impressive, possibly the 2nd most impressive after Gretzky (yes, that means possibly better than Mario), from 200 to 800.

Because there is absolutely nobody from his generation who is anywhere close (and those that are all played during the War years).

 

[Plural]

In a higher scoring environment, not as high the ones Lindros played in. All things considered, Crosby's 430 games to reach 600 points is the most impressive after Wayne and Mario. Maybe even up to 900.

I don't agree. But it's still super impressive. Among the best ever for sure.

 

[Moose Head]

Anybody have a way of figuring out the slowest to these milestones?

 

[MXD]

Anybody have a way of figuring out the slowest to these milestones?

HR

Between 100 and 120 pts
+ 1200 games
if fails
+ 1100 games

(etc...)

 

[daver]

I don't agree. But it's still super impressive. Among the best ever for sure.

This is all for ***** and giggles anyways but why isn't it? It's OK, it can be attributed to him hitting his prime almost from the get go of his career.

 

[MXD]

This is all for ***** and giggles anyways but why isn't it? It's OK, it can be attributed to him hitting his prime almost from the get go of his career.

Well, he's not even the quickest amongst the guys who started their career in 05-06, so...

 

[daver]

Well, he's not even the quickest amongst the guys who started their career in 05-06, so...

Who was quicker?

 

[Plural]

This is all for ***** and giggles anyways but why isn't it? It's OK, it can be attributed to him hitting his prime almost from the get go of his career.

Orr.

 

[daver]

Orr.

Sure, guess I was limiting it to forwards.

 

[Plural]

Sure, guess I was limiting it to forwards.

Forwards alone, it probably is right among the most impressive. Probably should take bit more of a look at it. But Crosby hit the ground running and hasn't really stopped.

As someone said earlier, there might be more impressive 200-500 stretches (or similar). But from game one, Crosby is probablu among the absolute best and maybe the best outside of Lemieux/Gretz.

I'm on my phone now so I can't really check the list more carefully. But I would think that we can find several stretches that are more impressive. But none of them are from game one. I know Beliveau took some time to get going. But he probably has pretty marvelous stretch after he got going.

 

[CDN24]

Lalonde was perhaps one of the best players in the early days of hockey. He did become a great player.

He averaged better than a goal a game in his career. Not sure if anyone else on this list can make that claim to fame

 

[Son Goku]

Gretzkys dominance is just ridiculous. Without a doubt the GOAT. What I find really impressive below the top tier of guys, are guys like Crosby and Lindros, especially Crosby considering his consistency. He stays top five in almost everything.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Forwards alone, it probably is right among the most impressive. Probably should take bit more of a look at it. But Crosby hit the ground running and hasn't really stopped.

As someone said earlier, there might be more impressive 200-500 stretches (or similar). But from game one, Crosby is probablu among the absolute best and maybe the best outside of Lemieux/Gretz.

I'm on my phone now so I can't really check the list more carefully. But I would think that we can find several stretches that are more impressive. But none of them are from game one. I know Beliveau took some time to get going. But he probably has pretty marvelous stretch after he got going.

Acknowledging, of course, that Lindros was faster than Crosby to 100, 300, 400, 500, and 600...

 

[Plural]

Acknowledging, of course, that Lindros was faster than Crosby to 100, 300, 400, 500, and 600...

Lindros is one of the names who is in the conversation with Crosby. I can't really decide whic one was better. But just like everything else, this list needs context. I don't see a huge difference in scoring environments between Lindros and Crosby. So one could argue that Eric was more impressive than Crosby. I probably would even agree with it. Probably.

 

[daver]

Acknowledging, of course, that Lindros was faster than Crosby to 100, 300, 400, 500, and 600...

He did play in an easier environment for scoring as shown by how many players were able to hit 100 pts or a PPG in their seasons leading up to 600 points. It's not hugely different but enough I think to push Crosby ahead.

 

[Plural]

He did play in an easier environment for scoring as shown by how many players were able to hit 100 pts or a PPG in their seasons leading up to 600 points. It's not hugely different but enough I think to push Crosby ahead.

Crosby does have more impressive PPG finishes from the start of their careers:

6th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th opposed to Lindros'
N/A, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd but Lindros had to face Lemieux (and Gretzky but he was older already).

Also the fact that Lindros was better goal-scorer might come in to play for some.

In the end, it's probably close enough to make the decision a pure judgement call.

 

[daver]

Crosby does have more impressive PPG finishes from the start of their careers:

6th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th opposed to Lindros'
N/A, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd but Lindros had to face Lemieux (and Gretzky but he was older already).

Also the fact that Lindros was better goal-scorer might come in to play for some.

In the end, it's probably close enough to make the decision a pure judgement call.

Here are the number of players who were a PPG or better of the Top 50 scorers in each their first seven seasons:


Lindros (92-99) vs. Crosby (05-12)

Year 1 - 48 vs. 29 Advantage Crosby
Year 2 - 37 vs. 27 Advantage Crosby
Year 3 - 27 vs. 23 Tie
Year 4 - 38 vs. 20 Advantage Crosby
Year 5 - 23 vs. 21 Tie
Year 6 - 15 vs. 13 Tie
Year 7 - 14 vs. 8 Advantage Crosby


Based on this, I don't think there is a single milestone (e.g. fastest to 100, 200, etc..) that Lindros was more impressive. Add in that Crosby was a year younger when he started and hit each milestone in a shorter amount of time and it's more impressive.

 

[Namba 17]

Vujtek, thank you! Absolutely great idea! Great project! Very interesting results.

 

[BraveCanadian]

In the end, it's probably close enough to make the decision a pure judgement call.

The fact that Lindros is that close in production makes it an easy call for me considering what a physical menace he was as well.

He dominated the game.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

He did play in an easier environment for scoring as shown by how many players were able to hit 100 pts or a PPG in their seasons leading up to 600 points. It's not hugely different but enough I think to push Crosby ahead.

Instead of obfuscating the issue with numbers of players doing this that or the other thing, how about just posting the league scoring levels for comparison?

Add in that Crosby was a year younger when he started and hit each milestone in a shorter amount of time and it's more impressive.

Bolded part didn't happen, btw. It was Lindros who was first to 100, 300, 400, 500, and 600.

 

[daver]

Instead of obfuscating the issue with numbers of players doing this that or the other thing, how about just posting the league scoring levels for comparison?

How are those numbers obfuscating?

And why would introducing the scoring numbers of 500 or so more players be less obfuscating?