Fabian Zetterlund traded to Ottawa

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If you're saying $3 m/year on a one or two year term, then Zetterlund is going to have produce more in his remaining games this season. Unless he does this, there will be many other viable options you’d think for next year.

I’ve been patient, and haven’t given up hope, but I’d wonder if his runway with the Senators isn't getting shorter?

The point I am making is that he is arbitration eligible, so it isn't the Senators choice. If they qualify him, they will have to give him an offer that is comparable to what he might get through arbitration or else he will just go to arbitration and get it.

If they don't qualify him, he will get 3M from someone as an unrestricted free agent.

Assuming he doesn't produce down the stretch for Ottawa, his lack of production probably cost him millions, but people throwing out numbers like 2 years 1.5 are completely out of touch with the market. Best case scenario for Ottawa in arbitration is probably mid 2 millions, and that's a complete homerun. Then you see how Staios handled free agency last year, he wanted everything done early. It wouldn't surprise me to see something like a 2-3 year extension at mid-3's. With the idea being, Staios clearly likes the player and his poor start in Ottawa gives them a chance to lock him down for millions less in dollars and term than it would have taken a month ago.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He finds lot's of opportunities and seems to have a decent shot and release. No finish.
He is a shooter
He works
without the resume from the past 2 years he'd look like a good callup ready to breakout ..
I guess we have to stay patient

if his play drops at all I would not hesitate to put T7 with Stu and G and put Amadio with Pinto and Greig

 

[Tuna99]

He plays like Alfie’s son. Tons of heart, he wants it, just not a natural feel for the game.

Love the hustle

An asset strapped team doesn't give up Ostapchuk and a 2nd unless they're prepared to sign the guy. The acquisition cost tells us that they view him as at least a medium-term piece, if not part of the core going forward. I don't see any chance they walk away from him.

The Tolvanen contract looks like a good comparable.

Yes they want him, but they aren’t paying him for what he was in SJ or the potential fans see in him, they are going to pay him for his roll on this team which is a depth winger who isn’t a top 6 so he won’t get Tolvanne money because that dude had a good playoffs and he pay is largely based on that.

I think fans have overvalued Zetterlund because of the excitement of a Swedish winger with a frame like that and such a giant face and they are overvaluing his contract too.

I don’t think he makes more then $2.75 on 1 or two years but let’s see - a really good playoffs could change that number for him up or down

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

He plays like Alfie’s son. Tons of heart, he wants it, just not a natural feel for the game.

Love the hustle


Yes they want him, but they aren’t paying him for what he was in SJ or the potential fans see in him, they are going to pay him for his roll on this team which is a depth winger who isn’t a top 6 so he won’t get Tolvanne money because that dude had a good playoffs and he pay is largely based on that.

I think fans have overvalued Zetterlund because of the excitement of a Swedish winger with a frame like that and such a giant face and they are overvaluing his contract too.

I don’t think he makes more then $2.75 on 1 or two years but let’s see - a really good playoffs could change that number for him up or down

2.75M on a 1 year is on the low end of a reasonable expectation.

I don't think many are suggesting that he should be paid for his San Jose production after this run on Ottawa failed to produce at a similar rate (so far). If he produce like he did on San Jose on a non-basement team, he would be looking at 5M to 6M long term when you consider his physicality and the direction the cap is going in.

The best situation for both side is probably a 3 year deal. It goes Ottawa some cost certainty. It gives both sides stability where the Sens aren't going to have to think about shipping him out next year to recoup assets. It also allows the player to cash in and still be young enough to hit a homerun in 2-3 years when they are still young and the cap will approach 120M.

Just like he may not be a 25 goal scorer here, he also isn't going to have 0 goals 10 points or whatever he is pacing for now. Nobody is scoring the last few games, and everybody can see him getting chances since he has been put in a scoring role.

If he signs 3 years at say 3.75M, that's not even UFA third line winger money these days. It would buy up 2 ARB RFA years and 1 UFA year.

Based on how Staios prioritized getting things done early last offseason, unless Zetterlund's side is unwilling to work with them, I don't see this dragging out. There is a fair deal to be made, but I think some of the expectations (not yours) are completely out of line with the market, and not reflective of what the Senators would be anchored against which is what the player would expect to get from an arbitrator or what they would expect to get on the open market if the Sens try to leverage their right not to qualify him.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He plays like Alfie’s son. Tons of heart, he wants it, just not a natural feel for the game.

Love the hustle


Yes they want him, but they aren’t paying him for what he was in SJ or the potential fans see in him, they are going to pay him for his roll on this team which is a depth winger who isn’t a top 6 so he won’t get Tolvanne money because that dude had a good playoffs and he pay is largely based on that.

I think fans have overvalued Zetterlund because of the excitement of a Swedish winger with a frame like that and such a giant face and they are overvaluing his contract too.

I don’t think he makes more then $2.75 on 1 or two years but let’s see - a really good playoffs could change that number for him up or down

I think if he files for arbitration, it will be definitely be higher.

 

[Micklebot]

Trent Frederick agreed to 2.3 x 2 prior to arbitration (32 pts pace)
McLeod 2.1 x 2 (33 pts pace)

That was two years ago and Zetterlund has better production than either guy.

Last year Veleno agreed to 2.275 x 2 coming off a 28 pts season

The cap has sky rocketed from No chance we are getting Zetterlund for 2.5-2.75, even with his poor production since coming to Ottawa, he's still pacing at 40 pts. I can't see him getting anything less than 3 mil on a 1 year deal.

 

[ottawagm]

Hope it's closer to $2.5 million and not too long. He still has way too much to prove before getting paid.

2x2.5M and then he'll be a UFA. Good for both sides.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Besides my obvious overall displeasure with this player, I think it will be absolutely fascinating to see what type of contract he gets and how much Staios will be willing to give him. Apparently the Sharks tried to resign him, they received the numbers from Claude Lemieux (Zetterlund’s agent) and then they traded him. Grier is looking like a genius right now.

What number are people comfortable giving him?

I don't know about that last part.

The prices at this year's deadline were insane. 3rd liners like Laughton and Coyle with some term were able to garner multiple quality pieces.

To get a 25 year old upcoming RFA with 36 points in 64 games for only Ostapchuk and a 2nd in that environment was very tidy work by Staios, even if Zetterlund hasn't blown the doors off so far.

Not like Ostapchuk has done anything post-trade with 0 points in 7 games for the Sharks, although to be fair he shouldn't be playing in the NHL right now.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I've really liked him so far, lack of production be damned.

He is strong, hustles hard, gets open quite well, definitely has a shot that he can score with... haven't seen much playmaking, but he doesn't waste pucks either, he is just a cycle-heavy player right now.

Will he ever be a super consistent producer, maybe not, but I can totally see him scoring in bunches while doing lots of little things well when he isn't. He is also still young and the details of his game will continue to improve. Clearly he is dedicated and he plays the game in the style that we have been trying to cultivate behind Brady for years now. I think he can grow into a David Perron-type player, and that would be an awesome player to have through his prime years.

 

[jbeck5]

I think if he files for arbitration, it will be definitely be higher.

Not sure why an arbitrator wouldn't look at his production and role on his team going forward.

Producing on a second line in the past on a weak team doesn't mean you'll produce on a better team on the third line.

The sens would push his production on Ottawa being way more relevant to his production and role going forward which is what he'll be paid for.

It just logically doesn't make sense to pay someone for a role that no longer exists when they're in a position where they'll no longer produce those numbers.

Surely, these things have to weighted and discussed.

 

[jbeck5]

I've really liked him so far, lack of production be damned.

He is strong, hustles hard, gets open quite well, definitely has a shot that he can score with... haven't seen much playmaking, but he doesn't waste pucks either, he is just a cycle-heavy player right now.

Will he ever be a super consistent producer, maybe not, but I can totally see him scoring in bunches while doing lots of little things well when he isn't. He is also still young and the details of his game will continue to improve. Clearly he is dedicated and he plays the game in the style that we have been trying to cultivate behind Brady for years now. I think he can grow into a David Perron-type player, and that would be an awesome player to have through his prime years.

I still don't necessarily see the strength aspect...I argued a week or two ago that I didn't see it..

And then for a game or two, I noticed him push guys off the puck and keep possession going and thought "now that's what people are talking about" only to see him get pushed off the puck multiple times by guys that are lighter and thinner...

At 220, zetterlund weighs 10 pounds more than Chris Pronger lol...and while being 7 inches shorter, you would think he's immensely stronger...but obviously not.

I see Ridley Greig at 188 pounds hit harder and look stronger out there in scrums or down low around the net.

I still see zetterlund falling over all the time...he crashed the net and I believe Clifton put up a cross check that sent him back...Clifton weighs 195. Why isn't he bulling through that?

Tkachuk weighs 225...I don't see him getting knocked over and pushed around.

Is the 220 on zetterlund fat or is he actually a really strong dude? Why isn't it translating on the ice like other strong 220 pound guys who bull through smaller players???

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I've really liked him so far, lack of production be damned.

He is strong, hustles hard, gets open quite well, definitely has a shot that he can score with... haven't seen much playmaking, but he doesn't waste pucks either, he is just a cycle-heavy player right now.

Will he ever be a super consistent producer, maybe not, but I can totally see him scoring in bunches while doing lots of little things well when he isn't. He is also still young and the details of his game will continue to improve. Clearly he is dedicated and he plays the game in the style that we have been trying to cultivate behind Brady for years now. I think he can grow into a David Perron-type player, and that would be an awesome player to have through his prime years.

He's also a very fast player which is important.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Not sure why an arbitrator wouldn't look at his production and role on his team going forward.

Producing on a second line in the past on a weak team doesn't mean you'll produce on a better team on the third line.

The sens would push his production on Ottawa being way more relevant to his production and role going forward which is what he'll be paid for.

It just logically doesn't make sense to pay someone for a role that no longer exists when they're in a position where they'll no longer produce those numbers.

Surely, these things have to weighted and discussed.

They’ll be considered, as will his last 2 years. He’s getting around 3.5ish on a 2 year bridge imo,

Also need to look at comparables, like arbitrators do.

 

[jbeck5]

They’ll be considered, as will his last 2 years. He’s getting around 3.5ish on a 2 year bridge imo,

Also need to look at comparables, like arbitrators do.

Comparables of people who can't produce on a third line?

Him producing on a second line is irrelevant if he's on a third line and not getting second line time.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Comparables of people who can't produce on a third line?

Him producing on a second line is irrelevant if he's on a third line and not getting second line time.

What do you think an arbitrator awards him then?

 

[Micklebot]

Comparables of people who can't produce on a third line?

Him producing on a second line is irrelevant if he's on a third line and not getting second line time.

There are very specific rules for what can be considered in arbitration. it's in the CBA. I don't think you can look at lines, but you could look at icetime since it's an official stat. That's why you never go to arbitration with a kid playing on McDavid's line.,.

(A) the overall performance, including National Hockey League official statistics (both offensive and defensive), of the Player in the previous season or seasons;
(B) the number of games played by the Player, his injuries or illnesses during the preceding seasons;
(C) the length of service of the Player in the League and/or with the Club;
(D) the overall contribution of the Player to the competitive success or failure of his Club in the preceding season;
(E) any special qualities of leadership or public appeal not inconsistent with the fulfillment of his responsibilities as a playing member of his team;
(F) the overall performance in the previous season or seasons of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the party Player whose salary is in dispute; and
(G) The compensation of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the party Player, provided, however, that in applying this or any of the above subparagraphs, the Salary Arbitrator shall not consider a Player(s) to be comparable to the party Player unless a party to the salary arbitration has contended that the Player(s) is comparable; nor shall the Salary Arbitrator consider the compensation or performance of a Player(s) unless a party to the salary arbitration has contended that the Player(s) is comparable.

 

[Big Muddy]

The point I am making is that he is arbitration eligible, so it isn't the Senators choice. If they qualify him, they will have to give him an offer that is comparable to what he might get through arbitration or else he will just go to arbitration and get it.

If they don't qualify him, he will get 3M from someone as an unrestricted free agent.

Assuming he doesn't produce down the stretch for Ottawa, his lack of production probably cost him millions, but people throwing out numbers like 2 years 1.5 are completely out of touch with the market. Best case scenario for Ottawa in arbitration is probably mid 2 millions, and that's a complete homerun. Then you see how Staios handled free agency last year, he wanted everything done early. It wouldn't surprise me to see something like a 2-3 year extension at mid-3's. With the idea being, Staios clearly likes the player and his poor start in Ottawa gives them a chance to lock him down for millions less in dollars and term than it would have taken a month ago.

I get what you were saying, and I agree. The only thing I was adding that was different from what you said is that I think he needs to play better if he wants a $3 + m contract from Ottawa. Of course, Staois is the one that will decide, not me. So, I’m merely offering my opinion. People can lean more towards what would be good for Ottawa versus market dynamics or conditions. I agree with you there as well.

 

[Big Muddy]

I really doubt that anything Staois has seen so far will change the team's evaluation of the player. He's played six games of significance, and has been all around it in those games. They clearly like him and his fit, and the fact that he hasn't converted yet on one of his many chances isn't likely to change that.

You may be right. I offered my “opinion” which is what we do around here. I hope Zetterlund starts producing more.

 

[jbeck5]

What do you think an arbitrator awards him then?

I dunno. I would be better to answer that question in the summer after we have his final production numbers.

If he puts up 10 points in the last 8 games or something, surely that changes things compared to if he puts up zero more points and keeps playing.

 

[jbeck5]

There are very specific rules for what can be considered in arbitration. it's in the CBA. I don't think you can look at lines, but you could look at icetime since it's an official stat. That's why you never go to arbitration with a kid playing on McDavid's line.,.

(A) the overall performance, including National Hockey League official statistics (both offensive and defensive), of the Player in the previous season or seasons;
(B) the number of games played by the Player, his injuries or illnesses during the preceding seasons;
(C) the length of service of the Player in the League and/or with the Club;
(D) the overall contribution of the Player to the competitive success or failure of his Club in the preceding season;
(E) any special qualities of leadership or public appeal not inconsistent with the fulfillment of his responsibilities as a playing member of his team;
(F) the overall performance in the previous season or seasons of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the party Player whose salary is in dispute; and
(G) The compensation of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the party Player, provided, however, that in applying this or any of the above subparagraphs, the Salary Arbitrator shall not consider a Player(s) to be comparable to the party Player unless a party to the salary arbitration has contended that the Player(s) is comparable; nor shall the Salary Arbitrator consider the compensation or performance of a Player(s) unless a party to the salary arbitration has contended that the Player(s) is comparable.

If he's being signed to play for the Ottawa Senators, surely his Ottawa numbers should carry weight over his San Jose numbers. San Jose isn't the one paying him to play for them. Ottawa is..what's his production in Ottawa?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I don't know about that last part.

The prices at this year's deadline were insane. 3rd liners like Laughton and Coyle with some term were able to garner multiple quality pieces.

To get a 25 year old upcoming RFA with 36 points in 64 games for only Ostapchuk and a 2nd in that environment was very tidy work by Staios, even if Zetterlund hasn't blown the doors off so far.

Not like Ostapchuk has done anything post-trade with 0 points in 7 games for the Sharks, although to be fair he shouldn't be playing in the NHL right now.

Seriously when Lindgren and Dumoulin even if retained which is still above $1.1 mill in cap hit went for a 2nd, we absolutely would have gotten some sort of mid or late pick for Hamonic if he didn't have an NMC. Veteran RHD with intangibles is something every playoff team wants as a 7th D if their top 6 is set well.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Seriously when Lindgren and Dumoulin even if retained which is still above $1.1 mill in cap hit went for a 2nd, we absolutely would have gotten some sort of mid or late pick for Hamonic if he didn't have an NMC. Veteran RHD with intangibles is something every playoff team wants as a 7th D if their top 6 is set well.

Dumoulin also returned Herman Traff, a 3rd round pick last year that is progressing well.

Devils gave up about as much for him as we did for Zetterlund.

 

[aragorn]

Zetterlund has done absolutely nothing to garner a raise, in fact he has underperformed & that trade is looking worse each game. I don't see him being a better replacement for anyone in the top nine & he has sucked on the 4th line, where does he fit in? This team needs to improve their 4th line, but I don't see where he is a better fit on any line.

 

[Tuna99]

Zetterlund has done absolutely nothing to garner a raise, in fact he has underperformed & that trade is looking worse each game. I don't see him being a better replacement for anyone in the top nine & he has sucked on the 4th line, where does he fit in? This team needs to improve their 4th line, but I don't see where he is a better fit on any line.

He is a blond Swede, we’ve seen what the blond Swedes can do with that right shot.

If he has a big playoffs which is where this is headed it could be a fun ride. Couple big playoff goals and some blond hair could become the new night mayor

 

[DylanSensFan]

Zetterlund has done absolutely nothing to garner a raise, in fact he has underperformed & that trade is looking worse each game. I don't see him being a better replacement for anyone in the top nine & he has sucked on the 4th line, where does he fit in? This team needs to improve their 4th line, but I don't see where he is a better fit on any line.

I think you need to look forward, rather than back. Reality is, Giroux hasn't re-signed. He could choose to go to free agency. We needed someone with some offensive upside to replace his possible loss. Giroux is also slowing down significantly. He won't be top-line material for many more seasons, if at all. When we got Cousins and Amadio, they were supposed to play on the third and fourth lines. Zetterlund is good in all facets of the game and has major offensive upside when compared to players like Amadio, Cousins and even Perron. We need him here and he needs to be integrated into one of the top two lines. Zetterlund is going to score, he's already proved that in San Jose. The real point is, in the last two games he has looked like one of the best players on the ice back checking and in forechecking. He's young, has huge upside, is a horse on the ice and hard on pucks.

Zetterlund is literally your style of player. I am not sure why you're complaining about him so hard.