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Fabian Zetterlund traded to Ottawa

bert said:
You've come to this conclusion this quickly?... he has played what 3 or 4 games away from the 4th line. Two of which he had 5 shots. I think you need more patience.
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I like the package but he hasn’t found a fit. Playing with Stuztle isn’t the easiest as well because you never know when or where you’ll get the puck, I just don’t think his forecheck is up to the standard of top 6 on a Travis Green playoff team. I think he can play up there with the top lines, I just don’t think he’s full time yet and he won’t even be a full time top 6 next year. No insult, just don’t think he’s developed into an impact yet on a winning team
 
Burrowsaurus said:
Well relatively great. He led in shots and scoring opportunities and had a few great forechecks and held people off on the cycle.

Needs to score
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He had 1 great shift where he cut inside on Karlsson and ripped a shot on the rush.. and moments later was fed in the slot where he ripped another shot.
two very good scoring chances on one shift.

The rest of his game was good
 
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I think it will be absolutely fascinating to see what type of contract he gets and how much Staios will be willing to give him. Apparently the Sharks tried to resign him, they received the numbers from Claude Lemieux (Zetterlund’s agent) and then they traded him. Grier is looking like a genius right now.

What number are people comfortable giving him? How many years?

With the cap going up this might be a very difficult negotiation.

37 points in 76 games, most of it playing PP1 and top line minutes.

Some comparables in terms of points this season:

Vladislav Namestnikov (2M)
Evgeni Dadonov (2.25M)
Brett Howden (1.9M)
Jack Roslovic (2.8M)
Eeli Tolvanen (3.45M)
Kiefer Sherwood (1.5M)
Bobby McMann (1.35M)

What are we looking at 2.5M for 1 year?
 
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I don't see where this guy is better than the nine we have had playing in the top nine, Tkachuk, Stutzle, Giroux, Perron, Cozens, Batherson, Greig, Pinto & Amadio. I assume that he will replace one of Giroux, Perron or Amadio after next season, but it's concerning since he has yet to show anything of any consequence. We definitely need an upgrade on the 4th line, but he's not a 4th line player & serves no role or purpose that the team needs on the 4th line. IMO he might be a 3rd line player at best, but he needs to produce something to push Amadio out. This is a results based business & so far no results to speak of. Maybe they should try him on the PK with Amadio to see if he can do something useful.
 
Boud said:
I think it will be absolutely fascinating to see what type of contract he gets and how much Staios will be willing to give him. Apparently the Sharks tried to resign him, they received the numbers from Claude Lemieux (Zetterlund’s agent) and then they traded him. Grier is looking like a genius right now.

What number are people comfortable giving him? How many years?

With the cap going up this might be a very difficult negotiation.

37 points in 76 games, most of it playing PP1 and top line minutes.

Some comparables in terms of points this season:

Vladislav Namestnikov (2M)
Evgeni Dadonov (2.25M)
Brett Howden (1.9M)
Jack Roslovic (2.8M)
Eeli Tolvanen (3.45M)
Kiefer Sherwood (1.5M)
Bobby McMann (1.35M)

What are we looking at 2.5M for 1 year?
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There is still lots of hockey to be played, and he is getting chances.

He is arbitration eligible, so the ceiling on a 1 or 2 year deal is whatever the walk-away number is set at and you work down from there. That number will be about 5 million.

A lot of those names you listed don't seem like close comparable contracts. Look at someone like Kirill Marchenko who had a similar resume to Zetterlund production wise and just signed for 3 x 3.85M. Marchenko blew up this year, but I'm referring to the two years prior to the contract as a comparable.

2-3 years at 3M-4M is probably the wheelhouse right now because anything less incentivizes Zetterlund to go to arbitration. There is zero chance an arbitrator is giving him most of the numbers you listed there for those players who haven't produced like Zetterlund has. Would he get below 3M? It's possible. But it's also possible that he gets north of 3M.

At the end of the day if the Senators wouldn't sign him to a short term 3M-4M type contract, then he isn't getting qualified, because that's what he has a reasonable chance of getting in arbitration and they won't be able to walk away from it.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
There is still lots of hockey to be played, and he is getting chances.

He is arbitration eligible, so the ceiling on a 1 or 2 year deal is whatever the walk-away number is set at and you work down from there. That number will be about 5 million.

A lot of those names you listed don't seem like close comparable contracts. Look at someone like Kirill Marchenko who had a similar resume to Zetterlund production wise and just signed for 3 x 3.85M. Marchenko blew up this year, but I'm referring to the two years prior to the contract as a comparable.

2-3 years at 3M-4M is probably the wheelhouse right now because anything less incentivizes Zetterlund to go to arbitration. There is zero chance an arbitrator is giving him most of the numbers you listed there for those players who haven't produced like Zetterlund has. Would he get below 3M? It's possible. But it's also possible that he gets north of 3M.

At the end of the day if the Senators wouldn't sign him to a short term 3M-4M type contract, then he isn't getting qualified, because that's what he has a reasonable chance of getting in arbitration and they won't be able to walk away from it.
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No way this guy gets Shane Pinto money. He’ll be around $2.5 or they won’t sign him

Sens don’t pay for potential anymore.
 
Tuna99 said:
No way this guy gets Shane Pinto money. He’ll be around $2.5 or they won’t sign him

Sens don’t pay for potential anymore.
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Pinto was a non-arb RFA. It's not directly comparable. The cap is also shooting up over the next two years.

An example of a forward who actually went to arbitration and was awarded something from an arbitrator, Kurashev in Chicago two years ago. He got 2 years at 2.25M.

Here are his stats leading up to that.

2020-21 CHI 54 8 8 16 13:05 -9 0.123 12
2021-22 CHI 67 6 15 21 12:51 -16 0.070 12
2022-23 CHI 70 9 16 25 17:25 -32 0.078 14

Here are Zetterlund's stats.

2021-22 NJD 14 3 5 8 13:21 5 0.083 0
2022-23 NJD 45 6 14 20 12:57 4 0.074 6
2022-23 SJS 22 0 3 3 13:53 -10 0.000 8
2023-24 SJS 82 24 20 44 18:51 -34 0.118 33
2024-25 SJS 64 17 19 36 16:59 8 0.121 10
2024-25 OTT 11 0 1 1 12:46 -1 0.000 4

The point is that if they qualify him, it seems unlikely that he is getting much less than 3M on a 1 or 2 year deal because the player can take the team to arbitration and reasonably expect to get something around there.
 
Still need to find a goal scoring winger at this year's free agency.
In my mind Perron replaces Giroux on the second line
Zetterlund replaces Perron on the third line

We still need a top-6 winger similar to a Toffoli who can score and cost 5-6M (Giroux price point)
 
Adele Dazeem said:
Still need to find a goal scoring winger at this year's free agency.
In my mind Perron replaces Giroux on the second line
Zetterlund replaces Perron on the third line

We still need a top-6 winger similar to a Toffoli who can score and cost 5-6M (Giroux price point)
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Perron on our second line next year means we're doomed. He's good in little stretches here and there, but doesn't have the legs to keep up and produce over 82 games.

Here's his points per game the last few years:

20-21: 1.04
21-22: 0.85
22-23: 0.68
23-24: 0.62
24-25: 0.39

You can't pencil that into your top 6 on a playoff team.

He needs to be a third liner at best. I'd expect a ~0.33 ppg next year...somewhere around 20-25 points over 60-70 games.

Not a top 6. Someone you put with a couple young guys on your third line as the grandpa and then you can put him on pp2 or put him up a line for short stints....but even then, might want someone with speed and potential.
 
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I have been patiently waiting & watching. Hopefully he’ll elevate and be much better than what I’ve seen “mostly” so far. He may have greater potential, but so far, it's not been too evident.
 
Zetterlund was a 3rd rd draft pick, maybe people are expecting way too much from him & because he played on a shitty team in SJ he did better than he is. He gets up & down the ice well, he's not terrible defensively, might be able to play on the PK, but the rest of his game is just meh ... I don't see what people were so giddy about? Both Highmore & Gaudette are showing more on a 4th line, they at least hit occasionally & I want to replace both.

He loses puck battles with bigger players, he doesn't seem to have a hard shot at the net, most are crest shots & he doesn't seem to be a playmaker, he's suppose to be an offensive player & has one assist in 13 games. He's not replacing Giroux or Perron anytime soon & I doubt he is good enough to replace Amadio right now & he showed nothing on the 4th line, I don't know what we have with this guy.
 
Tuna99 said:
No way this guy gets Shane Pinto money. He’ll be around $2.5 or they won’t sign him

Sens don’t pay for potential anymore.
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An asset strapped team doesn't give up Ostapchuk and a 2nd unless they're prepared to sign the guy. The acquisition cost tells us that they view him as at least a medium-term piece, if not part of the core going forward. I don't see any chance they walk away from him.

The Tolvanen contract looks like a good comparable.
 
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aragorn said:
Zetterlund was a 3rd rd draft pick, maybe people are expecting way too much from him & because he played on a shitty team in SJ he did better than he is. He gets up & down the ice well, he's not terrible defensively, might be able to play on the PK, but the rest of his game is just meh ... I don't see what people were so giddy about? Both Highmore & Gaudette are showing more on a 4th line, they at least hit occasionally & I want to replace both.

He loses puck battles with bigger players, he doesn't seem to have a hard shot at the net, most are crest shots & he doesn't seem to be a playmaker, he's suppose to be an offensive player & has one assist in 13 games. He's not replacing Giroux or Perron anytime soon & I doubt he is good enough to replace Amadio right now & he showed nothing on the 4th line, I don't know what we have with this guy.
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Was expecting an elite shot and a few goals by now.
By the price paid likely expectation is a 25-30 goal scorer. Less than that is a disappointment.
 
Senator Stanley said:
An asset strapped team doesn't give up Ostapchuk and a 2nd unless they're prepared to sign the guy. The acquisition cost tells us that they view him as at least a medium-term piece, if not part of the core going forward.
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At the moment that looks like a huge overpayment adding the 2nd, it seems Staois was taken in that deal.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Pinto was a non-arb RFA. It's not directly comparable. The cap is also shooting up over the next two years.

An example of a forward who actually went to arbitration and was awarded something from an arbitrator, Kurashev in Chicago two years ago. He got 2 years at 2.25M.

Here are his stats leading up to that.

2020-21 CHI 54 8 8 16 13:05 -9 0.123 12
2021-22 CHI 67 6 15 21 12:51 -16 0.070 12
2022-23 CHI 70 9 16 25 17:25 -32 0.078 14

Here are Zetterlund's stats.

2021-22 NJD 14 3 5 8 13:21 5 0.083 0
2022-23 NJD 45 6 14 20 12:57 4 0.074 6
2022-23 SJS 22 0 3 3 13:53 -10 0.000 8
2023-24 SJS 82 24 20 44 18:51 -34 0.118 33
2024-25 SJS 64 17 19 36 16:59 8 0.121 10
2024-25 OTT 11 0 1 1 12:46 -1 0.000 4

The point is that if they qualify him, it seems unlikely that he is getting much less than 3M on a 1 or 2 year deal because the player can take the team to arbitration and reasonably expect to get something around there.
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If you're saying $3 m/year on a one or two year term, then Zetterlund is going to have produce more in his remaining games this season. Unless he does this, there will be many other viable options you’d think for next year.

I’ve been patient, and haven’t given up hope, but I’d wonder if his runway with the Senators isn't getting shorter?
 
jbeck5 said:
Perron on our second line next year means we're doomed. He's good in little stretches here and there, but doesn't have the legs to keep up and produce over 82 games.

Here's his points per game the last few years:

20-21: 1.04
21-22: 0.85
22-23: 0.68
23-24: 0.62
24-25: 0.39

You can't pencil that into your top 6 on a playoff team.

He needs to be a third liner at best. I'd expect a ~0.33 ppg next year...somewhere around 20-25 points over 60-70 games.

Not a top 6. Someone you put with a couple young guys on your third line as the grandpa and then you can put him on pp2 or put him up a line for short stints....but even then, might want someone with speed and potential.
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Hope it's closer to $2.5 million and not too long. He still has way too much to prove before getting paid.
 
Big Muddy said:
If you're saying $3 m/year on a one or two year term, then Zetterlund is going to have produce more in his remaining games this season. Unless he does this, there will be many other viable options you’d think for next year.

I’ve been patient, and haven’t given up hope, but I’d wonder if his runway with the Senators isn't getting shorter?
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I really doubt that anything Staois has seen so far will change the team's evaluation of the player. He's played six games of significance, and has been all around it in those games. They clearly like him and his fit, and the fact that he hasn't converted yet on one of his many chances isn't likely to change that.
 
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