News Article: Fabbro on waivers

[nine_inch_fang]

Yeah I like Fabbro and think he will impress pretty well in a complimentary role in Columbus much like Tolvanen has been pretty good for the Kraken, but at the end of the day they aren't game breaking players or anything. I think it's more just seeing yet another high draft pick fall by the wayside while we've been stuck in mediocrity for years. It's hard for me to even get excited about our prospect pool anymore since it seems like fait accompli that they will all just wash out or get traded before they reach UFA status.

This is the way I felt and still feel about Tolvanen but I think people are short selling Fabbro.

Like I said before, time could prove me wrong but I think Fabbro will make Trotz regret this much more than Poile regrets Tolvanen.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

This is the way I felt and still feel about Tolvanen but I think people are short selling Fabbro.

Like I said before, time could prove me wrong but I think Fabbro will make Trotz regret this much more than Poile regrets Tolvanen.

I don't think either of them regret now or ever will regret those moves, because those players were already dead to them no matter what. Unfortunately. But I guess even a #4/5 vanilla kind of RD like Fabbro is intrinsically a more valuable player around the league than a vanilla 15-20 goal winger. So I can agree with Fabbro being slightly > Tolvanen, assuming he really is what we think he is.

 

[Softball99]

This is the way I felt and still feel about Tolvanen but I think people are short selling Fabbro.

Like I said before, time could prove me wrong but I think Fabbro will make Trotz regret this much more than Poile regrets Tolvanen.

I hope Werenski wins a Norris partnered with Dante' ....Toews light

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Tolvanen was kind of on fire after Seattle claimed him... well... also after a lengthy layoff before they started using him... but once they did put him in the lineup he got 16 goals in 48 games. And had a pretty good playoff. He hasn't really been THAT good since? Anyway, I wonder what kind of timeline will be involved in getting Fabbro untracked in Columbus? It would be sweet if he jumped straight in and was successful immediately. But maybe that is too much of an ask?

Longer term I wonder how he'll fit in there... once Gudbranson comes back, they have him and Severson both signed next year, plus Jiricek coming along... Ceulemans seems to be busting... hopefully Fabbro can hold onto a spot for the long haul. Or at least play well enough to get a UFA payday.

 

[glenngineer]

Losing both Fabbro and Tolvanen for nothing is unacceptable. Were they lighting the league on fire no. Were they better pieces than what we had or have in the lineup at the time they were waived, absolutely. People saying, they weren't that much better so it's ok. Sorry, if they were better and made the team better and we squeezed a couple of more wins out of this team, then that's a net plus.

We complain we don't have a great middle 6. Tolvanen would've fit in nicely. He became a responsible 200-foot player with some physicality. He put up 41 points last year and while he hasn't gotten off to a great start this year, I'd still take his 5 points in limited action to Smith's 2 points. Keeping a guy around who can score .5 ppg is a lot better than keeping guys around who score .25 ppg.

In the case of Fabbro, he's a better player than Schenn and while I get the veteran leadership and the mitts Schenn can bring to the lineup, bring back Jeannot if that's what you feel you need. Having a lumbering defenseman back there does nothing to help the team yet we spend all this time developing Fabbro to let him walk? Maybe he didn't show enough piss and vinegar in his game for the coaches. This begs the question, if you're re-signing him to the contract you did only to waive him this early in the season, was he a backup plan in case we couldn't resign Carrier? If that's the case, once again, just dumb. While I like Carrier to some degree, he gets destroyed in the playoffs because he lacks size and teams eat him alive. Heck, even Lauzon lost his edge last year entering the playoffs. (Could've been hurt, which is my guess)

So why oh why do we continue to ice undersized defensemen when you need better, larger size guys for when you do make the playoffs? Maybe in writing this we were right in dropping Fabbro because he's not that much larger than Carrier.

 

[Viqsi]

Tolvanen was kind of on fire after Seattle claimed him... well... also after a lengthy layoff before they started using him... but once they did put him in the lineup he got 16 goals in 48 games. And had a pretty good playoff. He hasn't really been THAT good since? Anyway, I wonder what kind of timeline will be involved in getting Fabbro untracked in Columbus? It would be sweet if he jumped straight in and was successful immediately. But maybe that is too much of an ask?

Longer term I wonder how he'll fit in there... once Gudbranson comes back, they have him and Severson both signed next year, plus Jiricek coming along... Ceulemans seems to be busting... hopefully Fabbro can hold onto a spot for the long haul. Or at least play well enough to get a UFA payday.

He'll apparently be playing tonight against Seattle, so we may get some early data in that regard. Dunno yet where in the lineup.

 

[101st_fan]

A very generic comment from Brian Poile. Nothing from Daugherty yet.

 

[herzausstein]

Hopefully fabbro gets a fresh start and can revitalize his career. He wasnt gonna get that opportunity here under bruno

 

[Kat Predator]

The thing that's a killer with waiving any first round pick and losing them for nothing is the net loss in opportunity costs. It's just a massive waste of finite resources, any way you cut it.

Do they fit the plan in general? Like is there a 4-5 year roadmap that management is using? If there is no roadmap or we're drafting guys based on hype rather than where they project, we're idiots. And there is the wasted opportunity of missing on a guy like Lundell to take someone who doesn't figure into the actual plan, like Askarov.

Could they have been traded earlier for another player that does fit the plan? This is sort of the no-harm, no-foul route. Drafting a kid you don't really want or need, but moving that prospect quickly and for maximum return. In the cases under discussion, we blew those opportunities completely by giving away players for nothing.

Replacement costs. Were they really unusable and provided negative value? Tolvanen has proven he is not a liability with the correct expectation, as I felt he would. We'll see with Dante. But losing them for nothing means more resources have to be shoveled into the furnace to replace them and without any guarantee that will be instant improvement vs. more waste.

On the other hand, we did have a change in management and that is often accompanied by digging a bigger hole in the sports world. The new guys take their honeymoon period to flush as much of the last regime's work as they can, burn things to the ground, and show how smart they are. Honestly, that fails more often than not, but owners like being told what they want to hear.

 

[sparkle twin]

I just hope someone on the Columbus board will continue to use "Fabbrolous" if Fabbro scores.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I just hope someone on the Columbus board will continue to use "Fabbrolous" if Fabbro scores.

Effing Fabbro needs to continue also.

 

[herzausstein]

Effing Fabbro needs to continue also.

Yes, he must get the blame no matter what

 

[Kat Predator]

He started on the top pairing with Werenski.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

The thing that's a killer with waiving any first round pick and losing them for nothing is the net loss in opportunity costs. It's just a massive waste of finite resources, any way you cut it.

Do they fit the plan in general? Like is there a 4-5 year roadmap that management is using? If there is no roadmap or we're drafting guys based on hype rather than where they project, we're idiots. And there is the wasted opportunity of missing on a guy like Lundell to take someone who doesn't figure into the actual plan, like Askarov.

Could they have been traded earlier for another player that does fit the plan? This is sort of the no-harm, no-foul route. Drafting a kid you don't really want or need, but moving that prospect quickly and for maximum return. In the cases under discussion, we blew those opportunities completely by giving away players for nothing.

Replacement costs. Were they really unusable and provided negative value? Tolvanen has proven he is not a liability with the correct expectation, as I felt he would. We'll see with Dante. But losing them for nothing means more resources have to be shoveled into the furnace to replace them and without any guarantee that will be instant improvement vs. more waste.

On the other hand, we did have a change in management and that is often accompanied by digging a bigger hole in the sports world. The new guys take their honeymoon period to flush as much of the last regime's work as they can, burn things to the ground, and show how smart they are. Honestly, that fails more often than not, but owners like being told what they want to hear.

There was a 5 year plan, but Brian Poile was in charge of faxing it to the rest of the staff

 

[Armourboy]

The thing that's a killer with waiving any first round pick and losing them for nothing is the net loss in opportunity costs. It's just a massive waste of finite resources, any way you cut it.

Do they fit the plan in general? Like is there a 4-5 year roadmap that management is using? If there is no roadmap or we're drafting guys based on hype rather than where they project, we're idiots. And there is the wasted opportunity of missing on a guy like Lundell to take someone who doesn't figure into the actual plan, like Askarov.

Could they have been traded earlier for another player that does fit the plan? This is sort of the no-harm, no-foul route. Drafting a kid you don't really want or need, but moving that prospect quickly and for maximum return. In the cases under discussion, we blew those opportunities completely by giving away players for nothing.

Replacement costs. Were they really unusable and provided negative value? Tolvanen has proven he is not a liability with the correct expectation, as I felt he would. We'll see with Dante. But losing them for nothing means more resources have to be shoveled into the furnace to replace them and without any guarantee that will be instant improvement vs. more waste.

On the other hand, we did have a change in management and that is often accompanied by digging a bigger hole in the sports world. The new guys take their honeymoon period to flush as much of the last regime's work as they can, burn things to the ground, and show how smart they are. Honestly, that fails more often than not, but owners like being told what they want to hear.

I think a big part of this is due to Trotz taking over. I've always felt that Poile never had any plans of signing Saros to a long term deal unless Askarov completely flamed out. Saros was always viewed as the stop gap.

I think Trotz is going to need to learn like Poile eventually would that sometimes things don't line up but you gotta take that gamble on a guy. That's more or less what he did with Jones/RyJo and it dang near worked. Same thing with Weber/Subban. We also saw it with him giving longer term deals to guys like Ekholm before they had really put it all together and that paid off big.

I also think a big lesson he needs to learn is that sometimes you just aren't going to get the value for a guy you think you should. That doesn't mean you should take every low ball offer out there, but if you have a guy you are about to waive you get whatever you can, even if its just a 6th round pick. Its a long shot but a 6th is a still a shot which is better than no shot at all.

 

[wmupreds]

I think a big part of this is due to Trotz taking over. I've always felt that Poile never had any plans of signing Saros to a long term deal unless Askarov completely flamed out. Saros was always viewed as the stop gap.

I think Trotz is going to need to learn like Poile eventually would that sometimes things don't line up but you gotta take that gamble on a guy. That's more or less what he did with Jones/RyJo and it dang near worked. Same thing with Weber/Subban. We also saw it with him giving longer term deals to guys like Ekholm before they had really put it all together and that paid off big.

I also think a big lesson he needs to learn is that sometimes you just aren't going to get the value for a guy you think you should. That doesn't mean you should take every low ball offer out there, but if you have a guy you are about to waive you get whatever you can, even if its just a 6th round pick. Its a long shot but a 6th is a still a shot which is better than no shot at all.

My guess is they figured a shot at keeping him was better than a low pick. Probably thinking $2.5M was a high enough cap hit that teams wouldn't bite.

 

[Armourboy]

My guess is they figured a shot at keeping him was better than a low pick. Probably thinking $2.5M was a high enough cap hit that teams wouldn't bite.

Then once again, need to learn the market. No one in, around, a fan of, or even casually glancing thought Fabbro would make it through waivers. The fact Trotz would even think he had a shot would be pants on head stupid. There are way too many teams looking for a RHD to even get close to that conclusion. 2.5 million is fairly easy to fit, just about every team has a guy they CAN get through waivers that will save them most of that if they need too. Now if he was making 4.5 million that might be a different deal.

 

[wmupreds]

Then once again, need to learn the market. No one in, around, a fan of, or even casually glancing thought Fabbro would make it through waivers. The fact Trotz would even think he had a shot would be pants on head stupid. There are way too many teams looking for a RHD to even get close to that conclusion. 2.5 million is fairly easy to fit, just about every team has a guy they CAN get through waivers that will save them most of that if they need too. Now if he was making 4.5 million that might be a different deal.

I don't disagree. That's just the only tiny bit of logic I can figure they used.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

If they wanted him to go to Milwaukee to help "regain confidence" or "find his game" or whatever, they could have used a Conditioning Loan to give him 2 weeks down there anyway. I don't think they had any interest whatsoever in keeping him in the organization, and are happy he was picked up.

I doubt Trotz cared about trying to maximize any pick value return either... waiting until the TDL when Fabbro's Cap hit would be down and maybe demand would be up was something he could have done if he just wanted to try to get some form of draft pick back. I expect he thinks he has plenty of draft picks and doesn't need any more of them... with the stockpile the Preds have accumulated in the last few years, there may not be contracts and spots in Milwaukee for everybody coming in the next little while anyway, so I doubt he is interested in hoarding more late picks. Which is a little shortsighted, because they do still have tangible asset value even for trade-ups and whatnot.

Plus... money is real. I guess if you are a team whose outlook might be changing over from "mini-Contender" hopes to "lottery pick" reality... then $2.5M in real money that you don't have to spend is $2.5M in real money you might as well save. Trotz has been throwing a lot of money around with his buyouts/retentions and big front-loads on free agent signings. Paying a guy $2.5M to sit in the pressbox probably doesn't look great as an extra little bit on top of all that profligate spending.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

If they wanted him to go to Milwaukee to help "regain confidence" or "find his game" or whatever, they could have used a Conditioning Loan to give him 2 weeks down there anyway. I don't think they had any interest whatsoever in keeping him in the organization, and are happy he was picked up.

I doubt Trotz cared about trying to maximize any pick value return either... waiting until the TDL when Fabbro's Cap hit would be down and maybe demand would be up was something he could have done if he just wanted to try to get some form of draft pick back. I expect he thinks he has plenty of draft picks and doesn't need any more of them... with the stockpile the Preds have accumulated in the last few years, there may not be contracts and spots in Milwaukee for everybody coming in the next little while anyway, so I doubt he is interested in hoarding more late picks. Which is a little shortsighted, because they do still have tangible asset value even for trade-ups and whatnot.

Plus... money is real. I guess if you are a team whose outlook might be changing over from "mini-Contender" hopes to "lottery pick" reality... then $2.5M in real money that you don't have to spend is $2.5M in real money you might as well save. Trotz has been throwing a lot of money around with his buyouts/retentions and big front-loads on free agent signings. Paying a guy $2.5M to sit in the pressbox probably doesn't look great as an extra little bit on top of all that profligate spending.

I guess to your point, they are accumulating cap at a much faster rate now moving towards the deadline...now if that cap is even needed based on current trajectory is a different conversation.

 

[Armourboy]

If they wanted him to go to Milwaukee to help "regain confidence" or "find his game" or whatever, they could have used a Conditioning Loan to give him 2 weeks down there anyway. I don't think they had any interest whatsoever in keeping him in the organization, and are happy he was picked up.

I doubt Trotz cared about trying to maximize any pick value return either... waiting until the TDL when Fabbro's Cap hit would be down and maybe demand would be up was something he could have done if he just wanted to try to get some form of draft pick back. I expect he thinks he has plenty of draft picks and doesn't need any more of them... with the stockpile the Preds have accumulated in the last few years, there may not be contracts and spots in Milwaukee for everybody coming in the next little while anyway, so I doubt he is interested in hoarding more late picks. Which is a little shortsighted, because they do still have tangible asset value even for trade-ups and whatnot.

Plus... money is real. I guess if you are a team whose outlook might be changing over from "mini-Contender" hopes to "lottery pick" reality... then $2.5M in real money that you don't have to spend is $2.5M in real money you might as well save. Trotz has been throwing a lot of money around with his buyouts/retentions and big front-loads on free agent signings. Paying a guy $2.5M to sit in the pressbox probably doesn't look great as an extra little bit on top of all that profligate spending.

The having enough picks thing would just be insanely short sighted, if nothing else you can combine them and use them to move up.

If you trade him you still save the money, no one said you gotta wait to the trade deadline to maximize return. We've already got the GM that grabbed him saying he wanted him, just not for what Trotz was asking. Even if it's a 7th it's something.

 

[ShagDaddy]

The having enough picks thing would just be insanely short sighted, if nothing else you can combine them and use them to move up.

If you trade him you still save the money, no one said you gotta wait to the trade deadline to maximize return. We've already got the GM that grabbed him saying he wanted him, just not for what Trotz was asking. Even if it's a 7th it's something.

Maybe Trotz reads HFboards when it comes to the trade value of his players.

 

[101st_fan]

"I am proud of what we have created from a media standpoint and the level of transparency and candor we share and show. I am hard pressed to name a team that does it more constantly and often than we do but in saying that know we can always be better. Individual player moves are always unique based on what move was made, when and why. Often the move is obvious, and sometimes it is not. Based on the level of inquisitiveness by the media or the expected level we gauge our information up and down.

Dante played for us right out of college, filled many roles on our D-core, and always did it well. Add to it that he played more than three hundred games for us, was incredible in supporting the community, his teammates and was one of my favorite people to have in SMASHVILLE and it makes the separation hard. Player transactions are the worst part of our jobs and are never easy regardless of how they appear from the outside. I am happy The Blue Jackets claimed him as I am fond of their organization and city and think it will be a good spot for him with a nice role on the ice!

From Bruno to Barry to me to all in our organization we wish him nothing but the best and hope he thrives with the Jackets. He will always be a big part of SMASHVILLE and our team, once a Pred always a Pred.

Again, thanks for your passion, support, observations, and critiques. The relationship we enjoy and the feedback we receive with and from the community and our fanbase allows us to always evolve how we do things" - Sean Henry


When our media fails to engage the leadership, fans must.

 

[Armourboy]

Maybe Trotz reads HFboards when it comes to the trade value of his players.

Well unless it was from someone I have on ignore Fabbro is the one guy I haven't really seen overvalued too bad. I think most people figured a 3rd, so even if that's a bit high you still aren't off too bad.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

"I am proud of what we have created from a media standpoint and the level of transparency and candor we share and show. I am hard pressed to name a team that does it more constantly and often than we do but in saying that know we can always be better. Individual player moves are always unique based on what move was made, when and why. Often the move is obvious, and sometimes it is not. Based on the level of inquisitiveness by the media or the expected level we gauge our information up and down.

Dante played for us right out of college, filled many roles on our D-core, and always did it well. Add to it that he played more than three hundred games for us, was incredible in supporting the community, his teammates and was one of my favorite people to have in SMASHVILLE and it makes the separation hard. Player transactions are the worst part of our jobs and are never easy regardless of how they appear from the outside. I am happy The Blue Jackets claimed him as I am fond of their organization and city and think it will be a good spot for him with a nice role on the ice!

From Bruno to Barry to me to all in our organization we wish him nothing but the best and hope he thrives with the Jackets. He will always be a big part of SMASHVILLE and our team, once a Pred always a Pred.

Again, thanks for your passion, support, observations, and critiques. The relationship we enjoy and the feedback we receive with and from the community and our fanbase allows us to always evolve how we do things" - Sean Henry


When our media fails to engage the leadership, fans must.

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