GDT: FA Frenzy Day 3 and beyond (where does Nino go)

[Sigurd]

Yeah, I'm all for pursuing Tkachuk. 24 year old star forward that produces a lot of points? He'll have the most expensive contract on the team for years to come if we do somehow get him, but you know what? Those kind of players are hard to get and are worth working the salary around if you feel like they're a safe investment. It'd be nice if he took a little bit of a pay cut for us since we are a cup contender that pushes to the salary cap.

I'm personally tired of star players going for bottom feeders or playoff bubble teams at best all because they offer the most money (although I guess lucky us in those cases). If you're gonna make say 7.5 million dollars with a cup contender (I'm talking in general and not about Tkachuk specifically), versus 9 million for a team that's questionable at best to even making the play offs over the next few years (or perhaps a round 1 exit team if they're lucky), it sounds like the cup contender would be a more productive and enjoyable team. When you're making several millions of dollars regardless of where you play, don't you want to achieve the ultimate goal on a sports team by winning a championship instead of taking a bigger gamble with the worse team? Of course, some states are a lot more appealing with taxes, and that's a huge economic factor in their salaries.

I'll probably have someone to disagree with me, but as has been already said in this topic, players need to take a pay cut (even if it's just 500k-1 million) in the salary cap era if they want a championship tier team. Toronto is a good example IMO of having a few players being paid astronomically and the rest of the roster suffers; even with their historically bad pattern of round 1 exits, etc. and basically being the annual laughing stock of the league.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If you think you can sign the guy long term, you'd be a fool not to move both of those guys for him.

The organization seems to be extremely high on both of them. Their contracts will fit in beautifully with providing quality depth at ELC prices. Even with Morrow and Drury, other teams are going to have better offers than us.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

If you think you can sign the guy long term, you'd be a fool not to move both of those guys for him.

Both of those guys… and Necas… and a 1st or 2.

 

[MinJaBen]

The organization seems to be extremely high on both of them. Their contracts will fit in beautifully with providing quality depth at ELC prices. Even with Morrow and Drury, other teams are going to have better offers than us.

Other teams can certainly put together a better package, but would they? They will be asking themselves the same questions about prospect quality and need and where the club sits in the "window".

A lot of clubs could have offered Vegas more for Patches, but they didn't.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Other teams can certainly put together a better package, but would they? They will be asking themselves the same questions about prospect quality and need and where the club sits in the "window".

A lot of clubs could have offered Vegas more for Patches, but they didn't.

NJ would be an easy yes to include folks. Their cap structure can afford it despite the weird signings they have done. them constantly getting top 5 picks helps that endeavor.

 

[MinJaBen]

Both of those guys… and Necas… and a 1st or 2.

I'd offer Necas, unprotected 1st next year, and Morrow as an opening. Three very good pieces for a guy that they "know they can't resign"*.





*I say that in that it is assumed that is the only reason they would make him availabe.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Both of those guys… and Necas… and a 1st or 2.

That's definitely the rough value it would take. I would prefer to swap out Morrow with different picks/prospects though since we are heavier on forward prospects and Morrow contributing will be hugely important for our defense cap structure in a few years. Big fan of Drury but he's more replaceable for us than Morrow in my opinion.

 

[ndp]

As much as I would love Tkachuk on the Hurricanes, if I’m the FO I’d be willing to help them free up a little space by taking one of them Swedish defensemen off their hands…

 

[WreckingCrew]

All this talk of getting Tkachuk seems pretty far out there...the team just lost JG to UFA, they're not letting Tkachuk go unless he's completely forcing his way out. Even then they're going to want an immediate, near-replacement top 6W like Svetch/Jarvis...I don't think any amount of Necas++ is going to cut it.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

All this talk of getting Tkachuk seems pretty far out there...the team just lost JG to UFA, they're not letting Tkachuk go unless he's completely forcing his way out. Even then they're going to want an immediate, near-replacement top 6W like Svetch/Jarvis...I don't think any amount of Necas++ is going to cut it.

It's not happening but it's fun to talk about - Days 2 and 3 of FA have been very boring compared to Day 1, it's what we do this time of year.

Calgary will re-sign him. If he forces his way out, it's probably for St. Louis. Or Ottawa (could you imagine).

 

[NotOpie]

These small things can end up being huge difference makers, and players (agents) trying to squeeze every last cent out of a contract is the fastest way to ruin a teams depth potential.

Player yes, agents....not a chance in hell. I'd be willing to bet that, in some cases, players would take lower salaries but are talked out of it by their f***ing agent.

It's one thing I fear with Aho, and Pesce are they going to chase $$$ or are they willing to leave a little on the table and allow the Hurricanes to ice a perennial contender?

Aho's next contract is going to be in the $10 - $11 million range. And if we don't get out of the 2nd round, I'm not sure there'd be any money that would keep him here. Right now he's all in on winning a cup....on second thought, perhaps he does leave $500,000 or so on the table to do or keep doing just that.

It would be a very risky move as there is a real chance he only wants to play in St. Louis and would force is way out via his QO. But I would have to strongly consider it.

The only way I make the trade for Tkuchuk is if it comes with an extension. Otherwise, there's no need to make the trade for 1 year.

Both of those guys… and Necas… and a 1st or 2.

See above, you don't mortgage your future for 1 year of a guy.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

paying Aho as much money as Barkov would be disappointing. Pay him 1C money but he isnt a 10 million dollar guy.

 

[SlavinAway]

paying Aho as much money as Barkov would be disappointing. Pay him 1C money but he is a 10 million dollar guy.

Personally I'm hoping Aho plays his way into a $10-11+m contract over the next two years.

 

[Ole Gil]

Personally I'm hoping Aho plays his way into a $10-11+m contract over the next two years.

That would be huge for the Canes. But Aho seems like he should be at the end of his development at this point. He'll be 25 with 6 full years of nhl hockey. I think he's more an 8.5m player than a 10m.

But if he makes another little jump, that'd be stupendous.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

See above, you don't mortgage your future for 1 year of a guy.

The post I responded to literally said "if we think we can extend him."

That would be huge for the Canes. But Aho seems like he should be at the end of his development at this point. He'll be 25 with 6 full years of nhl hockey. I think he's more an 8.5m player than a 10m.

But if he makes another little jump, that'd be stupendous.

But, with the cap rising and Aho hitting UFA, that "$8.5m" become $10m pretty quickly. I agree he's not at Barkov's level, but $10m might be the going rate for Aho-level players in 2 years. Josh Norris just got $8m, and that was as an RFA.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

A lot of clubs could have offered Vegas more for Patches, but they didn't.

That’s because our front office are geniuses, and others aren’t.

 

[Lempo]

paying Aho as much money as Barkov would be disappointing. Pay him 1C money but he isnt a 10 million dollar guy.

About Barkov, he left money on the table in his post-ELC contract of 6 x $5.9M* and it's only proper that he recovered some in this follow-up contract with FLA.

* The bastard Ekblad then went and snatched what Barkov had left.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

About Barkov, he left money on the table in his post-ELC contract of 6 x $5.9M* and it's only proper that he recovered some in this follow-up contract with FLA.

* The bastard Ekblad then went and snatched what Barkov had left.

i think Barkov is worth his current deal. Excellent 2 way guy, strong scorer, etc. I think he is better than Aho. Im saying paying Aho more for than a better player would be disappointing.

 

[ndp]

paying Aho as much money as Barkov would be disappointing. Pay him 1C money but he isnt a 10 million dollar guy.

It’s a tough situation. He’s a top 15 center in the league imo, #30 in points last season overall, plays in all situations. I think his attitude and drive to win fit right in with the Hurricanes MO. Some of the guys I would have ranked higher than him have a better supporting cast as well. I think if Svech takes another step in production we’ll see Aho’s point totals increase just by proxie. Aho also screams longevity to me, he’s outpacing Zetterburg and Bergeron at the same point in their careers. I would consider both of those guys franchise centers.

Those type of guys are hard to acquire either through trade or FA, and loosing him without a homegrown replacement lined up would be a huge setback.

I’d be comfortable with them giving him $9.5-10.5M max contract with the cap going up. I don’t think you could replace or upgrade for the same money.

 

[NotOpie]

paying Aho as much money as Barkov would be disappointing. Pay him 1C money but he isnt a 10 million dollar guy.

Barkov's been in the league for 9 years; Aho has been in the league for 6 years. If you look at Barkov's 1st 6 years from an offensive standpoint, he put up 345 points in 413 games. Aho put up 401 points in 445 games. Barkov has scored at a 68.5 point per season pace; Aho has scored at a 73.9 point per season pace. No doubt Barkov is the better defensive player and is slightly better at the dot. But to say that Sebastian Aho isn't a $10 million #1 center is, in my opinion, underselling him....and I'll bet right now he'll get and actually earn a contract closer to what I'm predicting (unless he gives a bit of a hometown discount, which he might if we're continuous contenders).

 

[Lempo]

i think Barkov is worth his current deal. Excellent 2 way guy, strong scorer, etc. I think he is better than Aho. Im saying paying Aho more for than a better player would be disappointing.

Yes on all accounts. I mentioned it as a further consideration when comparing the UFA contracts of Barkov and Aho, I should've made it more clear.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Barkov's been in the league for 9 years; Aho has been in the league for 6 years. If you look at Barkov's 1st 6 years from an offensive standpoint, he put up 345 points in 413 games. Aho put up 401 points in 445 games. Barkov has scored at a 68.5 point per season pace; Aho has scored at a 73.9 point per season pace. No doubt Barkov is the better defensive player and is slightly better at the dot. But to say that Sebastian Aho isn't a $10 million #1 center is, in my opinion, underselling him....and I'll bet right now he'll get and actually earn a contract closer to what I'm predicting (unless he gives a bit of a hometown discount, which he might if we're continuous contenders).

are we trying to compare the early Barkov years' Florida teams with the early Aho years' Carolina teams? Barkov on our early Aho year teams and i think we are talking about 100 more points for Barkov during those 6 years.

 

[ndp]

If Aho was willing sign on the dotted line for $10x8 today I would do that in a heartbeat.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If Aho was willing sign on the dotted line for $10x8 today I would do that in a heartbeat.

we have to wait until next July.

 

[NotOpie]

are we trying to compare the early Barkov years' Florida teams with the early Aho years' Carolina teams? Barkov on our early Aho year teams and i think we are talking about 100 more points for Barkov during those 6 years.

No, we're trying to compare players based on their respective performances. So let's use a somewhat more objective measure of offensive performance....goals. Barkov scored 135 goals in his 1st 6 years; Aho scored 182. Let's look at playoff performance....Barkov has scored 6 goals and 21 points in 26 games. Aho has scored 18 goals and 46 points in 48 games. How about possession metrics? Barkov has a CF% of 56.3 and a relative Corsi of 7.4. Aho has a CF% of 60.1 and a relative Corsi of 8.3.

Net that out and I think it's hard to argue that Aho is worth less than Barkov.