F Rutger McGroarty - WBS Penguins, AHL (2022, 14th, WPG; traded to PIT)

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I find it very interesting how much better Nazar is faring so far this season in pro hockey despite being solidly behind Rutger on every depth chart (Michigan, WJC) and producing less at those lower levels as well

I guess some tools can really separate players once they reach the pros
 

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I find it very interesting how much better Nazar is faring so far this season in pro hockey despite being solidly behind Rutger on every depth chart (Michigan, WJC) and producing less at those lower levels as well

I guess some tools can really separate players once they reach the pros
Or you're putting a lot into a small sample of games.

Compare their preseasons (a higher level of hockey), and it's drastically in favor of McGroarty. Nazar had a terrible preseason with the Hawks. Playing as poorly as he did was probably the only way he could've missed the Hawks NHL team. McGroarty had one of the best preseasons in the NHL. Made the NHL team because of it.

Almost like hockey (and sports) goes through random spells where results show up and others where they don't, and it's stupid to make a lot of like 5-10 games here or there for any player.
 
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Or you're putting a lot into a small sample of games.

Compare their preseasons (a higher level of hockey), and it's drastically in favor of McGroarty. Nazar had a terrible preseason with the Hawks. Playing as poorly as he did was probably the only way he could've missed the Hawks NHL team. McGroarty had one of the best preseasons in the NHL. Made the NHL team because of it.

Almost like hockey (and sports) goes through random spells where results show up and others where they don't, and it's stupid to make a lot of like 5-10 games here or there for any player.
“You’re putting too much into a small sample size!!!”

“If you look at the small sample size I like, the preseason, or as most people refer to it “not real hockey” mcgroarty looks like a beast. Also preseason is a higher level of hockey than regular season AHL, cause of reasons.”

Insightful as always pavel!
 

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I am not a Jets fan and I never cared in the least about Rutger McGroarty before all of this. But he deemed himself special and forced his way off of a team after they selected him in the draft, despite proving nothing. He thought that he should be gifted a spot on a team that is currently 1st in the league. He forced his way off of a well-managed franchise (not some hell hole like Buffalo or Columbus, where his career might stagnate).

That is a helluva window into a guy's character, and a perfectly legitimate reason to want to see him fail. So I stand with the masses, cheering on his hubris-induced failures.
Didn’t force his way out of anywhere, he never signed in Winnipeg. Surprised there are people who still need this explained to them
 

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“You’re putting too much into a small sample size!!!”

“If you look at the small sample size I like, the preseason, or as most people refer to it “not real hockey” mcgroarty looks like a beast. Also preseason is a higher level of hockey than regular season AHL, cause of reasons.”

Insightful as always pavel!
You twisted my words for partisan gain.

Nowhere did I advocate for that type of rhetoric. I said you could easily turn it around.

The initial point on this topic wasn’t for me. I am not the one pushing for that type of comparison.

And you knew that.
 

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Didn’t force his way out of anywhere, he never signed in Winnipeg. Surprised there are people who still need this explained to them

Here’s the relevant quote from Mr mcgroarty hisself:

““My agents talked to them, and then I talked to them,” McGroarty told reporters. “I wanted to be upfront and honest with them, and just tell them that I wasn't going to be signing with them,” McGroarty said. “I got nothing but respect for those guys, they handled it with a lot of class, and I wish them nothing but the best.””

Relevant video on the class quote.

 
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You twisted my words for partisan gain.

Nowhere did I advocate for that type of rhetoric. I said you could easily turn it around.

The initial point on this topic wasn’t for me. I am not the one pushing for that type of comparison.

And you knew that.
None of that makes your post more insightful pavel.

I transparently quoted your complete post in my response. People can read both your content and my obviously satirical post and make their own minds up.

Keep up the content pave! It’s amazingly entertaining ,even if not insightful.
 

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None of that makes your post more insightful pavel.

I transparently quoted your complete post in my response. People can read both your content and my obviously satirical post and make their own minds up.

Keep up the content pave! It’s amazingly entertaining ,even if not insightful.
Of course my post is insightful.

I’m showing how silly it is to make a comparison based on a small sample of games. You compare based on one set, one player looks much better. The second set, the other does. How does any of that logically compute? It doesn’t and that’s why small samples of games are not a good way to compare players.

Plenty insightful. You may just not understand the very tough logic behind that.
 

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Of course my post is insightful.

I’m showing how silly it is to make a comparison based on a small sample of games. You compare based on one set, one player looks much better. The second set, the other does. How does any of that logically compute? It doesn’t and that’s why small samples of games are not a good way to compare players.

Plenty insightful. You may just not understand the very tough logic behind that.
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pavel, I want to let you know I have nothing but respect for you, you’ve handled this back and forth with a lot of class.
 
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Here’s the relevant quote from Mr mcgroarty hisself:

““My agents talked to them, and then I talked to them,” McGroarty told reporters. “I wanted to be upfront and honest with them, and just tell them that I wasn't going to be signing with them,” McGroarty said. “I got nothing but respect for those guys, they handled it with a lot of class, and I wish them nothing but the best.””

Relevant video on the class quote.


What does that have to do with anything? If anything it proves my point. He never forced his way out because he never signed in the first place.
 
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How has his skating looked at AHL level? The clip of him getting himself into his spot on the PP to rip that goal looked like a bit of a clunky stride.
I'm........sorry (?) that you're going through *waves hands around* this...

But to answer the question directly without referencing playing minor leaguers in the preseason and all this other noise...his skating has been - fine-ish - in the AHL. Obviously, that's a different pace than regular season NHL, so he doesn't look quite as far behind in the A. The thing about him isn't just skating. Being a great skater doesn't directly translate to anything by itself, of course. It's all part of a larger package of skills. Similarly, McGroarty needs to put a couple of pieces together to work within the frame work of his athletic/skating package.

I guess, said another way, even if he becomes an above average skater, even if he stops catching passes with the weight on the center of his blades hindering his explosivity, etc. it won't make much of a difference unless there's more to his game that he can build around. Translatable skills.

So, to answer your question...skating is good enough at the AHL level. Top speed and explosivity don't just happen (and the latter likely won't). The lacking explosivity is probably an element of what you're seeing that makes it "clunky"...but there's a core strength issue in there too I think still...at least, I hope that's what it is.
 

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Nazar’s production compared to McGroarty’s in college is mainly because Nazar got no power play time. It’s likely why he signed to get out of there.

He’s now killing it on the power play and penalty kill in Rockford, and is likely to get a call up should he keep it up.
 
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As a Pens Fan, I completely understand the Jets Fans and their joy watching him struggle. Lets be honest, every fanbase would react the same way.

On a hockey level, I am not concerned at all. These young guys need time. There once was a guy scoring 1 point in 55 games on his first NHL season. He has now over 900 games and 455 points in his career (Nino NIederreiter). It just takes time to figure things out, not everyone is ready at the same time.
 

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