Yeah probably goes NTDP but with the CHL agreement now it’s still up in the air I’m sure for a lot of players where as before it was like 100% they’re going NTDP. They’d be dumb not to atleast consider going the CHL route now with how many get drafted out of there every year.
There’s definitely some smoke between Rocco and BC. He visited campus a couple of weeks ago, he was trained by the late Tony Voce who is a Philly/BC guy, among other connections.
So like 5% more? Sure.
In fairness, the OHL and QMJHL haven’t had a chance to draft 09s yet, and WHL 09s were picked before the rule change occurred, meaning guys likely didn’t go to their preferred teams (if they were willing to go WHL with the rule change), so not sure we can draw many conclusions yet.
No he isn’t. Rocco is a significantly better prospect and one of, if not the top American in his birth year.
Interesting. He was playing up a year at the time so that may have skewed my view of him at the time. Chris, who’s an ‘06 and a Bruins pick from last year, was very highly regarded back then.
Not yet obviously because the NCAA thing came after the start of the CHL season. This will be the first off season where kids can weigh their decisions.
Okay sure, I agree in general. Just speaking about Pelosi, which was the topic I was responding to, I don't think it's going to affect the odds much for him. If you want to talk about the random American kid that age in the future that is considering CHL vs. NTDP, I agree there's a better chance. TBD how high the chances, but we agree it's higher.
Gaudreaus another NJ/Philly connection to BC.
This is Rocco’s thread so I don’t want to derail it, but I do want to say that if there is an issue with Hagens not being the star of the show at BC, it’s really not anyone’s fault. Hagens just happened to walk onto a team with Leonard/Perreault already there, and they are arguably the two best players in college hockey who have been playing together for years. Very few teams have that kind of a situation, so a high-profile freshman naturally becomes the center of attention. Hagens also seems naturally deferential (not a slight; I like that he is a team player), which is unique to him and wouldn’t necessarily apply to all kids. BC will always have talented classes, but it’s unlikely that Casey Mutryn, Noah Davidson, or any of the other ‘08 forwards BC has committed are going to be Hobey contenders who have played together for years such that Rocco would have to take a back seat. He could easily step in and have the team built around him like you’re mentioning; I don’t think it’s a BC problem so much as it’s unique to this iteration of Leonard/Perreault/Hagens.
Wasn’t necessarily talking just about pelosi I was talking in general that out of 10 kids that were 100% USHL before maybe 3 of them (30% of them) Now will consider the league that has produced the likes of Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Eric Lindros, Sidney Crosby, Steve Yzerman, Connor McDavid just to name a few.
It's not to say it's been a disaster, but it hasn't really been ideal for him to pad his numbers. It doesn't seem like they treat him special or promote him any more than anyone else. All of that might be great for him becoming the best hockey player he can be that he plays for the best team and nothing is given to him and it's more competitive and he's not being force fed free points to boost his draft stock (the draft is a points contest essentially), but I do think when you're talking about marketing and all that Hagens marketing has suffered this year. He doesn't always play PP1, he doesn't always play first line, he's not given the free EN points (Leonard has like 6 EN goals, which of course has boosted his season and I think the team has like 12 EN goals or something like that and I don't think Hagens has even 1 EN point), and also they've played a crazy difficult schedule (which sounds good to get better, but maybe not to market your draft profile).
I don’t think you will see many of the top end 16 year Americans pass on the NTDP. If that is the case, with the 16 year olds left over that don’t make NTDP, how likely is it that they are going to be a major contributor and get a lot of ice time in the CHL as a 16 year old. Not very likely.
I dunno Chase Reid seems to be doing just fine this year.
Great for him but not every kid will be able to go to a bottom feeder.
I understand where you’re coming from re. wanting the top American prospects to be in the best position to succeed. I just dispute that there is anything inherent about BC that prevents that.
