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F Prokhor Poltapov - CSKA Moscow, KHL (2021, 33rd, BUF)

Breaking into one of the top KHL teams, such as CSKA Moscow, is difficult for a draft-eligible player. As a result, 17-year-old forward Prokhor Poltapov played just one KHL game this season. He got plenty of ice time in the Russian Junior League, the MHL. Poltapov scored 25 goals and 27 assists for 52 points in 61 games with Krasnaya Armiya Moskva. He also added two goals and an assist in six playoff games. Poltapov joined the Russian team at the IIHF Under-20 World Championships. He put up two goals and five assists for seven points in seven tournament games. Poltapov helped the Russian team to a silver medal.

In 2019-20 Poltapov scored eight goals and 12 points in 23 MHL games. He also put up three goals and seven points in three games in the Under-18 Russian league. Poltapov added five goals and nine points in 11 games in the Under-17 league. At the international level, Poltapov was part of the Russian team at the Under-17 World Hockey Challenge. He scored three goals and four assists for seven points in six tournament games. Poltapov helped the Russian team win the tournament and bring home the gold medal.

2021 NHL Draft #48: Prokhor Poltapov Scouting Report
 
LOL Buffalo. What an awful, awful pick. You pass up on Chibrikov and pick up a guy who is rather a 3rd rounder early in the 2nd?
 
Atas2000 said:
LOL Buffalo. What an awful, awful pick. You pass up on Chibrikov and pick up a guy who is rather a 3rd rounder early in the 2nd?
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Why? because the "not so expert" experts think he went too high?
 
DatDude44 said:
Why? because the "not so expert" experts think he went too high?
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Because he is clearly a different tier prospect. It's not about Poltapov being bad, it's about other prospects were available who are better.

It's even more puzzling for the fact that their other pick Kisakov was a solid one. Looks like they did scout Russia. But then they should have taken Chibrikov who is an upgrade over both Poltapov and Kisakov with the earlier pick and probably would be able to pick one of them with the later pick.
 
Atas2000 said:
Because he is clearly a different tier prospect. It's not about Poltapov being bad, it's about other prospects were available who are better.

It's even more puzzling for the fact that their other pick Kisakov was a solid one. Looks like they did scout Russia. But then they should have taken Chibrikov who is an upgrade over both Poltapov and Kisakov with the earlier pick and probably would be able to pick one of them with the later pick.
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Poltapov was a high risk high reward pick. U can’t say with absolute certainty that he’s worse than chibrikov.

we have a good 5-7 years to really find out
 
DatDude44 said:
Poltapov was a high risk high reward pick. U can’t say with absolute certainty that he’s worse than chibrikov.

we have a good 5-7 years to really find out
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I think I can. Especially as probably 99% of Russia's hockey community including all the pros would agree with me.

Of course prospects have development curves and even the strangest things happen, but on draft day Chibrikov would be a high risk high reward guy maybe in the top10. In the 2nd round he was how the hell is he still available type of guy. He has a much better chance of turning out a NHLer based on pure skill Poltapov will never have. The only "negative" of Chibrikov when comparing the two is size, but if the Sabres chose size over skill, then they missed the last decade in hockey or so.
 
Atas2000 said:
I think I can. Especially as probably 99% of Russia's hockey community including all the pros would agree with me.

Of course prospects have development curves and even the strangest things happen, but on draft day Chibrikov would be a high risk high reward guy maybe in the top10. In the 2nd round he was how the hell is he still available type of guy. He has a much better chance of turning out a NHLer based on pure skill Poltapov will never have. The only "negative" of Chibrikov when comparing the two is size, but if the Sabres chose size over skill, then they missed the last decade in hockey or so.
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Pretty sure the reason they took poltapov was based on his pure skill level itself.

Not that i disagree with what you're saying, but i've learned over time as have alot on these boards that at the end of the day, NHL teams who do way more homework on every prospect then any of us could even imagine, would have a better idea/reason as to why they made certain picks instead of consensus ones.

I also think nhl teams get in their own way alot trying to be too smart etc.... but that's for another discussion.
 
DatDude44 said:
Pretty sure the reason they took poltapov was based on his pure skill level itself.
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He is speedy, but has lower stick skill, vision and general understanding of the game than Chibrikov. Even if you look up his highlights it's almost always doing it all by himself. Poltapov rarely implements linemates in his game properly. Those were question marks about his game all along. He can make flashy plays at times dangling around a couple of opponents and scoring, but that's it. I've always had him a B-tier prospect good for a late 2nd or 3rd round pick, becuase there is no guarantee his game translates. Also he was outscored by 2022 draft class Yurov and Miroshnichenko for a reason at the U18-WJC.
 
Team Cozens said:
LOL, how exactly??
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The other poster claims right after the draft that Buffalo made a big mistake by taking Poltapov over Chibrikov, who he thought was the better prospect. No one challenges his opinion. Then in September after the early part of the season in Russia starts, someone decides to challenge his opinion but all that really comes out of that is an appeal to authority and the statement that we won't know for 5-7 years who will be better, which is stating the obvious when it comes to prospects just drafted. He stands firm in his opinion and offers reasons for why he thinks Chibrikov is the better prospect.

Now after both players have played a whole 4 games (!) this season you come in and say that the other poster's post-draft opinion is "looking like an awful take". This is ridiculous for 2 reasons, first being that you offer no reasoning whatsoever as to why Poltapov was a better choice. Nothing about who they are as players or what you see in Poltapov that makes you believe he's a better prospect. Second being that your choice of wording ("looking like") suggests that somehow the issue/debate has evolved in a significant way since the post-draft opinion he offered. Which it has not - 4 games is nothing and they aren't even playing in the same league. Which is what makes your take much worse than his could ever possibly be. It's sad that I even need to spell this out...
 
Extended with CSKA until the end of 2024/25.
 
Nikolajs Sillers said:
So not coming over in the near future then.
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Even if I don't like it. And even more I don't like to be the I told you so guy. He was a rather typical too high pick based on biased NHL scouting which hyped him up for quite some time before the draft so he got picked 33rd which is way too high for him. I would be okay with him going in the 3rd round as I wrote before the draft. Based on a more reserved evaluation it is the best option for him at this point to work on his game in Russia. There is a reason he was not on the camp list for the WJC.

And you need to deal with that NA obsession with "coming over". What does it bring you? Why are people so obsessed with it?
 
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