F Jeremy Wilmer- Quinnipiac Univ, NCAA (2021 undrafted)

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Jeremy has quietly had a good WHC-17 so far and has produced decent numbers too. 2 goals, 4 assists (all primary) 6 points.

George, I appreciate the updates, but Wilmer does not look like a high level player, in my opinion. I could end up being wrong about that, but I think @William H Bonney said the same thing. It appears as if the pre-NTDP hype for Wilmer exceeded his ability compared to his peers.

 

[BKarchitect]

Interesting that probably the two most exciting US forward prospects as midgets last year, Wilmer and Saganiuk, have not quite taken to the next level as well as some of their counterparts overall. Certainly not trying to diminish their talent level but as they are both very small, skilled based players - the step up hasn't been as natural as some of their peers who have both the same high end skill but more mature physical packages as well. This is probably where we need to be careful in not over-hyping midget and bantam stats because the true level of a prospect probably doesn't really start to come into view until the junior level.

 

[tealhockey]

Fellas it's November in their U17 season... the U17 teams usually don't have the level of success that some on this group have had this early, don't hit the other guys too hard just yet
Plus Wilmer is coming off injury.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Fellas it's November in their U17 season... the U17 teams usually don't have the level of success that some on this group have had this early, don't hit the other guys too hard just yet
Plus Wilmer is coming off injury.

I understand your point and agree with it, but I think you’d find that 90% of the evaluations on the NTDP in November of the U17 season is generally the same as June of the U18 season. Hughes, Turcotte, Caufield, Knight were all looked at as top level guys at this point. Boldy wasn’t far behind. Most people whiffed on Zegras due to the role he played. The one I personally whiffed on was York. At this point with the current U18 team, the big names were Kleven, Sanderson, Bordeleau, Smilanic, Peterson, Tuch. Is it much different now? We aren’t yet at the draft, but they’ve played a full season since. Maybe you might add Beniers to that group and subtract Peterson, but it’s largely the same group.

This isn’t to say Wilmer won’t follow a different trajectory than what we usually see. Maybe he will, but most of the evaluations now will be generally very similar to what they are in June of 2021.

 

[William H Bonney]

George, I appreciate the updates, but Wilmer does not look like a high level player, in my opinion. I could end up being wrong about that, but I think @William H Bonney said the same thing. It appears as if the pre-NTDP hype for Wilmer exceeded his ability compared to his peers.

This is the first I've seen of Wilmer as he was injured in the U17's USHL games I've seen. It's a small sample size, but I've seen all of the US games in this tournament sans a couple of periods, and I also don't see a high-level player at this point, at least in terms of professional potential. He's clearly got some great skill, which allows him to rack up some points, but he's been largely invisible for most of the games.

In these viewing he's kind of reminded me of Anthony Louis (NTDP '11-13), a small player that had high skill, but didn't have the rest of the package (beyond size) to be a top player/prospect such as Gaudreau, Kane, Keller, etc. who had it all but size. Louis had a pretty good NTDP and NCAA career, and has done well in the AHL thus far, but was never really a strong contender for the NHL. Wilmer certainly has shown the potential to replicate a similar trajectory, but I'm not sure there's much beyond that.

It's obviously really early, so things can change and I hope he proves my initial snap judgment wrong, but barring a huge growth spurt, Wilmer's going to need to show a lot more to be a worthwhile prospect.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

He's been decent for the U17 team, 8 goals, 9 assists, 17 points in 22 games (5 points in the USHL).

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Interesting that probably the two most exciting US forward prospects as midgets last year, Wilmer and Saganiuk, have not quite taken to the next level as well as some of their counterparts overall. Certainly not trying to diminish their talent level but as they are both very small, skilled based players - the step up hasn't been as natural as some of their peers who have both the same high end skill but more mature physical packages as well. This is probably where we need to be careful in not over-hyping midget and bantam stats because the true level of a prospect probably doesn't really start to come into view until the junior level.

I know I’m quoting you a number of months later, but for me there’s a difference between those two players. I have no idea about what made Saganiuk good. He’s so bland. I just don’t see many high level tools. I think Wilmer has a moderate amount of offensive talent and he works hard, but he’s so slight and does not skate particularly well. He has clear deficits that have made him lose some hype, but I can at least appreciate his ability. I don’t want to criticize the hype Saganiuk got before this season because I had no opinion on how valid it was, but at least right now there aren’t NHL tools there.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Scored 2 goals in game 1 of the season. Thou it was a 13-2 W.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I like his puck skills, playmaking, and sense. There's NHL offensive upside there. Skating isn't that good for a smaller player. 3rd-5th round range is how I'm going to peg it for now.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Bump.

A good start for the u18's, 5+3 in 6 games. Then nothing much for a while.

Now, in his last 8 games has scored nice 12 points (4 goals)
- 8 in 4 games, 12 in 7, went 0+0 in his last game vs Bowling Green

Season totals so far, 9 goals, 12 assists, 21 points, in 18 games.
- a bit streaky season so far, point & goal wisely.

His 9 goals and 21 points have come from 10 games, 8 x 0+0 games.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

3 Apples for Jeremy.

 

[JoshTessler]

Paul Zuk from my team at Smaht wrote this report on Wilmer. Check it out and hit him up on Twitter if you have any questions.

Scouting Report: Jeremy Wilmer - Smaht Scouting

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Paul Zuk from my team at Smaht wrote this report on Wilmer. Check it out and hit him up on Twitter if you have any questions.

Scouting Report: Jeremy Wilmer - Smaht Scouting

Thanks for sharing.

But i don't think he is 5 foot 7 thou.

When this thread was started, he was around 5 foot 5. ( 5 foot 4, or 5)
I saw a site about month ago, where he was listed at 5 foot 9.

Maybe in the middle, 5 foot 8?.

Besides his height, great read, great read. Thanks Paul.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

I think he is one of many that the recent USNTDP has made look worse what they are.

In last 8 games, 18 points. Wilmer is closing in 50 points.
46 points (1.50 ppg) for the 18 year old.
- 3rd in the USHL scoring (youngest of the trio; Halliday, Blake, Wilmer)

He is a late birthday, who went undrafted last year
Should be drafted this year.
- 2nd rounder (i'd take anyways)

By far the Storm best player this season.

tri-city storm game highlights - Google Search

 

[Artorius Horus T]

70 points already this season.
Has pace for about 100 points (95)

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Scoring tons of points, for quite some time now.
And has 12 points in his last 4 games.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Will be 18 for another 6 months or so.

 

[neelynugs]

i haven't seen wilmer this year, but wasn't really a huge fan last season. anyone seen him play recently?
the stats are the stats, would be interested in hearing from anyone that's seen him.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

I watched him a lot when he was playing USDP. He is an extremely talented player but lacks physical density. Things haven't changed. The question that arises for him is whether he can bring something to an offensive line in the NHL.

At worst, he will be professional in a European league or in AHL / ECHL as a technical center.

His first year in the NCAA will say more. It was obvious that he would dominate in the USHL.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

I watched him a lot when he was playing USDP. He is an extremely talented player but lacks physical density. Things haven't changed. The question that arises for him is whether he can bring something to an offensive line in the NHL.

At worst, he will be professional in a European league or in AHL / ECHL as a technical center.

His first year in the NCAA will say more. It was obvious that he would dominate in the USHL.

I disagree with your assessment, respect your opinion but i do not agree with it.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Is playing for a (pace for) 100 point season in the USHL this season
Jeremy is 18 until late August.

If someone does not draft him at all in this years draft (again)
all 32 teams should be ashamed.

I would take him in the 1st round for sure.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Leads the USHL in assists, points, ppg, 2nd in +/-,..
- his 80 penalty minutes ranks him 25th

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Wilmer has made Mitchell Miller the best offensive d-man in the entire USHL
this season and the best one, in a very loooong time

Mitch MIller, prior to this season; in about 100 games in the USHL
12 goals, 49 points, this season?

37 goals and almost 80 points so far....lol

 

[BondraTime]

Is playing for a (pace for) 100 point season in the USHL this season
Jeremy is 18 until late August.

If someone does not draft him at all in this years draft (again)
all 32 teams should be ashamed.

I would take him in the 1st round for sure.

Would be a huge waste of a 1st pick

Wilmer has made Mitchell Miller the best offensive d-man in the entire USHL
this season and the best one, in a very loooong time

Mitch MIller, prior to this season; in about 100 games in the USHL
12 goals, 49 points, this season?

37 goals and almost 80 points so far....lol

Mitch Miller being a 20 year old offensive D, NHL draft pick, is the reason that Miller is the best offensive D in the USHL.

It he played in the USHL last season he’d have scored well over point per game as well.

He’d have been the best offensive D in the league with or without Wilmer, on any team in the league.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

His season so far (play-offs included)

25 goals
80 assists
105 points
1.66 ppg
+43
96 penalty minutes
118 shots on goal