F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL)

[Melkor]

Yes

Then I expect him to be a rookie of the year when he comes over whatever his competition might be. Too much talk about him for him not to walk it accordingly

 

[Kennerback]

Rotenberg is an incompetent, nepotist arrogant dipshit. So of course Demidov isnt in an optimal situation. Yet the same can be said for a lot of players under Rotenberg. Questionable player usage is a pattern with him. Shit, see Buchelnikov, Tolchinsky, Michkov, Ivanov, Kadeikin, etc.
It needn't always be “OMG! (Insert favorite player) isnt getting playing time? Those Russian clubs always punish players leaving for NHL!!!”
This shows a total lack of nuance.

I trust that Michkov told Rottenberg to f*** off. That’s why he got all the good ice time in Sochi. Unfortunately, Demidov is too nice and he’s paying for it. #goodguysfinishlast.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

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I'm too old to understand this.

You may "Okay, boomer." me

 

[Andrei79]

He isn't averaging less than 10 minutes per game, he occasionally plays less than 10.

I love how the post right after yours completely embarrasses this complete nonsense you posted. Didn't even take a few minutes to fact check your awful take.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Then I expect him to be a rookie of the year when he comes over whatever his competition might be. Too much talk about him for him not to walk it accordingly

Should be one of the favorites but i think Nikishin will take it i believe hes 4 years older and the best player outside the NHL

 

[SoundAndFury]

I love how the post right after yours completely embarrasses this complete nonsense you posted. Didn't even take a few minutes to fact check your awful take.

By pointing out that he indeed plays over 10 minutes in most games? Somehow I'm not embarrassed.

I love how posting something that is flat-out wrong is not "embarrassing," but correcting it is an "awful take." Okay, buddy.

 

[Andrei79]

By pointing out that he indeed plays over 10 minutes in most games? Somehow I'm not embarrassed.

I love how posting something that is flat-out wrong is not "embarrassing," but correcting it is an "awful take." Okay, buddy.

The fact you're not actually citing what you posted says it all. That clown take being immediately embarrassed was worth what we all had to read though.

 

[SoundAndFury]

The fact you're not actually citing what you posted says it all. That clown take being immediately embarrassed was worth what we all had to read though.

Here are some facts for you:

1. He does play over 10 minutes in most games.
2. Not only that, he still averages about 11 minutes per game meaning the games where he plays a lot of minutes outweigh those where he played 3-4 which has been the case sometimes. Sometimes he doesn't play almost at all but in those other games, he plays a legitimate top-6 role.
3. Not only does he play a top-6 role in those games, but he thrives in them, which was the point of my original post that started this. As outlined by the poster you were referring to, Demidov is close to PPG in those games.
4. Just because you find those facts hard to take for you or you go out of your way to misunderstand it somehow doesn't make my "take" (which is really just outlining some facts, I'm hardly making any kind of statement here) wrong and certainly does not make me feel embarrassed in any way.
5. Just because fans of every fan base always want their prospect to be the greatest, play all the minutes, and whenever they don't do so, it's bad, I don't see anything else but load management going on with Demidov. Otherwise, he is in a great environment where he is productive and constantly getting big league experience. Ducks did a similar thing with Leo Carlsson after bringing it over (as in extreme load management) and somehow nobody was up in arms about it.

Just because you and, I assume, many Montreal fans are unhappy with this, doesn't make your "take" about it objective. In that, the poster to whom I wrote my "embarrassing" reply was just factually wrong about it. I thought, if "the truth" was so much on your side, it wouldn't need any exaggeration.

 

[Kegs]

Bias aside, is this dude that guy or nah?

He looks pretty amazing. We will have to see when he gets to North America.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Should be one of the favorites but i think Nikishin will take it i believe hes 4 years older and the best player outside the NHL

Yeah he's got a good shot at it too, but not sure what level of opportunity he's going to get in Carolina, whereas Demidov will be stepping onto a line with Laine

 

[ottawa]

Here are some facts for you:

1. He does play over 10 minutes in most games.
2. Not only that, he still averages about 11 minutes per game meaning the games where he plays a lot of minutes outweigh those where he played 3-4 which has been the case sometimes. Sometimes he doesn't play almost at all but in those other games, he plays a legitimate top-6 role.
3. Not only does he play a top-6 role in those games, but he thrives in them, which was the point of my original post that started this. As outlined by the poster you were referring to, Demidov is close to PPG in those games.
4. Just because you find those facts hard to take for you or you go out of your way to misunderstand it somehow doesn't make my "take" (which is really just outlining some facts, I'm hardly making any kind of statement here) wrong and certainly does not make me feel embarrassed in any way.
5. Just because fans of every fan base always want their prospect to be the greatest, play all the minutes, and whenever they don't do so, it's bad, I don't see anything else but load management going on with Demidov. Otherwise, he is in a great environment where he is productive and constantly getting big league experience. Ducks did a similar thing with Leo Carlsson after bringing it over (as in extreme load management) and somehow nobody was up in arms about it.

Just because you and, I assume, many Montreal fans are unhappy with this, doesn't make your "take" about it objective. In that, the poster to whom I wrote my "embarrassing" reply was just factually wrong about it. I thought, if "the truth" was so much on your side, it wouldn't need any exaggeration.

You're right, averaging 10:26 is absolutely wild...can't really develop properly with that ice time. Can't remember the last time a top 5 talent went through something similar.

Kid deserves better...too bad habs can't do anything about this

 

[SoundAndFury]

You're right, averaging 10:26 is absolutely wild...can't really develop properly with that ice time. Can't remember the last time a top 5 talent went through something similar.

Kid deserves better...too bad habs can't do anything about this

How are you guys this bad at checking basic stats. It's 10:54, not 10:26. But that's beside the point I'm making. You also have quite a bad memory since Michkov went through something much worse than this with SKA. As did Marchenko although his case is slightly different.

Now you are free to make a point Demidov "deserves" better but this is SKA's MO for years so if he wasn't happy with this he could have looked for another career path. He knew he was going to be handled this way and like I said, it's really not the worst possible outcome he could have gotten and he really seems to be making the most of it.

"Developing properly" has also been debated ad nauseam in the threads of almost all Russian prospects: be it Podkolzin, Yurov, Michkov, Grebyonkin or anyone else. And it's same stuff over and over again every time.

I have a better question for you: who was the last high-profile Russian forward prospect playing for the big team (which is almost all of them) who didn't get handled in a way similar to this? And of course, NHL fandom of the relevant teams whined each and every time (except for someone like But because he is an Arizona/Utah prospect so nobody cares) but you should at least stick to basic facts in the process of producing this all-drowning white noise, that was the point of my "10 minutes" post.

But of course, for dozens and dozens of Canadian fans, led by Mr. Whiner79, who hilariously has Russia in his avatar despite being completely clueless about hockey customs in the country, this constant whining and ongoing ignorance is fine to the point where he finds someone pointing out a factual mistake "embarrassing".

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

How are you guys this bad at checking basic stats. It's 10:54, not 10:26. But that's beside the point I'm making. You also have quite a bad memory since Michkov went through something much worse than this with SKA. As did Marchenko although his case is slightly different.

Now you are free to make a point Demidov "deserves" better but this is SKA's MO for years so if he wasn't happy with this he could have looked for another career path. He knew he was going to be handled this way and like I said, it's really not the worst possible outcome he could have gotten and he really seems to be making the most of it.

"Developing properly" has also been debated ad nauseam in the threads of almost all Russian prospects: be it Podkolzin, Yurov, Michkov, Grebyonkin or anyone else. And it's same stuff over and over again every time.

I have a better question for you: who was the last high-profile Russian forward prospect playing for the big team (which is almost all of them) who didn't get handled in a way similar to this? And of course, NHL fandom of the relevant teams whined each and every time (except for someone like But because he is an Arizona/Utah prospect so nobody cares) but you should at least stick to basic facts in the process of producing this all-drowning white noise, that was the point of my "10 minutes" post.

But of course, for dozens and dozens of Canadian fans, led by Mr. Whiner79, who hilariously has Russia in his avatar despite being completely clueless about hockey customs in the country, this constant whining and ongoing ignorance is fine to the point where he finds someone pointing out a factual mistake "embarrassing".

Yeah I agree with this. Everyone should have expected this and it's totally fine. His development isn't being wasted , sure maybe in theory he should play more but again, everyone knows what they're going to get in the KHL as a 19 or 20 year old.

Habs fans (like myself) are just gonna have to wait this year out.

 

[MichaelFarrell]

I truly think the fact that Demidov fell to 5 proves that most people who are working for NHL teams are completely incompetent. It’s a bit scary really.

You don’t pass on players with this type of talent.

 

[Thomas Sowell]

Bias aside, is this dude that guy or nah?

Yeah man, he is.

 

[Michoulicious]

I truly think the fact that Demidov fell to 5 proves that most people who are working for NHL teams are completely incompetent. It’s a bit scary really.

You don’t pass on players with this type of talent.

Celebrini is the only player that is on the same level talent-wise.

Celebrini will be a superstar. Demidov will be a superstar.

 

[MichaelFarrell]

Celebrini is the only player that is on the same level talent-wise.

Celebrini will be a superstar. Demidov will be a superstar.

I still don’t understand how you couldn’t have had Celebrini at 1 and Demidov at 2. For me, they were in the same tier with Celebrini having a slight edge.

Blackhawks should be ashamed for denying the people Demidov and Bedard. It’s actually insane.

 

[MHO]

I still don’t understand how you couldn’t have had Celebrini at 1 and Demidov at 2. For me, they were in the same tier with Celebrini having a slight edge.

Blackhawks should be ashamed for denying the people Demidov and Bedard. It’s actually insane.

Hey I'm a Hawks fan here and it wasn't just the Blackhawks who passed on him right? We even tried to trade our pick this year to get him. He looks like he's gonna be a great player but and our message board is split on who they should have taken but I'm ok with the Levshunov pick.

He's looking quite good in the AHL right now and if he turns out to be a legit #1 D who is also right handed, I'll be good with the pick no matter how good Demidov turns out to be. #1 D men are so much harder to find than dynamic wingers that don't look to do anything other than score. We have another year or 2 of being bad to find playmakers at the top of the draft to play with Bedard.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Hey I'm a Hawks fan here and it wasn't just the Blackhawks who passed on him right? We even tried to trade our pick this year to get him. He looks like he's gonna be a great player but and our message board is split on who they should have taken but I'm ok with the Levshunov pick.

He's looking quite good in the AHL right now and if he turns out to be a legit #1 D who is also right handed, I'll be good with the pick no matter how good Demidov turns out to be. #1 D men are so much harder to find than dynamic wingers that don't look to do anything other than score. We have another year or 2 of being bad to find playmakers at the top of the draft to play with Bedard.

How many 1Ds you will take over Kaprizov in NHL nowadays?

 

[waitin425]

How many 1Ds you will take over Kaprizov in NHL nowadays?

I take Makar. Quinn Hughes. Probably a few more. Habs fan. Can't blame Hawks fans for being happy with Lev. Nothing has been proven to change the draft ranking. Even though I would have taken Dickinson over Lev. But that's just me.

I am so happy with Demidov. He fits perfectly for us

 

[MichaelFarrell]

Hey I'm a Hawks fan here and it wasn't just the Blackhawks who passed on him right? We even tried to trade our pick this year to get him. He looks like he's gonna be a great player but and our message board is split on who they should have taken but I'm ok with the Levshunov pick.

He's looking quite good in the AHL right now and if he turns out to be a legit #1 D who is also right handed, I'll be good with the pick no matter how good Demidov turns out to be. #1 D men are so much harder to find than dynamic wingers that don't look to do anything other than score. We have another year or 2 of being bad to find playmakers at the top of the draft to play with Bedard.

I just do not think Levshunov has legit #1 D potential. Could he get there? Maybe I guess. But, if we look at the odds of Demidov becoming an elite player vs Levshunov becoming an elite player, it’s not even close.

 

[Andrei79]

Here are some facts for you:

1. He does play over 10 minutes in most games.
2. Not only that, he still averages about 11 minutes per game meaning the games where he plays a lot of minutes outweigh those where he played 3-4 which has been the case sometimes. Sometimes he doesn't play almost at all but in those other games, he plays a legitimate top-6 role.
3. Not only does he play a top-6 role in those games, but he thrives in them, which was the point of my original post that started this. As outlined by the poster you were referring to, Demidov is close to PPG in those games.
4. Just because you find those facts hard to take for you or you go out of your way to misunderstand it somehow doesn't make my "take" (which is really just outlining some facts, I'm hardly making any kind of statement here) wrong and certainly does not make me feel embarrassed in any way.
5. Just because fans of every fan base always want their prospect to be the greatest, play all the minutes, and whenever they don't do so, it's bad, I don't see anything else but load management going on with Demidov. Otherwise, he is in a great environment where he is productive and constantly getting big league experience. Ducks did a similar thing with Leo Carlsson after bringing it over (as in extreme load management) and somehow nobody was up in arms about it.

Just because you and, I assume, many Montreal fans are unhappy with this, doesn't make your "take" about it objective. In that, the poster to whom I wrote my "embarrassing" reply was just factually wrong about it. I thought, if "the truth" was so much on your side, it wouldn't need any exaggeration.

How are you guys this bad at checking basic stats. It's 10:54, not 10:26. But that's beside the point I'm making. You also have quite a bad memory since Michkov went through something much worse than this with SKA. As did Marchenko although his case is slightly different.

Now you are free to make a point Demidov "deserves" better but this is SKA's MO for years so if he wasn't happy with this he could have looked for another career path. He knew he was going to be handled this way and like I said, it's really not the worst possible outcome he could have gotten and he really seems to be making the most of it.

"Developing properly" has also been debated ad nauseam in the threads of almost all Russian prospects: be it Podkolzin, Yurov, Michkov, Grebyonkin or anyone else. And it's same stuff over and over again every time.

I have a better question for you: who was the last high-profile Russian forward prospect playing for the big team (which is almost all of them) who didn't get handled in a way similar to this? And of course, NHL fandom of the relevant teams whined each and every time (except for someone like But because he is an Arizona/Utah prospect so nobody cares) but you should at least stick to basic facts in the process of producing this all-drowning white noise, that was the point of my "10 minutes" post.

But of course, for dozens and dozens of Canadian fans, led by Mr. Whiner79, who hilariously has Russia in his avatar despite being completely clueless about hockey customs in the country, this constant whining and ongoing ignorance is fine to the point where he finds someone pointing out a factual mistake "embarrassing".

These two posts read like the ramblings of a madman. I have no idea what you're replying to. Also, my avatar is Canada, lmao. I didn't think you could embarrass yourself even more, but somehow you did it. I literally have not made a single comment about Russia, ever. You said he "occasionally" played under 10 minutes and were immediately embarrassed. Then you were so triggered you wrote two novels of garbage we've all unfortunately had to read. Still, looking forward to reading more hilarious and awful takes from you.

 

[MHO]

I just do not think Levshunov has legit #1 D potential. Could he get there? Maybe I guess. But, if we look at the odds of Demidov becoming an elite player vs Levshunov becoming an elite player, it’s not even close.

I agree that the odds of Demidov becoming an elite player are higher. But I do think Levshunov has #1 potential and the supply of right handed defensemen with his skills is incredibly low. It's just easier to find a scoring winger than an all around defenseman.