I think Beck matching Evans rookie AHL numbers will be considered a W. Highly doubt he's as good right now just based on what we've seen.
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I think Beck matching Evans rookie AHL numbers will be considered a W. Highly doubt he's as good right now just based on what we've seen.
viceroy
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Dude, Beck's face-off numbers alone make him better. Criminy one reason Hughes doesn't seem jazzed to trade Dvorak is because he has excellent face-off numbers and we need someone good at it for important draws.
Michael Farkas
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I don't know if it's been mentioned in the past 70 pages, but Ivan Demidov is really really good. I broke down some of what makes him so good in this video, if you're interested...
Gravity
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Really excellent video and breakdown. Thanks for sharing.
KevSkillz4
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Kaprizov vibes 100%.
He will be a superstar and the best Habs forward with Slafkovsky for very very long time!
HabbyGuy
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Excellent breakdown, kind of flies in the face of the Michkov>Demidov AINEC narrative by some.
Not that it matters, both should be great, just saying though.
Jeune Poulet
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Beck's "numbers" against teenagers, guys who can't legally drink and have no hair on their balls?
Evans will never be mistaken for Danault but just like him, people continually underrate him and ignore the fact these players are usually thrown in crappy situations (defensive zone starts, unfavourable matchups to keep the pressure off our young forwards and give them opportunities.) He's on a dot against elite players and his numbers are fine, and his overall play is good enough.
Beck couldn't even cut it last season. Let's wait and see where he is at before crapping all over Evans who has been very serviceable for us.
viceroy
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Simmer down papi. I'm not exactly sure how his opponents' ball hair situation matters here but Beck's the best face off guy in the CHL. I mean if you had a guy who was the best scorer in Juniors would that not matter to you since the goalies were mostly teenagers?
I mean cool, you love Evans but he's a good but unremarkable 4th line Centre. The more serious the Habs get the more we'll need guys on the bottom lines who make a difference.
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Jr faceoff numbers mean absolutely nothing against pros. Crosby was the best in the CHL took him years to get over 50% in the NHL. Pinto was over 64% in college highest ever at UND and the highest in college hockey and was under 40% in his first pro season. He's settled in at just over 51% in his last two seasons.
The poster doesn't 'love' Evans. He's just pointing out the obvious. He's a solid player that takes hard matchups. Expecting Beck to instantly better in a role that takes any player years to establish themselves in through reps and experience isn't far fetched in any way.
Beck likely gets there but it's not happening as a rookie.
viceroy
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That's where you lose me. Beck needs reps vs NHL level Centres. Sure Evans would probably get more face off wins this season but who cares? Building a proper team with the young guys growing into their positions is more important. It's not like Evans is some sachem to mentor the kids like Savard, he's just a serviceable young-ish bottom line C.
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enjoy, this is the most exciting thing the Habs have experienced in the last 30 years
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Why so salty?enjoy, this is the most exciting thing the Habs have experienced in the last 30 years
Patetic
You're right. We don't have any sexual assault coverups or shitbag owners. Somehow, we'll manage to carry on. Rape free.enjoy, this is the most exciting thing the Habs have experienced in the last 30 years
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Kaprizov is one of the few players that actually pull you out of your seat! He is so dynamic. If that’s Demidov we are going to be serious to contenD with
I think Kaprizov has better shot, and Demidov has better stickhandling, he's gonna be a more entertaining player. Will he be a more effective player (or as effective, which isn't bad as well) we shall see.
Crazy8oooo
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I don’t agree. There’s a much lower percentage chance of someone turning into a Kucherov than it is a Filatov.
TheKrebsCycle
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Depends how you look at it. If you take all the #2 ranked prospects (according to Mckenzie’s ranking) in the last 20 drafts, did they end up closer to Filatov or Kucherov?
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DaPhazz
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enjoy, this is the most exciting thing the Habs have experienced in the last 30 years
Patetic
This post LOL
Not my comment, but how so? I would argue that Kucherov is a late second rounder who turned into a superstar, while Filatov is a top-10 pick that didn't quite work out. That might not be what the original guy was arguing, but in this aspect, I would think a late second-round superstar would be less common than a top 10 bust.
Crazy8oooo
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Not bating whatsoever. I just think the comment was silly to suggest that Demidov, or most other players for that matter, has the same chance of becoming one of the best players of his generation as it is of busting. Very few players reach Kucherov’s level, while countless players end up busting. Those odds are far from the same.
Do I think Demidov will be a bust? Nope, but that wasn’t the point.
