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F Ivan Demidov (2024, 5th, MTL) Part 2

He obviously needs better linemates on 5vs5, I doubt Montreal has any proper top6 players save the 1st line and Demidov. The situation is kinda similar to what Michkov had on the Flyers.

The difference is Flyers had even fewer top6 players so Michkov sometimes played with TK and Couts, and on Montreal the 1st line is set in stone so Demidov needs his own 2nd line which the team doesn't have. Let's see what its management is gonna do this offseason.
Michkov scored with plugs though and at 5v5. If you’re “that” good you can score even with lesser line mates no? Or does this only work when we talk about Michkov. After 4 nations Michkov was one of the best 5v5 players in the NHL, with absurd play driving metrics and led his team in goals, we should expect the same from Demidov.
 
Michkov scored with plugs though and at 5v5. If you’re “that” good you can score even with lesser line mates no? Or does this only work when we talk about Michkov. After 4 nations Michkov was one of the best 5v5 players in the NHL, with absurd play driving metrics and led his team in goals, we should expect the same from Demidov.
Lil guy Demidov just came out from Russia 2 weeks ago and is playing against the top seed in the east.
 
You can't play the puck on Demidov because he shifts,you can't hit him because he shifts you. 2 assists on the PP.
He looked really comfy on the PP and made a nice pass; 5v5 he’s been horrific, the reasons it’s a red flag is because it was the same red flags he had as a prospect, foot speed, stride and skating. His ability to dissect the game is slow when the space is limited. It’s great when he has power play level space. Even Michkov had a small adjustment period coming to the NHL 5v5 then he started to dominate, that’s how it goes. How many fans from a specific fan base were on his thread calling him a PP merchant, come on. I’m rooting for Demidov either way.
 
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I just think the sample size is too small and their situations too different to compare them 1:1 yet, Demi is still adapting to the pace but next season we'll get a better picture.
What kinda point totals do you see next year, obviously he'll get better ice time / PP1 time than Michkov. Assuming he's completely healthy, also I"ll note that Habs PP looked great today if Hutson works on his shot, might be one of the top 3 PP QB's in the league.
 
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What kinda point totals do you see next year, obviously he'll get better ice time / PP1 time than Michkov. Assuming he's completely healthy, also I"ll note that Habs PP looked great today if Hutson works on his shot, might be one of the top 3 PP QB's in the league.
Idk it's hard to tell, there's so many variables and possible outcomes but with pp1 and top 6 minutes I'd be pumped with around 0.75 ppg. The homer in me hope he can get more thought.
 
Idk it's hard to tell, there's so many variables and possible outcomes but with pp1 and top 6 minutes I'd be pumped with around 0.75 ppg. The homer in me hope he can get more thought.

They seem to have all the perfect variables for an elite PP, if he’s stapled to PP1 he’ll rack up points for sure
 
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They seem to have all the perfect variables for an elite PP, if he’s stapled to PP1 he’ll rack up points for sure
Hopefully they get a legit center to play with him at 5v5 too. Dvo/Evans with him would drive Habs fans mad over a full season.
 
Hopefully they get a legit center to play with him at 5v5 too. Dvo/Evans with him would drive Habs fans mad over a full season.
lol I get it, shit sucks when your teams best prospect is stapled to a line of plugs. Made the playoffs this year fully expect Montreal to be players during draft day and free agency
 
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Lil guy you compare him to top prospects they need to be held to the same standard, calm down I know you’re standing up but chill.
You’re right.

Demidov NHL D+1 = 1.0 PPG
Michkov NHL D+1 = 0/ not good enough to play

Demidov D+1 NHL playoff = 0.5 PPG
Michkov NHL D+1 playoff = 0/ not good enough to play

May I also remind you that it took ~40 games for Michkov in his D+2 to get 7 ES points and after that he had to be paired with TK to start producing ES points because he couldn’t carry a line himself otherwise. Let’s hope next year you’ll have the same standard for the first half a season for Demidov.
 
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You’re right.

Demidov NHL D+1 = 1.0 PPG
Michkov NHL D+1 = 0/ not good enough to play

Demidov D+1 NHL playoff = 0.5 PPG
Michkov NHL D+1 playoff = 0/ not good enough to play

May I also remind you that it took ~40 games for Michkov in his D+2 to get 7 ES points and after that he had to be paired with TK to start producing ES points because he couldn’t carry a line himself otherwise. Let’s hope next year you’ll have the same standard for the first half a season for Demidov.
this is just pure non-sense. seems like you know nothing about Michkov other than Habs passing on him so now it's your life mission to try and make him sound like a bum.... grow up

Demidov also has only played a couple regular season games..... he's proven nothing

also MTL is a much better team than PHI
 
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You’re right.

Demidov NHL D+1 = 1.0 PPG
Michkov NHL D+1 = 0/ not good enough to play

Demidov D+1 NHL playoff = 0.5 PPG
Michkov NHL D+1 playoff = 0/ not good enough to play

May I also remind you that it took ~40 games for Michkov in his D+2 to get 7 ES points and after that he had to be paired with TK to start producing ES points because he couldn’t carry a line himself otherwise. Let’s hope next year you’ll have the same standard for the first half a season for Demidov.
Geez man. Lol. I hope Demidov has a great rest of the playoffs and season next year.
 
this is just pure non-sense. seems like you know nothing about Michkov other than Habs passing on him so now it's your life mission to try and make him sound like a bum.... grow up

Demidov also has only played a couple regular season games..... he's proven nothing

also MTL is a much better team than PHI
No they need to be held to the same standard. I think Michkov is a fantastic & skilled player, he’s just a bit inferior to Demidov and there’s nothing wrong in acknowledging that.

But is Montreal is a “much” better team right now? I recall the Flyers being a bubble team last year (87 points) before Michkov joined them. As talented as he is, he should have pushed Philly above the edge and made them a playoff team. They had great chemistry and a good thing going.

Instead, they crumbled when Michkov arrived. The coach (which did a good job last year) got canned and they had to move a few players out. Is that a coincidence? Maybe, who knows? The timing is weird though
 
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No they need to be held to the same standard. I think Michkov is a fantastic & skilled player, he’s just a bit inferior to Demidov and there’s nothing wrong in acknowledging that.

But is Montreal is a “much” better team right now? I recall the Flyers being a bubble team last year (87 points) before Michkov joined them. As talented as he is, he should have pushed Philly above the edge and made them a playoff team. They had great chemistry and a good thing going.

Instead, they crumbled when Michkov arrived. The coach (which did a good job last year) got canned and they had to move a few players out. Is that a coincidence? Maybe, who knows? The timing is weird though
what same standard what are u talking about? and I dunno if u can even say Demidov as ppg in his D+1 season, he played only 2 games. not even enough to burn a ELC year.

what makes him inferior to Demidov? because he's a hab and Michkov isn't?

Flyers finished deadlast in their division and MTL made the playoffs..... so u wanna rethink that one again?

you literally know nothing about Michkov other than Habs passing on him. maybe time to sit this one out
 
what same standard what are u talking about? and I dunno if u can even say Demidov as ppg in his D+1 season, he played only 2 games. not even enough to burn a ELC year.

what makes him inferior to Demidov? because he's a hab and Michkov isn't?

Flyers finished deadlast in their division and MTL made the playoffs..... so u wanna rethink that one again?

you literally know nothing about Michkov other than Habs passing on him. maybe time to sit this one out
I know he’s a smaller version of Phil Kessel (in height/weight) and will eventually end up a very high end complimentary piece on a top contender. I also know that the Flyers went from a bubble team to a basement team when Michkov joined - Which might just be a coincidence, we don’t know!

I also know that Demidov - while being a year younger - has had a similar (if not better) impact over his first 6 NHL games than Michkov did at the start of the year despite the limited ice time.

All I’m saying is Demidov had a better D+1 season and is trending to be a better player long term. I base my opinion on facts and stats but you can have a different opinion than mine and that’s ok, I respect that.
 
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I know he’s a smaller version of Phil Kessel (in height/weight) and will eventually end up a very high end complimentary piece on a top contender. I also know that the Flyers went from a bubble team to a basement team when Michkov joined - Which might just be a coincidence, we don’t know!

I also know that Demidov - while being a year younger - has had a similar (if not better) impact over his first 6 NHL games than Michkov did at the start of the year despite the limited ice time.

All I’m saying is Demidov had a better D+1 season and is trending to be a better player long term. I base my opinion on facts and stats but you can have a different opinion than mine and that’s ok, I respect that.
complimentary piece LMAO

your trying to compare 6 games to Michkov's full season under Torts?

Demidov doesnt have a D+1 season. it's not enough to burn a ELC.... he's still a rookie for next season.

what your really telling us is your a fan with a homerism opinion and a negative one on Michkov ever since Reinbacher was selected over him. your very difficult to take seriously.
 

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