Kingpin794
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Illness. It's been going around the team the last week or so.
F Igor Chernyshov - Saginaw Spirit, OHL (2024, 33rd, SJS)
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Igor back in the lineup and Saginaw beats a very good Windsor team.
Chernyshov with 2G and an assist keeping his momentum and looking good JMO
Chernyshov with 2G and an assist keeping his momentum and looking good JMO
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Kingpin794
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Guy is built like a brick house. Just a huge dude out there. Can tell he really needs to get his legs under him again/get conditioning up but once he does I think he's going to handle the pro ranks just fine.
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Cherny is the shiny new toy and held his own as a kid in the KHL last year. Musty has more offensive upside but it's probably still Cherny until Musty proves he can play a more pro style game.
OilersFanatics505
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Not playing for a long time, he’s adjust fine. The conditioning will come. Especially if he puts in the offseason work and comes in ready for camp, I can see him making the sharks if they have a roster spot for him.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Knew I could count on you for consistency.
I'm sure the thirty-something games he plays in the OHL before moving on to the AHL next year will define his entire career outcome. Unhinged.
Pavel Buchnevich
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NA minors doesn’t tend to work that much better. I’m unhinged because I’m voting based on the past data of Chernyshov’s player type? Makes a lot of sense.
Kingpin794
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Except your whole arguememt for this every time it comes up hinges on too small a sample size with almost zero context. It’s half a step above superstition.
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If Chernyshov were spending multiple key developmental years in the OHL, you may have a point. But he's literally going to spend thirty-something games there, some of which is still getting his legs under him post-injury, and adapting to NA culture and learning English. He'll be in the AHL next season, which he would have been even if he'd stayed in the KHL this season.
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You can look up the stats for yourself but most Russian players that join the CHL don’t put up points right away and most are under a PPG for most of their first season. Cherny is putting up points from the very first shift and very first shot despite the injury history. Seems the NA ice isn’t slowing him down, only his conditioning from being gone from hockey for 8 months.
Pavel Buchnevich
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How is it too small of a sample? There’s been like 5-10 Russian skill forwards that play in NA juniors (and likely just as many in the minors) each year and you can count on one hand the amount of success stories since 2000.
Again, I would still say AHL isn’t that much different. The problem is trying to develop these players in a system that is foreign to them. Time after time it’s proven that Russian forwards struggle to adapt to the way NA developmental teams try to play. The proportion of successes is a lot higher for those that stay in the Russian system to develop until they’re ready to play in the NHL.
Kingpin794
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Because there's hundreds of players every birth year. What's the success rate (whatever you mean by success) for Russian forwards that come over to NA vs stay in Russia? If you point and say 5 out of 50 guys that came over to NA succeed and then say 25 guys succeeded by staying in Russia, you have to acknowledge the other 200+ forwards that didn't succeed while staying in Russia. The rate of success is likely to be the same.
Pavel Buchnevich
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To begin with, players that come over to NA (even more so to the minors, but also the juniors) are the best of the best. They are not drafting some random from the third line of Kapitan Stupino’s MHL team. Almost all play for Russian junior national team or are not far off the caliber of it.
So I agree that the overall odds are against most from amounting to much, but surely the percentage that do isn’t very good even beyond the point you choice.
