F Igor Chernyshov - MHK Dynamo Moscow, MHL (2024, 33rd, SJS)

[Juxtaposer]

Kucherov played all of 50 games in NA outside of the NHL. He also came a year later than Chernyshov.

But yes, if Chernyshov rips it up like Kucherov did or Svechnikov did, he could always be an exception. All the data we have suggests he wont be. He's more likely to be the next Gushchin.

If Daniil Gushchin were 6’3” and had a defensive game then he would be an excellent prospect. The thing stopping him from being one is the fact that he’s like 5’8”.

 

[Xirik]

Perhaps he likes the Sharks Organization and appreciated that they picked him 1st in the 2nd round after being snubbed in the 1st round. Perhaps He See's a spot open on Celebrini's Wing that he wants to take and views coming over sooner as the best way of getting that spot.

I see him having Peterka like numbers in the AHL. and unless the Sharks organization wants to let ihm marinate, He will probably get called up sometime to the NHL next year.

He was one of the most NHL ready players in the draft after all.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Perhaps he likes the Sharks Organization and appreciated that they picked him 1st in the 2nd round after being snubbed in the 1st round. Perhaps He See's a spot open on Celebrini's Wing that he wants to take and views coming over sooner as the best way of getting that spot.

I see him having Peterka like numbers in the AHL. and unless the Sharks organization wants to let ihm marinate, He will probably get called up sometime to the NHL next year.

He was one of the most NHL ready players in the draft after all.

There is no way he'll play in the NHL next seson, he's just not ready. So it's AHL and no Celebrini for him. He hasn't even proved yet he's good enough to be a KHL regular.

 

[Flynn84]

But ... he's not going to the AHL.
It is looks like OHL for him. He should pushing for full-time role in KHL now, not play with kids.

But I hope it will work out for him anyway. Maybe a year dominating the juniors will help him, who knows

 

[Kshahdoo]

But ... he's not going to the AHL.
It is looks like OHL for him. He should pushing for full-time role in KHL now, not play with kids.

But I hope it will work out for him anyway. Maybe a year dominating the juniors will help him, who knows

Lol, really? If yes, then he's... well, it doesn't look like a very intelligent move from him.

 

[Taswell]

I mean, we've seen how young players who aren't superstar level get treated by their KHL teams when they have made their intentions to jump to America known. They get thrown on 4th lines and scratched on the regular. Is the OHL the best place for him? Probably not, but at least he will play a good amount of hockey.

 

[Zine]

I mean, we've seen how young players who aren't superstar level get treated by their KHL teams when they have made their intentions to jump to America known. They get thrown on 4th lines and scratched on the regular. Is the OHL the best place for him? Probably not, but at least he will play a good amount of hockey.

Only SKA really does that.
2 years ago Dynamo knew Chernyshov's teammate Novikov was leaving. Yet his final year he played 62 of 68 KHL games, averaged 11 minutes TOI... which is considerable for a U20 player of his talent level.
I mean I could realistically see Chernyshov on Dynamo's 3rd line this year.

 

[Kingpin794]

Kucherov played all of 50 games in NA outside of the NHL. He also came a year later than Chernyshov.

But yes, if Chernyshov rips it up like Kucherov did or Svechnikov did, he could always be an exception. All the data we have suggests he wont be. He's more likely to be the next Gushchin.

At pick 33, he's statistically more likely to become Gushchin over Kucherov no matter where he plays. It's just how the talent falls in drafts for the most part. And that's not even a shot at Gushchin. He's 22 and has a decent chance to earn minutes in the next year or two. Chernyshov needs to round out his offensive game/build up the offensive confidence. That's not going to happen in the KHL or AHL this season.

 

[Zine]

At pick 33, he's statistically more likely to become Gushchin over Kucherov no matter where he plays. It's just how the talent falls in drafts for the most part. And that's not even a shot at Gushchin. He's 22 and has a decent chance to earn minutes in the next year or two. Chernyshov needs to round out his offensive game/build up the offensive confidence. That's not going to happen in the KHL or AHL this season.

What makes you say that? Under the same circumstances Rimashevsky exploded offensively beyond all expectations this past year.

 

[Kingpin794]

What makes you say that? Under the same circumstances Rimashevsky exploded offensively beyond all expectations this past year.

Define exploded.

 

[Zine]

Define exploded.

"Exploded" like his offensive game took off as he started figuring out what worked and what didn't against men. Looked good. Dynamo even trusted Rimashevsky with OT ice time in the playoffs. Chernyshov has the opportunity to do the same.

So.... playing against kids in a foreign environment half way across the globe? Or against men under the tutelage of Slava Kozlov. Hmmm, I wonder what is better for a higher-level Russian kid.

 

[Kingpin794]

"Exploded" like his offensive game took off as he started figuring out what worked and what didn't against men. Looked good. Dynamo even trusted Rimashevsky with OT ice time in the playoffs. Chernyshov has the opportunity to do the same.

So.... playing against kids in a foreign environment half way across the globe? Or against men under the tutelage of Slava Kozlov. Hmmm, I wonder what is better for a higher-level Russian kid.

People keep using this term like OHL players are tim bits kids. Its a league full of NHL prospects. They are kids in the same way that a multi million dollar yacht and a paddle boat for 2 are both boats. Its a super reductive way to look at it. In the last decade there are plenty of Russians taken in the top 2 rounds that have just fallen off the map while they "develop" in the KHL. The OHL is a development league for the NHL. The KHL is specifically NOT a development league because it is an end goal.

 

[Zine]

People keep using this term like OHL players are tim bits kids. Its a league full of NHL prospects. They are kids in the same way that a multi million dollar yacht and a paddle boat for 2 are both boats. Its a super reductive way to look at it. In the last decade there are plenty of Russians taken in the top 2 rounds that have just fallen off the map while they "develop" in the KHL. The OHL is a development league for the NHL. The KHL is specifically NOT a development league because it is an end goal.

The CHL is fantastic, but only up to a point. Most Canadians will probably tell you one of their biggest development hurdles is that U20 players can't play in the AHL. Higher level players are stuck in the CHL playing well below their talent level against a lot of future accountants and truck drivers. This is especially true if one is accustomed to playing/practicing against professional men.

It's the equivalent of Chernyshov playing upper-level MHL teams this entire upcoming year. What's the point?
So yeah, playing against kids in some small midwest city? Or against men with Slava Kozlov coaching you....
No one ever said Chernyshov was a genius..

 

[Kingpin794]

The CHL is fantastic, but only up to a point. Most Canadians will probably tell you one of their biggest development hurdles is that U20 players can't play in the AHL. Higher level players are stuck in the CHL playing well below their talent level against a lot of future accountants and truck drivers. This is especially true if one is accustomed to playing/practicing against professional men.

It's the equivalent of Chernyshov playing upper-level MHL teams this entire upcoming year. What's the point?
So yeah, playing against kids in some small midwest city? Or against men with Slava Kozlov coaching you....
No one ever said Chernyshov was a genius..

Literally no one's development has been hurt by playing another year of junior hockey in the OHL. Its just an irrational concern people have. Meanwhile plenty of players have been hurt by rushing them to play up a level when they shouldn't be.

And no its not because the MHL is not anywhere near the level of play that the OHL is.

Slava Kozlov might be a good pro coach, but he doesn't give a damn about turning a teen into an NHL player. So in that case, the small midwest city playing against "kids" is better.

 

[landy92mack29]

People keep using this term like OHL players are tim bits kids. Its a league full of NHL prospects. They are kids in the same way that a multi million dollar yacht and a paddle boat for 2 are both boats. Its a super reductive way to look at it. In the last decade there are plenty of Russians taken in the top 2 rounds that have just fallen off the map while they "develop" in the KHL. The OHL is a development league for the NHL. The KHL is specifically NOT a development league because it is an end goal.

it's hilarious and frustrating at the same time how certain people are oblivious to how good of a league the CHL ones are. They even disregard how it produces the majority of talent for the NHL, but hey must not be a good developmental league because play vs "kids". I've never seen a players development hurt by going back to junior but plenty of teens who play in the AHL too early get ruined.

 

[Zine]

Literally no one's development has been hurt by playing another year of junior hockey in the OHL. Its just an irrational concern people have. Meanwhile plenty of players have been hurt by rushing them to play up a level when they shouldn't be.

And no its not because the MHL is not anywhere near the level of play that the OHL is.

Slava Kozlov might be a good pro coach, but he doesn't give a damn about turning a teen into an NHL player. So in that case, the small midwest city playing against "kids" is better.

If the CHL was so good for Russians you'd see everybody jumping at the chance to go there, Everybody's dream is the NHL. It would be like the Czechs.

But in general its a graveyard for Russian forwards. Kids/parents arent stupid, they know the historical trends. But some gullible fools still take the risk.
But the CHL is a fantastic league. It's the circumstances surrounding situations that cause problems. Cultural adaptation, reduction in quality of competition from KHL/VHL, etc.


And yes, gold division of MHL is pretty similar to CHL level.
At the end of the day, coaches want to develop their youth into good players regardless of what league they're in. Even for the KHL, there's national team implications.

 

[kp61c]

He's dumb if he prefers the chl to khl. But i have never been a fan, to put it mildly. So whatever. Demidov rotting in the crappy chl would be really tragical.

 

[one2gamble]

so much drama for a 2nd rounder

 

[Kingpin794]

so much drama for a 2nd rounder

Just the standard "russian forwards rot in the CHL" argument that ends up in any thread where a prospect so much as thinks about coming to the CHL.

 

[Juxtaposer]

He's dumb if he prefers the chl to khl. But i have never been a fan, to put it mildly. So whatever. Demidov rotting in the crappy chl would be really tragical.

A prospect is dumb for preferring a developmental league to a professional league?

Look, whether you like it or not, these kids have NHL aspirations. If they don’t feel like the KHL is going to develop them to get there, then it makes sense to at least consider other options. And this is coming from a Sharks fan who does actually think the KHL is the right place for Chernyshov next year. My preference is for him to play out the last year of his KHL contract and then jump to the AHL the year after.

And this is no fault of the KHL, it’s not their job to develop future NHLers. But that’s why a lot of non-superstar Russian prospects don’t think it’s the best for their development. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[molotce]

If the CHL was so good for Russians you'd see everybody jumping at the chance to go there, Everybody's dream is the NHL. It would be like the Czechs.

But in general its a graveyard for Russian forwards. Kids/parents arent stupid, they know the historical trends. But some gullible fools still take the risk.
But the CHL is a fantastic league. It's the circumstances surrounding situations that cause problems. Cultural adaptation, reduction in quality of competition from KHL/VHL, etc.


And yes, gold division of MHL is pretty similar to CHL level.
At the end of the day, coaches want to develop their youth into good players regardless of what league they're in. Even for the KHL, there's national team implications.

I think we have to consider that players choosing the CHL are young prospects around 16-18, not matter where they are from the hype will not come to fruition for all of them. Some are too hyped because they are skilled but flawed or were more physically developed etc, its easy to then add them to your point of view to the CHL transfer. But i do agree as the son of a russian immigrant, it can add an unnecessary challenge of adaptation and learning for the teenagers. Some are more easily adapting than others.

 

[Guadana]

I just hope they will give him tryout in AHL or something like that. CHL is a great league for 16-18 yo talented players, but Chernyshov is much better now. And much more ready for more, he should learn what he can do against much better competition, not against kids.

 

[Sticktape]

Sure he put up 28 points in 22 games in the MHL, but is he really better than the CHL right now?

 

[Caser]

His KHL contract has been officially terminated.

 

[Kshahdoo]

It looks like the kid is as smart as a 30 year old washing machine...