F Dalibor Dvorsky (2023, 10th, STL)

[Eye of Ra]

AIK	HockeyAllsvenskan	10	1	0	1	0	-3	|
Slovakia U20	WJC-20	-	-	-	-	-		|

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Points not coming in. But in the games i saw him he was good. Handles the puck well, smart. Very skilled. Just a matter of time before the points comes.

 

[Antiillafire]

Extended his contract 2 years with AIK. I am not a big fan of this decision

 

[VictorLustig]

Extended his contract 2 years with AIK. I am not a big fan of this decision

Why?

 

[Antiillafire]

Why?

Besides Pettersson who was the last forward taken in the top 10 who spent their draft year in Allsvenskan?

 

[VictorLustig]

Besides Pettersson who was the last forward taken in the top 10 who spent their draft year in Allsvenskan?

This is like Slafkovsky situation. Poor decisions being made with our two best youth forwards in 15 years.

Why exactly is it a bad idea spending your draft season in Allsvenskan? Too easy? I bet Kopitar, OEL, F. Forsberg, W. Nylander, H. Lindholm, Burakovsky, Pastrnak, Pettersson, Bratt etc. would disagree on that.

The stupid decision would be to rush to the next level before you’ve even established yourself as a regular in Allsvenskan. It never ends well.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Besides Pettersson who was the last forward taken in the top 10 who spent their draft year in Allsvenskan?

Lindholm, Forsberg went #11, Wennberg #14, Nylander spent more than half of his draft year in Allsvenskan, Broberg, you mentioned Petterson yourself. If anything, Allsvenksan's draft record is amazing. By my very crude estimation, it has as many top-10 picks over the last 10 years as SHL does.

 

[alko]

Btw. Dvorsky had this season already 4 penalty shot attempts - 1 in Allsvenskan, 3 in juniors. Scored only 1 goal.

You think 4 is a small number? Try to find more.

 

[Antiillafire]

Why exactly is it a bad idea spending your draft season in Allsvenskan? Too easy? I bet Kopitar, OEL, F. Forsberg, W. Nylander, H. Lindholm, Burakovsky, Pastrnak, Pettersson, Bratt etc. would disagree on that.

The stupid decision would be to rush to the next level before you’ve even established yourself as a regular in Allsvenskan. It never ends well.

Never said that, it’s an excellent league for development as the names you’ve mentioned. Im saying that it may not be the place for Dvorsky. North America has been the best place for Slovak development in last 10 years, Sweden not as much.

 

[Martinez89]

Never said that, it’s an excellent league for development as the names you’ve mentioned. Im saying that it may not be the place for Dvorsky. North America has been the best place for Slovak development in last 10 years

Dvorsky isn´t a common example of Slovak hockey player. Probably you forgot he lives in Sweden from his 9 years and is speaking Swedish fluently. The player what he is now is a credit of Swedish development. He feels much more comfortable in Sweden than in NA.

 

[Antiillafire]

Dvorsky isn´t a common example of Slovak hockey player. Probably you forgot he lives in Sweden from his 9 years and is speaking Swedish fluently. The player what he is now is a credit of Swedish development. He feels much more comfortable in Sweden than in NA.

Yeah I understand and saw that in interview before around HGC time. Still, it’s more than just being about comfort. You don’t think Cernak would have felt more at home staying in Slovakia? And he struggled quite a bit in his first year in NA but it was because of his move that he became the player he is today, our best player in the NHL and 2X Stanley cup champion.
Is there even any guarantee he will get top 6 and PP ice time next season in a middle of the pack AIK team? He’s not even playing his natural position with them either. He could go to CHL and get 1C, PK and PP ice time every night and play on NA size rink, maybe even in the WHL against Bedard.

Medicine Hat will probably end up with the first pick in the import draft unless another WHL team completely falls off. He goes there and he gets all the situations and all the minutes, and can prove that he’s a top player in the 2023 class. Or Spokane maybe, play alongside an emerging talent in Bertholet. And he will be able to play his natural position without a doubt.

 

[SoundAndFury]

So by your own admission, it's an excellent development league in his de facto home country but somehow still a bad choice. That's some tough criteria you have.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Dvorsky isn´t a common example of Slovak hockey player. Probably you forgot he lives in Sweden from his 9 years and is speaking Swedish i fluently. The player what he is now is a credit of Swedish development. He feels much more comfortable in Sweden than in NA.

correct me if im wrong, but he could play for team sweden. i dont hope so, for slovakias sake.

 

[alko]

correct me if im wrong, but he could play for team sweden. i dont hope so, for slovakias sake.

Now im curious about this: His only official IIHF games for Team Slovakia were the 2 on last WJC. Did they now count as official games played? If he want suddenly switch to Sweden national team, could it be done?

 

[Boonk]

Now im curious about this: His only official IIHF games for Team Slovakia were the 2 on last WJC. Did they now count as official games played? If he want suddenly switch to Sweden national team, could it be done?

Yes, World Juniors are an IIHF sanctioned event so he would be locked in with the Slovakia delegation.

If he wanted to switch to Sweden, he would need to play 2 consecutive club seasons in Sweden (not an issue since he already plays there and I'm assuming may have citizenship?), and would need to not play for Slovakia at the IIHF level (4 years I think)

 

[alko]

Yes, World Juniors are an IIHF sanctioned event so he would be locked in with the Slovakia delegation.

I know that. But are those 2 games officially count? Because in Summer should be another tournament.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Forsberg - Dvorsky - Nylander

 

[hellwar9]

Dalibor wants to play for Slovakia. When he was 15, he was offered to represent Sweden and refused. So there is no need to discuss this.

 

[Boonk]

I know that. But are those 2 games officially count? Because in Summer should be another tournament.

Yes those 2 games officially count, if you play 1 game at an IIHF sanctioned event for a country then you're locked in with that delegation.

 

[Antiillafire]

correct me if im wrong, but he could play for team sweden. i dont hope so, for slovakias sake.

I believe this could have been similar case for Slafkovsky, if he wasn’t there at 16 year old IIHF. He potentially could have represented Finland, no? But both are now locked in for Slovakia obviously. But it will be an interesting point of discussion in the future if players go abroad at even younger age

 

[Eye of Ra]

I believe this could have been similar case for Slafkovsky, if he wasn’t there at 16 year old IIHF. He potentially could have represented Finland, no? But both are now locked in for Slovakia obviously. But it will be an interesting point of discussion in the future if players go abroad at even younger age

there is a big difference. slavkovsky moved to finland at age 16. dvorsky move to sweden at age 8.

 

[wetcoast]

Dvorsky isn´t a common example of Slovak hockey player. Probably you forgot he lives in Sweden from his 9 years and is speaking Swedish fluently. The player what he is now is a credit of Swedish development. He feels much more comfortable in Sweden than in NA.

If a player plays in a country from the age of 9 isn't he really a "product" of the country he played in?

 

[Martinez89]

If a player plays in a country from the age of 9 isn't he really a "product" of the country he played in?

It´s not that Slovakia didn´t help for his development. He started to play there then every year after the season he played with Slafkovsky and co. in the international tournaments and also last season he spent in Slovakia. And yes, he trains with the Slovak coach in Stockholm. So he definitely isn´t product only of Swedish development, it´s kind of mix.

 

[Antiillafire]

Just scored his first (non shootout) Allsvenskan goal!

 

[ijuka]

It´s not that Slovakia didn´t help for his development. He started to play there then every year after the season he played with Slafkovsky and co. in the international tournaments and also last season he spent in Slovakia. And yes, he trains with the Slovak coach in Stockholm. So he definitely isn´t product only of Swedish development, it´s kind of mix.

No, Slovakian development coaching is weak. Players who are talented are sent to other countries to train early on. By 9 you essentially can notice that they're talented but the game's mostly for fun at that point and it's hard to give any meaningful credit for development for players at that age. So yes, he's purely a product of the Swedish system.

 

[Eye of Ra]

No, Slovakian development coaching is weak. Players who are talented are sent to other countries to train early on. By 9 you essentially can notice that they're talented but the game's mostly for fun at that point and it's hard to give any meaningful credit for development for players at that age. So yes, he's purely a product of the Swedish system.

so why then have slovakia had and have so many good players if slovakian development coaching is weak?

Also its about the skills and hockey-sense this guy is born with. This guy would still be as good even if he stayed in Slovakia or played in Austria or whatever.