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F Charlie Stramel - University of Michigan, NCAA (2023, 21st, MIN)

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The idea he's a product of Howard is hilarious.

Howard is not an elite skill/skating/distributor guy. He's an opportunistic small floaty goal scorer. Yeah, his passing and stick skills are still pretty good for college hockey and his average skating for his size isn't going to be much of an issue against kids his own age, but the idea that he's feeding Stramel tap-ins and Stramel does nothing is ridiculous.

How about you look at that most recent goal? Stramel made a great play to get it to Howard in a scoring position. Give him some credit, will some of you?
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
The idea he's a product of Howard is hilarious.

Howard is not an elite skill/skating/distributor guy. He's an opportunistic small floaty goal scorer. Yeah, his passing and stick skills are still pretty good for college hockey and his average skating for his size isn't going to be much of an issue against kids his own age, but the idea that he's feeding Stramel tap-ins and Stramel does nothing is ridiculous.

How about you look at that most recent goal? Stramel made a great play to get it to Howard in a scoring position. Give him some credit, will some of you?
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And Stramel is even further away from any of those than Howard is.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Okay, so what’s your point? No one said Howard is.

My point is Howard does not possess a skillset where one could be a product of him.
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Stramel played with Howard a lot + Howard had 2x the production as Stramel = Stramel's production was benefitted by Howard. Or are you saying that Stramel is probably just as productive if Howard was swapped out with a 30 point winger? Because that's complete nonsense.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Stramel played with Howard a lot + Howard had 2x the production as Stramel = Stramel's production was benefitted by Howard. Or are you saying that Stramel is probably just as productive if Howard was swapped out with a 30 point winger? Because that's complete nonsense.
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I literally said Stramel is not a product of Howard. I think it’s clear what that means.

No, I don’t think players totals tend to rise when you give them worse linemates, but I don’t think Howard is the style of player that is necessarily easy to leach points off of, which is what I was responding too.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
I literally said Stramel is not a product of Howard. I think it’s clear what that means.

No, I don’t think players totals tend to rise when you give them worse linemates, but I don’t think Howard is the style of player that is necessarily easy to leach points off of, which is what I was responding too.
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And I literally disagree with you.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
With a "good" winger, instead of a Hobey Baker nominee, he probably has a 15 point Junior season.

6'3" goes a looooooooooong way.
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Junior with an asterisk, given the accelerated path he took. And he’s playing the PK, winning draws and playing big minutes on a Top 5 team in the country.

6’3” RHS with a good motor and decent hands does go a long way. Especially when you’re one of the best athletes in your draft class.
 
MNRube said:
Junior with an asterisk, given the accelerated path he took. And he’s playing the PK, winning draws and playing big minutes on a Top 5 team in the country.

6’3” RHS with a good motor and decent hands does go a long way. Especially when you’re one of the best athletes in your draft class.
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So are other guys that have no NHL future.
 
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MNRube said:
If you put your foot in your mouth, it’s ok. We had this same discussion awhile back when you tried to compare him to Jaxon Nelson
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lol, I haven't sold that stock yet. Nelson's 20 year old production is about what Stramel's would be if he didn't have Howard on his wing.

I do like how screwing up his own development by going to college too early is somehow a feather in his cap though.
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
He could still be a 3C if everything works out. But if he's only a solid 4C with size and skating ability, that's a perfectly fine outcome for a late first rounder. Obviously they were hoping he'd be more of a middle 6C+, but he's still likely to become a full time NHLer.

I think I had him around 27 in my final rankings, so he was drafted a bit higher than I would have taken him, but I don't think it was an egregious pick by any means.
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That's like a B-/C+ outcome for draft position depending on how much legwork "solid" is doing in modification of 4C. Reality is those guys get passed around the League pretty routinely and you can fill that spot rather easily for cheap by alternative means. This is where "ehh to hell with our draft picks" comes into play for any team with a moderately competitive short to medium term horizon. You'll always find player to play games, by nature anyone in the NHL is playing games. Just drafting/developing late 1st rounders and beyond to churn through to fill out roster spots until they move around a bunch in their prime years wouldn't have much of an appeal as far as trying to win.

Guess it's worth clarifying if you mean perfectly fine outcome for Stramel the human (gets to play in a lot of NHL games, collect NHL salaries) or for the drafting team.
 
WarriorofTime said:
That's like a B-/C+ outcome for draft position depending on how much legwork "solid" is doing in modification of 4C. Reality is those guys get passed around the League pretty routinely and you can fill that spot rather easily for cheap by alternative means.
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I think it's harder to find good, reliable 4Cs than you think.

4th line energy wingers? Easy peasy. But for me a big, smooth skating 4C who can be trusted defensively is worth the equivalent of a middle 6 winger.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
lol, I haven't sold that stock yet. Nelson's 20 year old production is about what Stramel's would be if he didn't have Howard on his wing.

I do like how screwing up his own development by going to college too early is somehow a feather in his cap though.
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Nelson had 10 points in 26 games, so not even close. He also had no physical presence whatsoever. Always was a lazy comparison.

You act like Stramel is just 6’3. He is also a specimen who scored extremely high in athletic testing at the combine. Just lazy take after lazy take.

Nobody is saying it was a good pick or that he’s going to be a surefire difference maker in the NHL. How do you know Howard doesn’t benefit from playing with Stramel as well? His scoring is up 50% this year.
 
MNRube said:
Nelson had 10 points in 26 games, so not even close. He also had no physical presence whatsoever. Always was a lazy comparison.

You act like Stramel is just 6’3. He is also a specimen who scored extremely high in athletic testing at the combine. Just lazy take after lazy take.

Nobody is saying it was a good pick or that he’s going to be a surefire difference maker in the NHL. How do you know Howard doesn’t benefit from playing with Stramel as well? His scoring is up 50% this year.
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Nelson's 20 year old season was the 2020-21 season, and he had 15 points in 31 games, which is what I would predict Stramel to score if he didn't have a Hobey nominee on his wing.

You can't imagine how much I don't care about his off-ice testing scores if they don't translate to anything special on the ice.

Howard actually has high level production in his past. What a fool I am that I might think the 51 point player might benefit the 26 point player more than the other way around. Maybe Hartman benefitted Kaprizov more than Kaprizov benefitted Hartman in 2021-22 too.
 
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MNRube said:
Nelson had 10 points in 26 games, so not even close. He also had no physical presence whatsoever. Always was a lazy comparison.

You act like Stramel is just 6’3. He is also a specimen who scored extremely high in athletic testing at the combine. Just lazy take after lazy take.

Nobody is saying it was a good pick or that he’s going to be a surefire difference maker in the NHL. How do you know Howard doesn’t benefit from playing with Stramel as well? His scoring is up 50% this year.
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There are absolutely people saying that in this thread let alone this page
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Nelson's 20 year old season was the 2020-21 season, and he had 15 points in 31 games, which is what I would predict Stramel to score if he didn't have a Hobey nominee on his wing.

You can't imagine how much I don't care about his off-ice testing scores if they don't translate to anything special on the ice.

Howard actually has high level production in his past. What a fool I am that I might think the 51 point player might benefit the 26 point player more than the other way around. Maybe Hartman benefitted Kaprizov more than Kaprizov benefitted Hartman in 2021-22 too.
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Nobody said that. Just impossible to even discuss when someone argues so disingenuously.
 
josra33 said:
Don’t even bother with him. He’s got the biggest hard on for Stramel. He could put up 0 points with McDavid and he’d still tell you he’s where he’s supposed to be production wise
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On the contrary, some Minnesota fans have a hard on for hating Stramel. He could literally lead MSU to a championship with his solid 2-way and all situations play and some will still say "HoBeY nOmInEe On HiS wInG."
 
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DigitalBoldy said:
On the contrary, some Minnesota fans have a hard on for hating Stramel. He could literally lead MSU to a championship with his solid 2-way and all situations play and some will still say "HoBeY nOmInEe On HiS wInG."
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lol, yes, if MSU wins the title, it will be Stramel's solid 2-way play that leads them there.
 
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