F Cayden Lindstrom - Medicine Hat Tigers, WHL (2024, 4th, CBJ)

[viceroy]

I'm of 2 minds about this. First off I'd say he lacks "hockey dans le corps." ie The guy needs more reps on the ice. On the flip side he gets to train more in the NCAA. However didn't he get hurt training?

Some guys get too jacked and over train. A good friend of mine played for Nebraska and he told me the guys that got hurt all the time were the super cut dudes.

Anywho good luck to the kid.

 

[stevo61]

I'm of 2 minds about this. First off I'd say he lacks "hockey dans le corps." ie The guy needs more reps on the ice. On the flip side he gets to train more in the NCAA. However didn't he get hurt training?

Some guys get too jacked and over train. A good friend of mine played for Nebraska and he told me the guys that got hurt all the time were the super cut dudes.

Anywho good luck to the kid.

There would be a lot to unpack in here like how is their form when training, how is their workout structured, how do they prioritize rest vs having fun, etc so that would be a wild oversimplification of why people are getting hurt. He's not going to get hurt by being "too jacked" that's kind of crazy talk bit I think the point is to not take from 0 to 100 right off the bat. It would be much easier to manage his workload and continue to develop full body strength with a lesser schedule but on the flipside he will also be competing against older and stronger guys so there will be plenty of value for Lindstroms game on and off the ice

 

[viceroy]

He's not going to get hurt by being "too jacked" that's kind of crazy talk...

That's the thing. My friend told me it was essential to have a certain level of fat to avoid injury and some guys just trained to train. Whereas the serious guys trained to get stronger, faster and more powerful. Others trained in the gym like they wanted to be bodybuilders.

 

[stevo61]

That's the thing. My friend told me it was essential to have a certain level of fat to avoid injury and some guys just trained to train. Whereas the serious guys trained to get stronger, faster and more powerful. Others trained in the gym like they wanted to be bodybuilders.

You can be jacked and functional. Bodybuilding training would definitely be an issue but if you do it properly and are a bit of a psycho you get the Brind'Amours of the world

 

[majormajor]

That's the thing. My friend told me it was essential to have a certain level of fat to avoid injury and some guys just trained to train. Whereas the serious guys trained to get stronger, faster and more powerful. Others trained in the gym like they wanted to be bodybuilders.

All of the information about optimal training for sustainable health is out there for Lindstrom's trainers in Columbus and presumably the staff at MSU. They're not going to use his gym time just to turn him into a bodybuilder.

 

[Bubbles]

All the best to him and it does seem like a good move for him at his development stage and after (most likely) missing all of this year.

As a WHL fan, it does kind of stink to see a player of his capability leave, but for him as a player and as a person, it's probably for the best. No shade to Med Hat or the CHL, but there's way more money in NCAA facilities, and along with a schedule of less games, will probably help in his recovery and development.

I do wonder how Med Hat responds (re: WHL season play and team management) because that'll be another quality player they won't have next year and I'm already not as bullish on them next season as a lot of people are.

Considering they were the top team in the Eastern Conference while missing Lindstrom and Basha for most of the season, they will do fine next year. The Ruck brothers are probably going to take another step, and McKenna will be back (not believing in all this 50/50 business. )

 

[viceroy]

...if you do it properly and are a bit of a psycho you get the Brind'Amours of the world

Rod wasn't a bodybuilder. He was fit and strong akin to that old Bobby Hull pic. He wasn't chasing after 20" arms. PK Subban is an NHL'er that trained all wrong and shortened his career.

All of the information about optimal training for sustainable health is out there for Lindstrom's trainers in Columbus and presumably the staff at MSU. They're not going to use his gym time just to turn him into a bodybuilder.

He's an adult. He'll do what he'll do in the gym. If everyone did what they were supposed to you'd have a lot more guys competing for the NHL. I'll always remember Louis Leblanc, for years people told him to pack on mass yet he never did. One year people said he took on a bunch of muscle, met him that year, as scrawny as ever.

 

[stevo61]

Rod wasn't a bodybuilder. He was fit and strong akin to that old Bobby Hull pic. He wasn't chasing after 20" arms. PK Subban is an NHL'er that trained all wrong and shortened his career.



He's an adult. He'll do what he'll do in the gym. If everyone did what they were supposed to you'd have a lot more guys competing for the NHL. I'll always remember Louis Leblanc, for years people told him to pack on mass yet he never did. One year people said he took on a bunch of muscle, met him that year, as scrawny as ever.

Rod was jacked in every sense of the word which was my point.You can be both. After what Lindstrom has gone through I dont think it's crazy he will be receptive to what is laid out to him if he is led to believe it is the best for his career and life in general. Lindstrom is a big kid with a big frame as it is, he's going to be a large man someday and whether he carries 12% body fat, 18% or whatever other number it will be mostly based around genetics and how he feels at any given %. Pretty individualized thing for best results.

There could be something to it if they are out doing cuts and get to low single digits body fat % but I still think it's as much as case of correlation doesn't always equal causation

 

[CBJx614]

Rod wasn't a bodybuilder. He was fit and strong akin to that old Bobby Hull pic. He wasn't chasing after 20" arms. PK Subban is an NHL'er that trained all wrong and shortened his career.



He's an adult. He'll do what he'll do in the gym. If everyone did what they were supposed to you'd have a lot more guys competing for the NHL. I'll always remember Louis Leblanc, for years people told him to pack on mass yet he never did. One year people said he took on a bunch of muscle, met him that year, as scrawny as ever.

It's not like he's going into MSU blind. He's been in Columbus all season with the staff training. Unless they are completely incompetent, he's on a workout plan that's being closely monitored. He's going to be sent to MSU with a regiment and a plan. They will be in contact with him all season.

 

[frontsfan67]

At this point it appears to be all about caution and we don't have any word of any lingering ill-health. So it's not that he isn't healthy enough to play for Medicine Hat, it's likely that they just put little priority on him playing there, including this upcoming playoffs. They would rather focus on skills training and off ice training which is lower risk, until next Fall when he can join the NCAA.

If that’s the case he doesn’t sound like a big competitor and CBJ really shit the bed with that pick

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Oh no I hurt the Columbus fans feelings

If he’s not playing and he’s healthy then Columbus got a prima donna at #4 overall

Guy is clearly not healthy yet. And as I said if he gets healthy he will be playing for Medicine Hat obviously

You're lost. Troll elsewhere.

 

[majormajor]

I know this may be hard for a junior focused fan to understand, but NHL clubs don't draft players for what they'll do in junior, they're focused on what he'll do in the NHL some day. And the Blue Jackets are the ones deciding whether to send him to junior (likely not sending him), it's not a reflection on Lindstrom's character.

There's also a post-surgical period where a player is (1) pain free and moving well (both already established with Lindstrom) but (2) still not advised to subject their body to crash and bang type conditions. We're in that period now.

 

[2Mototik2]

Considering they were the top team in the Eastern Conference while missing Lindstrom and Basha for most of the season, they will do fine next year. The Ruck brothers are probably going to take another step, and McKenna will be back (not believing in all this 50/50 business. )

My thinking, not to derail this thread from Lindstrom, is that while they missed Basha and Lindstrom, they are going to lose the quality players next year who were able to step up in their place.

Their group of 05's (so next year's 20's) aren't all that inspiring besides Basha and St. Martin who are both signed and eligible to play in the AHL, so their return isn't up to Med Hat's discretion. I like their 06 crop a decent amount, the other two 07s (not named McKenna or Switzer) are also not super inspiring and then there's the Ruck twins and Gordon-Carroll as the 08s who are good to varying extents, but are still young.

I just feel they have a lot of unknowns going into next year and players who will need to take another step or else they will be even more of the McKenna show.

 

[frontsfan67]

No he won't. Columbus FO doesn't want to take any chances. He hasn't played all season and they aren't going to send him back to Jrs after working him back to this point. Him having a healthy off-season where he can go 100% all summer is more important than a playoff run for a jr club. It's all risk and 0 upside for CBJ to send him back for less than a month.

So playing games at a lower competition to get your legs back etc means nothing?? Instead throw him in with men and hope for the best?

 

[frontsfan67]

I know this may be hard for a junior focused fan to understand, but NHL clubs don't draft players for what they'll do in junior, they're focused on what he'll do in the NHL some day. And the Blue Jackets are the ones deciding whether to send him to junior (likely not sending him), it's not a reflection on Lindstrom's character.

There's also a post-surgical period where a player is (1) pain free and moving well (both already established with Lindstrom) but (2) still not advised to subject their body to crash and bang type conditions. We're in that period now.

Obviously you don’t wanna rush the guy.

My point is- is he going to take a big period of time off like landeskog?? When will guy be ready? Probably makes more sense to get legs going, working back into it with lower competition if he is ready vs hoping for the best after not playing any hockey for a year and a half at a still very young age. If he’s completely healthy why is he not playing?

 

[CBJx614]

So playing games at a lower competition to get your legs back etc means nothing?? Instead throw him in with men and hope for the best?

Like I said, the risk isn't worth the reward. What if he has a freak accident and tears an ACL or gets hurt in some other way.. It's not like he's gonna have a bunch of regular season games to get back into game shape before playing in playoff hockey. I'll a take full,off-season of continuing his rehab and getting ready for next season rather than 10-20 games against lower competition.

He's better served staying in Columbus, training with an NHL staff and hanging around the NHL team in the heat of a NHL playoff push.

 

[Dr Quincy]

If that’s the case he doesn’t sound like a big competitor and CBJ really shit the bed with that pick

I'm sure he's a competitor, but his priority is on his own best future first, and the professional organization 2nd. Doing what's best for his JR team that he wouldn't be playing for next year anyway is way down the list.

 

[frontsfan67]

Like I said, the risk isn't worth the reward. What if he has a freak accident and tears an ACL or gets hurt in some other way.. It's not like he's gonna have a bunch of regular season games to get back into game shape before playing in playoff hockey. I'll a take full,off-season of continuing his rehab and getting ready for next season rather than 10-20 games against lower competition.

He's better served staying in Columbus, training with an NHL staff and hanging around the NHL team in the heat of a NHL playoff push.

Could tear his ACL walking down the stairs like John wall years ago in the NBA. Can’t be scared to play.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Could tear his ACL walking down the stairs like John wall years ago in the NBA. Can’t be scared to play.

He'll be playing against more age appropriate competition in the NCAA. No point going back to the Dub to dominate younger guys at this point IMHO.

 

[seafoam]

I like the NCAA transition for him.

 

[frontsfan67]

He'll be playing against more age appropriate competition in the NCAA. No point going back to the Dub to dominate younger guys at this point IMHO.

Would it really be domination though that’s my big question. He’s been out all year and a good chunk of last year. We see all the time big name guys start off slow. In my opinion and I don’t care if others agree cause this is my opinion- he would be very stupid to not get some games in.