F Anton Frondell - Djurgårdens IF U16, U16 Div.1 (2025 Draft)

[Garl]

Classic swedish modesty on display guys

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

yeah let’s draw big conclusions after he ONLY scored 6 points in 4 games at 5 nations (3 of which against the US) and ignore that he is pacing to have one of the best u18 seasons ever in Hockeyallsvenskan while dealing with injuries for a big part of the season.

I have Hagens ahead but it’s not guaranteed that the older, smaller forward who hasn’t delivered up to expectations this year goes before Frondell.

How do you reconcile these two inconsistent statements?

So Hagens has competent yet not amazing scoring numbers this year and you're essentially saying all you can to tear him down yet you're willing to overlook times Frondell hasn't met expectations (certainly expectations you'd expect for the types of things you're suggesting)?

Completely hypocritical standards you're enforcing there.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

How do you reconcile these two inconsistent statements?

So Hagens has competent yet not amazing scoring numbers this year and you're essentially saying all you can to tear him down yet you're willing to overlook times Frondell hasn't met expectations (certainly expectations you'd expect for the types of things you're suggesting)?

Completely hypocritical standards you're enforcing there.

The argument from both posts are consistent. The injuries are what bogged down Frondell. And now the injuries are behind him, Frondell's talent is skyrocketing. The OP still thinks Hagens is the top dog, but other players are closing in on him b/c Hagens is competent, but that lack of amazing is probably why Hagens isn't the consensus #1 that he was projected to be when this draft season started. It happens, see Finnish prospects Raty and Lambert as recent projected #1 who have faltered in their draft year.

The OP isn't the only one thinking that Hagens is dropping and Frondell is rising. Craig Button thinks Frondell and Martone passed Hagens up in his mid-term ranking. And that's before Frondell recent explosion. Button also agrees with you that Misa isn't the best forward in the draft. It's a preliminary in-win for everyone.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The argument from both posts are consistent. The injuries are what bogged down Frondell. And now the injuries are behind him, Frondell's talent is skyrocketing. The OP still thinks Hagens is the top dog, but other players are closing in on him b/c Hagens is competent, but that lack of amazing is probably why Hagens isn't the consensus #1 that he was projected to be when this draft season started. It happens, see Finnish prospects Raty and Lambert as recent projected #1 who have faltered in their draft year.

The OP isn't the only one thinking that Hagens is dropping and Frondell is rising. Craig Button thinks Frondell and Martone passed Hagens up in his mid-term ranking. And that's before Frondell recent explosion. Button also agrees with you that Misa isn't the best forward in the draft. It's a preliminary in-win for everyone.

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No offense, but you didn't address a single thing that was being discussed.

 

[eklund2chicago]

How do you reconcile these two inconsistent statements?

So Hagens has competent yet not amazing scoring numbers this year and you're essentially saying all you can to tear him down yet you're willing to overlook times Frondell hasn't met expectations (certainly expectations you'd expect for the types of things you're suggesting)?

Completely hypocritical standards you're enforcing there.

How are they inconsistent?

Statement 1. I am saying it is weird to draw conclusions after four games while ignoring his play in the Hockeyallsvenskan.

Statement 2. I have Hagens ahead but it’s not too surprising if GMs would like the bigger, younger forward who has taken huge steps after being injured from like April to November, while Hagens hasn’t developed a whole lot.

 

[lanky]

So probably, 5-10 range for me personally. Really like kids at the top, so I personally don’t see him in the top 3 conversation at this stage.

Scouts don't like to change their rankings too quickly, so I don't think we'll see this reflected for a few months, but I think Frondell is very much back in the top 3 conversation. I'd have him above Martone in my top 5.

 

[SEALBound]

The argument from both posts are consistent. The injuries are what bogged down Frondell. And now the injuries are behind him, Frondell's talent is skyrocketing. The OP still thinks Hagens is the top dog, but other players are closing in on him b/c Hagens is competent, but that lack of amazing is probably why Hagens isn't the consensus #1 that he was projected to be when this draft season started. It happens, see Finnish prospects Raty and Lambert as recent projected #1 who have faltered in their draft year.

The OP isn't the only one thinking that Hagens is dropping and Frondell is rising. Craig Button thinks Frondell and Martone passed Hagens up in his mid-term ranking. And that's before Frondell recent explosion. Button also agrees with you that Misa isn't the best forward in the draft. It's a preliminary in-win for everyone.

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This little hot streak he's been on lately has really altered my perception about the strength of the top talents. It went from a Top 4 to a Top 5 with the inclusion of Frondell but I just cannot see him going before Misa and Hagens. I could see Martone if there is a preference for center.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

How are they inconsistent?

Statement 1. I am saying it is weird to draw conclusions after four games while ignoring his play in the Hockeyallsvenskan.

Statement 2. I have Hagens ahead but it’s not too surprising if GMs would like the bigger, younger forward who has taken huge steps after being injured from like April to November, while Hagens hasn’t developed a whole lot.

It’s inconsistent because you’re willfully ignoring important data of Frondell that was respectable yet not great and doing essentially the opposite with Hagens (criticizing him for it).

You yourself suggested international hockey could matter and help Frondell later on, yet the earlier international hockey earlier this month is only four games?

Obviously you are trying to push an outcome hard. Be consistent.

 

[eklund2chicago]

It’s inconsistent because you’re willfully ignoring important data of Frondell that was respectable yet not great and doing essentially the opposite with Hagens (criticizing him for it).

You yourself suggested international hockey could matter and help Frondell later on, yet the earlier international hockey earlier this month is only four games?

Obviously you are trying to push an outcome hard. Be consistent.

Okay so you mean that GMs value 5 nations the same as they do the u18? Because they don’t. Therefore a strong U18 will matter more than 5 nations, in which Frondell wasn’t even bad. It’s not the same since it’s four games vs Hagens entire season.

Frondell has been improving while Hagens development has stagnated. As I said I have Hagens ahead but it would not be too surprising if Frondell went ahead of him if he keeps playing at this level for the remaining part of the season.

 

[Gazewithin]

I don't have anything to add to any discussion about where Frondell ranks compared with non-swedes, but it's great that he has found his stride when it comes to scoring in allsvenskan. His shot and hands have the potential to be high-end even at the NHL. I'm still not sure where his skating takes him when it comes to being a offensive driver as opposed to a finisher, but he does havea good two-way game. Also he has gotten way faster as the season progressed, so with so more runway without injuries it might not be an issue, even though it will never be a strength of his.

 

[Captain Clutch]

I'd be shocked if Frondell went ahead of Hagens, to put it mildly. Hagens is going to be a very good NHL player, and I think highly of Frondell. I think Frondell's skating will improve though as others have pointed out, he'll never be a burner. Hagens is a much better skater and was dangerous throughout the WJC, despite being an 18 year old he had 9 points in 7 games.

It was really interesting watching the 4 Nations final tonight because the most impactful players on the ice could really move well. Mackinnon, Makar, McDavid, Point for the Canadian team were all dangerous all night. Guentzel, Eichel, Larkin, Sanderson for the U.S. If you want to be elite in the NHL, you had better have great wheels these days.

 

[VictorLustig]

I'd be shocked if Frondell went ahead of Hagens, to put it mildly. Hagens is going to be a very good NHL player, and I think highly of Frondell. I think Frondell's skating will improve though as others have pointed out, he'll never be a burner. Hagens is a much better skater and was dangerous throughout the WJC, despite being an 18 year old he had 9 points in 7 games.

It was really interesting watching the 4 Nations final tonight because the most impactful players on the ice could really move well. Mackinnon, Makar, McDavid, Point for the Canadian team were all dangerous all night. Guentzel, Eichel, Larkin, Sanderson for the U.S. If you want to be elite in the NHL, you had better have great wheels these days.

Draisaitl? Barkov? Rantanen? They were all critizised for their skating with long discussions here. Give me one of those before any prospect in this draft please. There are a ton of great skaters who never made it to the NHL, it’s all about the overall package.

 

[Captain Clutch]

The comparison was between Hagens & Frondell, I'm not sure why you are pulling elite NHL players into the equation? I agree, neither of Frondell or Hagens seem to have that type of upside. I happen to think that Hagens is the better prospect because of his combination of skating, smarts and playmaking ability. I think because of that he will be drafted before Frondell. I guess we will see? Frondell is also a very smart player, probably a better defender and quite a bit sturdier. As to who has the better career, there are so many factors that go into that, its impossible to predict but as I said in my last post, I like them both, just Hagens a bit more.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

It was really interesting watching the 4 Nations final tonight because the most impactful players on the ice could really move well. Mackinnon, Makar, McDavid, Point for the Canadian team were all dangerous all night. Guentzel, Eichel, Larkin, Sanderson for the U.S. If you want to be elite in the NHL, you had better have great wheels these days.

I would not say Guentzel has great wheels. He's about average.

Neither of the Tkachuks are good skaters and we know they're impact players.

 

[VictorLustig]

The comparison was between Hagens & Frondell, I'm not sure why you are pulling elite NHL players into the equation? I agree, neither of Frondell or Hagens seem to have that type of upside. I happen to think that Hagens is the better prospect because of his combination of skating, smarts and playmaking ability. I think because of that he will be drafted before Frondell. I guess we will see? Frondell is also a very smart player, probably a better defender and quite a bit sturdier. As to who has the better career, there are so many factors that go into that, its impossible to predict but as I said in my last post, I like them both, just Hagens a bit more.

”If you want to be elite in the NHL, you had better have great wheels these days.”

 

[Mjul Qvist]

I would not say Guentzel has great wheels. He's about average.

Neither of the Tkachuks are good skaters and we know they're impact players.

How about Reinhart?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Doesn’t really matter but I’m curious what he measures at combine. Looks bigger than 6’ flat but always hard to tell in hockey when they’re on skates.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

How about Reinhart?

Also qualifies

 

[coooldude]

It was really interesting watching the 4 Nations final tonight because the most impactful players on the ice could really move well. Mackinnon, Makar, McDavid, Point for the Canadian team were all dangerous all night. Guentzel, Eichel, Larkin, Sanderson for the U.S. If you want to be elite in the NHL, you had better have great wheels these days.

Counterpoint is that Hughes looked especially ineffective and was getting blown up all over the ice. The short guys who were effective were thicc bois like Point and Marchand. Marner is about Hagen's size and looked good out there so that's an upside case for him, but I don't think the case is very clear that Hagens is a better prospect than Frondell based solely on the 4 nations and extrapolating player types.