Confirmed Signing with Link: F Alex Formenton signs with HC Ambrì-Piotta in Swiss league

[DaveMatthew]

i think if he signed, he would have gotten suspended. They loan him to Europe.

He definitely wouldn't have gotten suspended by the Senators. Not during the league's investigation. No team was jumping the gun. Maybe suspensions will come down after those findings are released, we'll see.

If he signed to QO he'd be playing pending the investigation. Batherson was signed and is playing. It'd be no different.

 

[bert]

So much for the Summer of Pierre amiright.

Never been a believer in Dorion, I started the fire Dorion thread over 2 years ago. I know this one felt good for you, so im happy for you. One step forward two steps back. When they were healthy they were playing well but just shows how far they have to come when they are unable to deal with injuries. But having a GM with 0 foresight into possible injuries or players not playing is a terrible weakness.

i think if he signed, he would have gotten suspended. They loan him to Europe.

Why? All 7 other players are playing. Still waiting for your response to my other post.

If you read between the lines, it could mean that there is a difference between what the investigation might reveal about Formenton, compared to Batherson

Nope you are making up the lines to fit your narrative. There were 8 players not 2. Has absolutely everything to do with having a contract. It wasn't exclusively Ottawa Senators players, which seems to be something lost in this but probably has more to do with Leafs and Habs fans not having a player involved and enjoy piling on.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Sens should have signed him. If he is proven guilty of something terminate contract then

 

[Gilmour1996]

In real life just an allegation can kill a career.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

In real life just an allegation can kill a career.

that is true, weird I got a notification for this comment though

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

The scandal broke in May 2022, QO's were extended/had to be accepted by the end of June.

The Senators extended the offer after they knew of the situation.

And I think the party that made the mistake was Formenton's agent. He made the bet that by December 1st, the players would be publicly cleared and/or this all would have blown over, and he'd then be able to get Formenton a multi-year raise from Ottawa or another team.

He bet wrong. Ottawa didn't offer a contract after the QO, and no other team had interest in trading for him. (Ottawa was reportedly just asking for a 2nd/3rd round draft pick in return)

If he had signed the QO, Formenton would be playing in the NHL just like all the other players from that junior team. Had he put up good numbers, he could have tried at a longer extension next summer. Now, he'll likely have to settle for a 1-year deal at a similar amount to the QO that was extended this summer.

I would say both parties, his agent for not having him accept the QO and the Sens for not offering him a cheap deal to get him signed. I don't understand why they never went back to the table with him, if this isn't resolved by June they'll be right back in the same spot they were in last summer.

 

[gritdash60]

Edit: oh ok he's part of that group.

 

[KevinRedkey]

So much for the Summer of Pierre amiright.

It was a relative term. For his standards, it was amazing. lol

 

[Arthur Morgan]

That's fair. I overlooked the post you quoted. My apologies.

all good man. I figured something like that haha. and no worries at all. Ive had my moments like this too hahah

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Never been a believer in Dorion, I started the fire Dorion thread over 2 years ago. I know this one felt good for you, so im happy for you. One step forward two steps back. When they were healthy they were playing well but just shows how far they have to come when they are unable to deal with injuries. But having a GM with 0 foresight into possible injuries or players not playing is a terrible weakness.


Why? All 7 other players are playing. Still waiting for your response to my other post.


Nope you are making up the lines to fit your narrative. There were 8 players not 2. Has absolutely everything to do with having a contract. It wasn't exclusively Ottawa Senators players, which seems to be something lost in this but probably has more to do with Leafs and Habs fans not having a player involved and enjoy piling on.

Not Leafs or Habs fan. Actually, I'm a Flames fan and one of our players, Dillon Dube was on that Team Canada WJC squad.

Honestly, my information on Formenton is based entirely on media speculation of why he wasn't signed. I mean it is a little fishy, but I suppose they might also be connecting the dots and not have any actual evidence of what Formenton may or may not have done. Perhaps, this is just a contract dispute and had nothing to do with the allegations

 

[mouser]

So just to summarize he declined his QO before the story broke, and then they didn't come to an agreement. But won't Ottawa need to offer him another QO next summer? I doubt this will be resolved by then. So Ottawa can either offer him a QO or let him walk? Rock/hard place.

No.

QO’s are given to pending RFAs on expiring contracts, so the team holds the player RFA rights.

Formenton is no longer a pending RFA on a expiring contract. Ottawa owns his RFA rights until he signs a contract or becomes eligible for UFA at age 27. No further QO is necessary to continue to hold his RFA rights.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Is this a Roman Polanski type deal?

 

[Treb]

Just sign him to his QO. They should have just done what the swiss team did. Just another major Dorion Blunder. The craziest thing about all of this was giving away Connor Brown not knowing if they would sign Formenton. New ownership cant come soon enough.

What are you going on about? Teams cannot just sign someone to their QO. They can offer their QO (which Ottawa did), but Formenton rejected it.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Surprised PD is taking flak for this. SENS did the right thing considering all the speculation which I don't subscribe to necessarily but it is what it is. No sense poking the hornets nest of public criticism. As much as many of us hate that, in this case it is the prudent angle to take.

Let him sit it out until there is clarity, and sure use the guise of the contract to brush it away. If he is guilty you'll be happy you did and you've set a bit of an example. If he isn't you sign him next year and you still have opportunity to retain control.

This will be done within the year, I don't see the harm in waiting it out.

Alternatively, if he is genuinely holding out... Well, he is a 32 pt RFA with 109 games under his belt so make yourself comfortable if you think you have leverage.

 

[CookiesAndMilk]

Apparently the Swiss are neutral on many subjects.

Jake Virtanen also signed a contract in the 2nd highest Swiss league.

 

[Ciao]

Interesting in their release they talk about the investigation. L'HCAP ingaggia Alex Formenton

HCAP signs Alex Formenton​

The Ambrì-Piotta Hockey Club is pleased to announce the signing of forward Alex Formenton until the end of the 2022/2023 season.

. . . Should the new investigation by the Canadian police reveal elements that are currently unknown, the Club and the player have reserved the right to reevaluate their contractual relationship . . .

It's not surprising that he landed in Europe and outside the NHL once the police investigation was reopened.

I don't think the NHL CBA would allow a clause that might potentially terminate a player contract as reserved by the Swiss club.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

What are you going on about? Teams cannot just sign someone to their QO. They can offer their QO (which Ottawa did), but Formenton rejected it.

Additionally, there would have been quite a gap between his QO and what he would normally have gotten on a new contract. He had a pretty decent season with 18 goals and ought to have gotten something in the neighborhood of $2-3M even on a bridge deal. But coming off his ELC, his QO probably would have been barely above the league minimum. So I don't think it represents any major mistake on the part of Formenton's agent to have not taken that QO. I doubt they expected things would drag out as they have with the investigation, and the gap between his QO and anticipated payday was significant enough that it was worth waiting in the expectation that it would blow over more quickly.

 

[beowulf]

Had to make money somehow given he cannot play in the NHL this season.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Is this a Roman Polanski type deal?

We'll know if Formenton returns to the NHL next season and wins the Masterton.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

No.

QO’s are given to pending RFAs on expiring contracts, so the team holds the player RFA rights.

Formenton is no longer a pending RFA on a expiring contract. Ottawa owns his RFA rights until he signs a contract or becomes eligible for UFA at age 27. No further QO is necessary to continue to hold his RFA rights.

Interesting, I don't think it'll get to this point but what if this investigation isn't resolved by next summer and the Sens don't offer him another contract. The PA would get involved I'm guessing?

 

[Djp]

Interesting, I don't think it'll get to this point but what if this investigation isn't resolved by next summer and the Sens don't offer him another contract. The PA would get involved I'm guessing?

I don’t think they need to QO him next summer because he went to Europe

 

[mouser]

Interesting, I don't think it'll get to this point but what if this investigation isn't resolved by next summer and the Sens don't offer him another contract. The PA would get involved I'm guessing?

They could always file a grievance. Though I don't recall one for exactly this sort of issue, so no idea how much merit it would be viewed as having.

 

[Slats432]

They could always file a grievance. Though I don't recall one for exactly this sort of issue, so no idea how much merit it would be viewed as having.

Any team could sign him now to an offer sheet. Team isn't doing anything other than saying we don't want you right now. Along with 31 other NHL teams.

 

[mouser]

Any team could sign him now to an offer sheet. Team isn't doing anything other than saying we don't want you right now. Along with 31 other NHL teams.

Nope. Formenton is not eligible to sign an Offer Sheet until July 1st 2023.

The Dec 1st deadline for signing RFAs this season has passed.

 

[Slats432]

Nope. Formenton is not eligible to sign an Offer Sheet until July 1st 2023.

The Dec 1st deadline for signing RFAs this season has passed.

I know that. Was trying to point out that there was nothing that anyone did that could give reason to file a grievance. Up until Dec 1 Formenton could have signed anywhere. Sens did nothing wrong by walking away.