Speculation: Expansion draft - who are you protecting?

[daethfromabove1979]

I liked Kerfoot in the playoffs but unfortunately he doesn’t bring enough for his salary, he’s gotta go no matter what so hoping he gets claimed. Gotta think Hakstol will make a good choice, to think we only lost Brendan Leipsic to Vegas is pretty wild.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Leafs signed Dermy cause they know Seattle/Hakstol wanted him .. who will Seattle take between Kerfoot and Holl that is da question now?

 

[Apex Predator]

I’m good with exposing Holl and hope they take him.

 

[zeke]

If the Leafs still had Kadri would there be any reasonable expectation he would be the one exposed to expansion?

yeah I would guess he'd be a lock to be exposed.

 

[hamzarocks]

yeah I would guess he'd be a lock to be exposed.

Why wouldn't the leafs just go 7 and 3 option if we had him?

Kadri > Dermott and Holl so you lose 1 of those guys but keep the big 4 + Kadri + Spezza + Engvall

 

[zeke]

Why wouldn't the leafs just go 7 and 3 option if we had him?

Kadri > Dermott and Holl so you lose 1 of those guys but keep the big 4 + Kadri + Spezza + Engvall

don't think there's any chance they'd protect Kadri ahead of Holl and Dermott.

 

[hamzarocks]

don't think there's any chance they'd protect Kadri ahead of Holl and Dermott.

Why? Dermott was a 13 minute a game player for us who had his spot taken by Sandin (who wasnt even ready) in the playoffs.

Holl has a good contract at 2M and is a solid 5D but overall he's not a reliable 2nd pairing guy and someone you'd look to upgrade on

If we were to play Kadri as 3C then I could see us letting him be taken , but if we used him as a LW in the top 6 I think we'd keep him and protect over holl/dermott

 

[zeke]

Why? Dermott was a 13 minute a game player for us who had his spot taken by Sandin (who wasnt even ready) in the playoffs.

Holl has a good contract at 2M and is a solid 5D but overall he's not a reliable 2nd pairing guy and someone you'd look to upgrade on

If we were to play Kadri as 3C then I could see us letting him be taken , but if we used him as a LW in the top 6 I think we'd keep him and protect over holl/dermott

i think you're under the impression that Kadri is good for some reason?

He's a defensive liability that's no better offensively than Kerfoot at even strength, despite getting 2nd line minutes and linemates. And he costs $4.5m.

 

[FreeBird]

i think you're under the impression that Kadri is good for some reason?

He's a defensive liability that's no better offensively than Kerfoot at even strength, despite getting 2nd line minutes and linemates. And he costs $4.5m.

Leafs well expose MUZZIN AND BRODIE TO GAIN CAP SPACE AND UPGRADE ROSTER Wonder Boy always thinking outside the BOX

 

[ryno23]

I would do 7/3/1 if Dubas can make a deal for another player. Swap Kerfoot in a 2 for 1 deal where you get back 2 forwards.

If Seattle took Holl or Dermott we won't be screaming 2 years from now we gave up Bobby Orr. Holl and Dermott are nice players but these types of players are available all the time

 

[KuleminFan41]

How far have the Leafs fallen in the circle of life with each passing season?
We use to have a 30 goal capable 3rd line centre in Kadri on a team friendly deal of $4.5 mil.
Then we traded him for Kerfoot and Barrie, and let Barrie walk away as UFA where he lead the league Dmen in scoring this year with 8-40-48 points making $3.75 mil AAV.
Now the Leafs are exposing Kerfoot to expansion and risk losing him for nothing as well, and deciding whom to protect between dmen Holl and Dermott instead.
If the Leafs still had Kadri would there be any reasonable expectation he would be the one exposed to expansion?

You and other Leafs fans have to move on from Kadri and that trade. He wasn't a real 30 goal scorer, 2 seasons doesn't prove that, just like Rielly isn't a 70 point defencemen because of 1 season. Kadri had a history of costly suspensions at the worst possible time, hell he got another suspension this past post season. Kadri is all fine and good but he isn't reliable and his numbers aren't exactly getting better and he'll already be 31 by the time the new season starts. He scored 11 goals in 56 games last season, even Kerfoot got 8 last year and Kadri got a lot better ice time than he did, so its not out of the realm of possibility they'd leave him unprotected if he was still here. As for the trade itself, yes, we lost out on Barrie and maybe Kerfoot but the Leafs ended up signing their original target anyway in TJ Brodie as a free agent.

That's fair. I still don't see him as an effective #3C for the money he makes.

It sort of depends if he can continue the way he played in the playoffs. I think he's a solid 3rd line centre, better suited for the team than Kadri was but you aren't wrong. He does make a little too much money and its a shame because his contract would have looked fine had there not be COVID and the cap continued to move upward. He may be a casualty of the flat cap

 

[AvroArrow]

Obviously the big 4 forwards, Brodie/Rielly/Muzzin/Dermott and then pay Seattle a 3rd ? To take Kerfoot

 

[WTFMAN99]

Obviously the big 4 forwards, Brodie/Rielly/Muzzin/Dermott and then pay Seattle a 3rd ? To take Kerfoot

Don't need to pay anyone to take Kerfoot, he'd be a great add for quite a teams, especially cash sensitive owners.

We should be asking for a 2nd or 3rd for him in trades this week.

 

[Racer88]

Obviously the big 4 forwards, Brodie/Rielly/Muzzin/Dermott and then pay Seattle a 3rd ? To take Kerfoot

Do we even have any draft picks left……Dubas has been spending them like a drunken sailor

 

[AvroArrow]

Don't need to pay anyone to take Kerfoot, he'd be a great add for quite a teams, especially cash sensitive owners.

We should be asking for a 2nd or 3rd for him in trades this week.

Sorry I should rephrase. Pay Seattle to pick Kerfoot rather than taking Holl from us. I agree Kerfoot is a very serviceable player. The talk about his contract is blown so out of proportion.

 

[darrylsittler27]

That's what I'm sayi

Lol, no one would grab Tavares, you wish. Starting next year he is 60 pt 22 million slow 2 c.

That's what I'm saying. Dubas' better pray he retires as his cap hell begins. This team is several players away from a cup.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Protect 7-3-1

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Hyman, Kerfoot, whoever

Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin

Campbell

Let Seattle pick between Holl and Dermott. The forwards are pretty thin if they lose Kerfoot, who was good in the playoffs. And I don't think you can easily replace him with a UFA.

We need to dump Kerfoot due to our massive cap issues.

 

[Menzinger]

How far have the Leafs fallen in the circle of life with each passing season?

We use to have a 30 goal capable 3rd line centre in Kadri on a team friendly deal of $4.5 mil.

Then we traded him for Kerfoot and Barrie, and let Barrie walk away as UFA where he lead the league Dmen in scoring this year with 8-40-48 points making $3.75 mil AAV.

Now the Leafs are exposing Kerfoot to expansion and risk losing him for nothing as well, and deciding whom to protect between dmen Holl and Dermott instead.

If the Leafs still had Kadri would there be any reasonable expectation he would be the one exposed to expansion?

If he's coming off his 3rd playoff suspension at that point, who knows.

 

[Menzinger]

Right now I'll be surprised if Kerfoot is exposed in expansion..though I suspect he also won't be a Leaf next season either.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Leafs well expose MUZZIN AND BRODIE TO GAIN CAP SPACE AND UPGRADE ROSTER Wonder Boy always thinking outside the BOX

You don't expose your 2 best defenders .. and you won't get equal quality back for what Leafs are paying them .. you will have to make our defense suffer with weaker guys .. bottom line a crazy move would be trading Rielly to Seattle for their #2 pick and then simultaneously doing a deal with Buffalo to swop picks and add a 2nd rounder so we can get Power

 

[4thline]

That's what I'm sayi

That's what I'm saying. Dubas' better pray he retires as his cap hell begins. This team is several players away from a cup.

Forgot to switch accounts bud.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You don't expose your 2 best defenders .. and you won't get equal quality back for what Leafs are paying them .. you will have to make our defense suffer with weaker guys .. bottom line a crazy move would be trading Rielly to Seattle for their #2 pick and then simultaneously doing a deal with Buffalo to swop picks and add a 2nd rounder so we can get Power

That is brilliant GMing .. get a real potential generational dman for Rielly .. but it is unlikely .. Sabres know what Power is .. they would likely try to pitch us on Dahlin which is more of same of what we already have in Sandin (except a much faster skater)

 

[budzz]

There is all kinds of opportunity for "outside the box thinking" with the expansion draft. All kinds of side deals were made up to the last one. I was just reading an article on the bruins for example... "With the five above protected forwards, that leaves Jake DeBrusk, Ondrej Kase, Nick Ritchie, Chris Wagner, Trent Frederic, Curtis Lazar, Karson Kuhlman and Zach Senyshyn—as well as several other AHL players who won’t be much of a factor— available to Seattle." Now I'm not saying i want any of these guys, but that's one team and one example. Lots of pretty good players out there going to be exposed, and a chance to tap seattle on the shoulder and say "hey, if you grab that guy, we can give you this and this and that for him". Should be very interesting for sure.

 

[barilko05]

There is all kinds of opportunity for "outside the box thinking" with the expansion draft. All kinds of side deals were made up to the last one. I was just reading an article on the bruins for example... "With the five above protected forwards, that leaves Jake DeBrusk, Ondrej Kase, Nick Ritchie, Chris Wagner, Trent Frederic, Curtis Lazar, Karson Kuhlman and Zach Senyshyn—as well as several other AHL players who won’t be much of a factor— available to Seattle." Now I'm not saying i want any of these guys, but that's one team and one example. Lots of pretty good players out there going to be exposed, and a chance to tap seattle on the shoulder and say "hey, if you grab that guy, we can give you this and this and that for him". Should be very interesting for sure.

I don't see this happening, unless its for cap purposes. With the Vegas draft, a bunch of panicy GMs got burnt by giving up assets to protect one guy while letting Vegas take the guy they REALLY wanted. I think most GMs this year aren't going to fall into that trap. With 3rd and 4th line guys, its a crapshoot. Make your decision. Protect who you can. And let the chips fall. Don't be giving away draft picks and assets to protect your 5th and 6th D. Unless you want to be clowned in the playoffs down the road by another expansion team.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Seattle likely takes Gourde from Tampa when they go 4 4 and 1 .. Tampa wants him to make another run next year but they need to drop 10M in AAV so they say take Johnson and his 3 years left and we will give you our 2022 1st rounder and Foote .. they make CAP and they give themselves another few Cup runs .. seems to work for both teams