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GoneFullHextall said:
not sure what the ask price is with Mrazek. I would assume Vegas takes him. Have to think that originally Vegas was going to take MAF. as their #1. That definitely changes things. Vegas rolling with Mrazek and say Pickard would be a pretty good tandem out of the gates for an expansion team.
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I actually think they will still roll with the PoS from PoS***tsburgh, and trade Mrazek, but it will garner them a decent pick at least from a trade.
 
GoneFullHextall said:
not sure what the ask price is with Mrazek. I would assume Vegas takes him. Have to think that originally Vegas was going to take MAF. as their #1. That definitely changes things. Vegas rolling with Mrazek and say Pickard would be a pretty good tandem out of the gates for an expansion team.
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If I am them I am taking MAF and Mrazek and trading Mrazek. I think MAF is pretty much a lock to be their guy for at least the next two years. They could take Pickard to be their backup and potential future starter.
 
The Madrigal said:
A little overrated maybe. That being said, he is probably the best option out there for the Flyers right now assuming the Steve Mason ship has sailed. I would certainly rather have Mrazek than Bernier or Elliott.
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I don't see a difference. There are tons of goalies available who are all about the same and it's a complete crapshoot as to which ones have hot or cold seasons. Hence, I'd prefer to save my cap space. I would not spend $4M on Mrazek, only to risk him being one of the worst starting goalies in the league again this season.

Goalies these days are a largely fungible product. The amount of similar-tier ones available right now is staggering and eye opening.
 
Ghosts Beer said:
I don't see a difference. There are tons of goalies available who are all about the same and it's a complete crapshoot as to which ones have hot or cold seasons. Hence, I'd prefer to save my cap space. I would not spend $4M on Mrazek, only to risk him being one of the worst starting goalies in the league again this season.

Goalies these days are a largely fungible product. The amount of similar-tier ones available right now is staggering and eye opening.
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I don't disagree with your overall point about goalies. That being said, he is 25 years old and played on a bad team last year. The two prior seasons he posted a save percentage of .918 and .921 and had a goals against average under 2.40 in both seasons. He has also put up tremendous numbers throughout his career in the AHL. If you consider his age, upside, etc I don't see how he isn't the best option out there for the Flyers.
 
Ghosts Beer said:
I don't see a difference. There are tons of goalies available who are all about the same and it's a complete crapshoot as to which ones have hot or cold seasons. Hence, I'd prefer to save my cap space. I would not spend $4M on Mrazek, only to risk him being one of the worst starting goalies in the league again this season.

Goalies these days are a largely fungible product. The amount of similar-tier ones available right now is staggering and eye opening.
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I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying they can get a similar starter through UFA for less than $4 million, or that they can get a better player for the same price?

EDIT: Cap hit shouldn't be a big concern in terms of signing a starter at this point. They've got some space and few other pressing needs/options. (Term is a different story)
 
For the Knights to not take Rust, Dumba, Manson, Vaattanen, Methot the returns are going to be higher than their trade values, they have potential to hit multiple grand slams. I think Ducks are only one without a 1st this year
 
Picking Mrazek over MAF makes way more sense to a young team with lots of draft picks moving forward. Heck they can prob get MAF on the cheap next year or in the summer
 
The Madrigal said:
I don't disagree with your overall point about goalies. That being said, he is 25 years old and played on a bad team last year. The two prior seasons he posted a save percentage of .918 and .921 and had a goals against average under 2.40 in both seasons. He has also put up tremendous numbers throughout his career in the AHL. If you consider his age, upside, etc I don't see how he isn't the best option out there for the Flyers.
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Even his poor year came at the age of 25, like Carey Price. Holland probably knows something we don't. After all he ruined one of the best franchises to grace the face of the earth.
 
Myrtetus tweeted that he wants Bernier, or (get ready for it) Nilsson in free agency if they can't get MAF:laugh:

I don't know what's worse, him pushing for Nilsson, or Carchidi with Kinkaid.
 
GoneFullHextall said:
Mrazek and Pickard played on bad teams. I wont look at their overall numbers this past season and judge them. I would take either goalie on the Flyers.
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Jimmy Howard played on the same team as Mrazek and Howard had a .927 save % vs. Mrazek's .901.
 
If Hextall believes Mrazek can be a good starter, then in reality, we could trade Stolarz to LV as part of the deal for him.
 
Though one thing to keep in mind is that Mcphee traded Forsberg for Erat so of all the opportunities he will be presented with it's not a sure thing he will take it.
 
Mrazek is definitely the goalie with the highest potential reward. He's 25 and has already flashed potential top 10 play. But he also comes with some risk coming off his terrible last year and cap hit. Given the fluky nature and often extended timeline of goalie prospects, you've gotta be careful assuming if/when you'll have your future starter. It's possible that we need more than a 2 year stopgap. That's where the youth and potential of Mrazek is most intriguing. Pickard is interesting too, though without quite that upside perhaps.

Thing about Mrazek is I'm not entirely comfortable having Neuvirth as the other goalie. If we had someone who I thought was more reliable and who could platoon or start as well, should the need arise, Mrazek is made more tempting. We just don't want to be in a situation where both goalies can't cut it again. But if we have Bernier/Neuvirth, I don't think we need worry about that!
 
Magua said:
Mrazek is definitely the goalie with the highest potential reward. He's 25 and has already flashed potential top 10 play. But he also comes with some risk coming off his terrible last year and cap hit. Given the fluky nature and often extended timeline of goalie prospects, you've gotta be careful assuming if/when you'll have your future starter. It's possible that we need more than a 2 year stopgap. That's where the youth and potential of Mrazek is most intriguing. Pickard is interesting too, though without that potential perhaps.

Thing about Mrazek is I'm not entirely comfortable having Neuvirth as the other goalie. If we had someone who I thought was more reliable and who could platoon or start as well, should the need arise, Mrazek is more tempting.
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I was just thinking about the possibility of Neuvirth being drafted by Vegas to be their backup. The Flyers trading for Mrazek, and signing Elliott to a similar deal that Neuvirth got. A tandem of Mrazek and Elliott is very intriguing to me.
 
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