Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[JPT]

You do realize that the video is over a year old right?

I can't think of a single person who I knew to have a bad temper one year suddenly not having a bad temper a year later.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Miller waiving his NMC going to the Bruins makes sense. A whiner type player 30+ joining a whiner type team. It's humor folks. Relax kids.

I wonder how the Bruins D looks like after that trade?



I don't agree. Miller is still very effective but nobody knows how he ages (signed until age 37).

Byram and Cozens vs Miller is not a debate. Sabres get ripped off big time.

Byram and Cozens vs EP40 is a decent debate. Some say it's too much and some say it's fair. Pettersson has more value and we agree there but I doubt the Canucks get better than Byram and Cozens (if he is ever traded)

So your worry is worst case scenario ( Miller isnt as effective as he ages)

If so then you better have the same negative concerns about Byram having another major head injury or that Cozens is nothing but 40-50 point winger who is very bad defensively. Never had a Plus season and a is a team worse -13 again this year.


Even if Miller doesnt produce like a 90-100 point Power forward , I can almost gurantee you he will ourproduce Dylan Cozens for the majority of Miller's contract.

There should be no concern about Miller falling off a cliff. This guy is a machine and takes very good care of his body. He also doesnt have alot of miles on his body as he was very under used in NYR and TBay and didnt get serious minutes until he came to Van. Van also missed the playoffs for 3 years before last years run. Not gonna break down soon.

Maybe a team wont get prime Miller at 100 pts but they will still effectively get a 75-85 point Miller for at least the next 3-4 seasons imo plus the faceoffs and physical play that works well in playoff hockey.

 

[Perratrooper]

Colton and Mittelstadt ($9.75m) for Miller ($8m)

Canucks get a 2 and 3C who are both younger than Miller and might align with the Canucks core better.

Colorado gets a high end 2C that fits their immediate window.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So your worry is worst case scenario ( Miller isnt as effective as he ages)

If so then you better have the same negative concerns about Byram having another major head injury or that Cozens is nothing but 40-50 point winger who is very bad defensively. Never had a Plus season and a is a team worse -13 again this year.


Even if Miller doesnt produce like a 90-100 point Power forward , I can almost gurantee you he will ourproduce Dylan Cozens for the majority of Miller's contract.

There should be no concern about Miller falling off a cliff. This guy is a machine and takes very good care of his body. He also doesnt have alot of miles on his body as he was very under used in NYR and TBay and didnt get serious minutes until he came to Van. Van also missed the playoffs for 3 years before last years run. Not gonna break down soon.

Maybe a team wont get prime Miller at 100 pts but they will still effectively get a 75-85 point Miller for at least the next 3-4 seasons imo plus the faceoffs and physical play that works well in playoff hockey.

It's just the norm bud. Signed until age 37 with a NMC. That affects his value and yeah, I really do like what Miller does on the ice today.

Cozens/Byram > Miller.

If you trade Miller, you got to find a team that has a similar contract and similar age and also a team Miller is open to waiving his NMC for. Pretty sure the Canucks have been trying for well longer than this latest shit storm on social media platforms.

I have to believe the Canucks would prefer to keep the younger EP40

 

[UrbanImpact]

Colton and Mittelstadt ($9.75m) for Miller ($8m)

Canucks get a 2 and 3C who are both younger than Miller and might align with the Canucks core better.

Colorado gets a high end 2C that fits their immediate window.

The Canucks massively downgrade on JT Miller so they can have Ross Colton?

Colton doesnt even have more points that our current 3c, Pius Suter.

A package for JT Miller will come with a downgrade of 2c but an upgrade at top 4 D.

 

[Peter Griffin]

The Canucks massively downgrade on JT Miller so they can have Ross Colton?

Colton doesnt even have more points that our current 3c, Pius Suter.

A package for JT Miller will come with a downgrade of 2c but an upgrade at top 4 D.

Yea that doesn’t make any sense for the Canucks really.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Having watched Hurricanes a lot of the last few years....i still think they should be the prime candidates to trade for JT Miller.

To me the Hurricanes are built for regular season hockey but they need to change the dynamic of their team to be successful for playoff style hockey. They dont have enough piss and vinegar in their style of play.

Necas, Aho, Jarvis, Svech, Ghost, Roslovic, Kotkaniemi, Staal..... Svech probably the only guy there that brings skill and grit.


Enter JT Miller and he can potentially change everything for this team in terms of playoff success. He brings that sandpapaer and skill that can go a long way for the Canes. He woud be a perfect Brindamour type of player.


Canucks vs Hurricanes tonight, maybe Canes will see what i see.

My proposal btw would be

Necas ++

for

JT Miller

 

[Peter Griffin]

Having watched Hurricanes a lot of the last few years....i still think they should be the prime candidates to trade for JT Miller.

To me the Hurricanes are built for regular season hockey but they need to change the dynamic of their team to be successful for playoff style hockey. They dont have enough piss and vinegar in their style of play.

Necas, Aho, Jarvis, Svech, Ghost, Roslovic, Kotkaniemi, Staal..... Svech probably the only guy there that brings skill and grit.


Enter JT Miller and he can potentially change everything for this team in terms of playoff success. He brings that sandpapaer and skill that can go a long way for the Canes. He woud be a perfect Brindamour type of player.


Canucks vs Hurricanes tonight, maybe Canes will see what i see.

My proposal btw would be

Necas ++

for

JT Miller

Carolina will have zero interest in acquiring a 32 year old signed for another 5 years after this season.

 

[Kegs]

Pastrnak and coyle for pettersson and garland

Carolina will have zero interest in acquiring a 32 year old signed for another 5 years after this season.

Maybe they would want to add a guy like miller for the next couple of playoff runs.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Pastrnak and coyle for pettersson and garland


Maybe they would want to add a guy like miller for the next couple of playoff runs.

It would go against everything they’ve ever done but I guess that hasn’t exactly resulted in a Stanley Cup either.

 

[SnS]

I don’t think that’s Carolina would give the value for JT Miller. Carolina typically seems to run the organization as a “this is what they’re worth to us”. Take it or leave it kind of thing.

So I can’t imagine Carolina being a landing spot for JT unless the price drops.

 

[Kegs]

I don’t think that’s Carolina would give the value for JT Miller. Carolina typically seems to run the organization as a “this is what they’re worth to us”. Take it or leave it kind of thing.

So I can’t imagine Carolina being a landing spot for JT unless the price drops.

Price might not be as high as Vancouver fans think. He is a great player don’t get me wrong. But his contract is very long. Long contracts like that have lower value generally. Especially for older players at the end of their prime.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

You do realize that the video is over a year old right?

It doesn't matter. In a year, these two aren't all of a sudden going to like each other.

 

[Chan790]

.My proposal btw would be

Necas ++

for

JT Miller

I see a guy whose contract and age makes it a dead issue to the Canes front office. I'm pretty sure that is what they see too.

Necas absolutely should not be on the table for Miller (that's one that's instantly regrettable due to ages and future) unless one of those pluses is Kotkaniemi and the other is Ryan Suzuki. (just because the Canes are clearly never going to call him up.)

 

[Habs Halifax]

Colton and Mittelstadt ($9.75m) for Miller ($8m)

Canucks get a 2 and 3C who are both younger than Miller and might align with the Canucks core better.

Colorado gets a high end 2C that fits their immediate window.

Miller might fit the Avs well. Not sure if the Canucks would like that return but they got to deal with teams that are on Miller's list and I'm sure he would be open to the contending Avs.

Canucks would have to like Mittelstadt a lot. How about changing Colton for Girard and giving the Avs more cap room to extend Rantanen? I believe the Canucks are after a C and D.

 

[wetcoast]

It doesn't matter. In a year, these two aren't all of a sudden going to like each other.

It does matter because I bet 89% of people watching that think it's right now and adds fuel to the fire.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It does matter because I bet 89% of people watching that think it's right now and adds fuel to the fire.

The fire is already lit and the smoke is making people choke on it regardless. It's someone throwing a little gasoline on the fire making it brighter but after that brightness goes down, the fire is still there.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I know, I hate greediness as well. But I don't see Rantanen accepting sub $13M contracts if he continues to give what we've seen this season so far.

Contracts are negotiated based on comparables, and first one to sign can set the market for other similar players. That's why I'm comparing Drai and Mikko here.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but the Avs can use that 8th year as a lever.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Price might not be as high as Vancouver fans think. He is a great player don’t get me wrong. But his contract is very long. Long contracts like that have lower value generally. Especially for older players at the end of their prime.

Plus, this is happening because theyre adnitting these two guys cant get along and we need to trade one of them. Plus, this is happening in season where trade partners and roster flexibility is limited.

 

[Breakers]

Do the Canucks still think they can get above a WC position this year?

It's one injury after another. One C in, one C out. Do the Canucks trade Boeser in the position they are in?

Not if our idiot coach keeps playing Tyler FRANKING Myers in OT

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Ritchie would need to be included as part of any deal with the Avs.

I'd rather take back Girard if needed to make the math work.

 

[KeeferH]

Columbus < -- > Vancouver

Fantilli + (cap dump) < -- > Miller + Lekkerimäki

Obv reliant on Miller waiving. Miller does not get you Fantilli 1:1 and this is coming from a Canucks fan. Even then, Not 100% sure Columbus does this.

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(Pie in the sky proposal)

NJD <--> Vancouver

J. Hughes < -- > EP 40 + Prospect Sawyer Mynio (D)

In a vacuum Petey is probably the slightly better player, but at 8m Hughes has a much better contract with a higher "floor" . NJD also gets a stealthy good D prospect

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Vancouver:
Debrusk - Jack Hughes - Brock Boeser
xxx - Fantilli - Garland

Columbus:
Voronkov - Miller - Markchenko
Lekke - Monahan - Johnson

NJD:
Meir - Hischier - Noesen
Palat - Petey - Bratt

 

[canadianmagpie]

Colton and Mittelstadt ($9.75m) for Miller ($8m)

Canucks get a 2 and 3C who are both younger than Miller and might align with the Canucks core better.

Colorado gets a high end 2C that fits their immediate window.

I think if you replace Colton with Girard you get a little bit closer.

 

[Avs9296]

I think if you replace Colton with Girard you get a little bit closer.

I get what you're saying but the Avs can't trade Girard. He is too valuable to the D now with Byram gone.

Avs and Canucks don't really make great trade partners if they are looking for a top 4 D back.

 

[Viking10]

Not if our idiot coach keeps playing Tyler FRANKING Myers in OT

The love affair for Myers by coaching staff and management is mind boggling…