Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[CascadiaPuck]

Never pointless to dog Krebs.



And he calling EP40 soft?

Need a month off because you got dumped?

Suck it up Miller

I remember when posters were calling Rick Rypien soft when he took time off. How’d that work out again?

 

[BCNate]

Injuries are really hampering the Canucks. Joshua now on IR. A banged up team heading into the playoffs is going to be a first round exit if we stay the course.

Will be watching to see if Miller sits on the end of the bench by himself again tonight. That would speak volumes for reconciling the issue.

You can see the stands are thinning out as the season goes on. Something to put bodies back in the seats would help. The current D is not going to bring a winning streak either.

They just need to get healthy. The Canucks are not a deep enough team to go through the injuries they have so far this year. Boeser, Miller, Hronek, Demko have missed long stretches, as has Joshua who isn't as critical to the team, but still a big part. The fact we are in a playoff spot after going through this stretch is wild. Hughes and EP have been out the last 4.

I hope Allvin stays the course, gets a good look at the full roster for a month before the TDL and then makes his call whether to buy or hold. I don't expect much to happen until then.

 

[periferal]

A few years back, the Habs traded Subban out of nowhere. Then we come to find out later there was an issue between Gallagher/Patch with Subban. We have to remember that this is a team game and when you have distractions that last more than a year, it becomes something managers need to act on.

My gut tells me it's due to Pettersson's complacent style at times and the contract he got does not look good to the eyes of someone like Miller who brings it shift after shift. That's my guess anyways

Fast forward to today and Pettersson's situation seems similar to Subban's... a looming NMC that kicks in July. Canucks either have to find a way for both players to live with each other or trade one of them. Miller already has the NMC and is more consistent with the better contract. Canucks might end up a better team if they can get the right return for Pettersson

How can you say that when Miller has been shown to be lax in his shifts over the years?

 

[tanti9]

If you actually think Cozens+Byram is not enough value, you are crazy. You call a SABRES first round pick a throw in?

I do not think it is enough, a few good things does not make something great (your third line center and #3 dman, I mean Power and Dahlin are better). Petey is the better player and I am comfortable in believing he will be alright. That package is "ok" but to get Petey you need to add some high end talent. It is alright to disagree and Petey's words today makes me even more comfortable in saying it will be Miller (if any player is traded)

 

[Cloned]

As per media today, the Canucks aren't serious about trading Pettersson, Miller hasn't asked for a trade, Canucks haven't asked him to waive his NMC and he wouldn't just have NYR as is only location he would accept a trade to.

Ruthervin wouldn't be doing their jobs if they weren't listening to calls on everyone. They're famously the most proactive management team in the league.

Too much smoke for there to be nothing there. The fact that management hasn’t come out and flatly denied it is telling.

 

[Rowlet]

Too much smoke for there to be nothing there. The fact that management hasn’t come out and flatly denied it is telling.

It was already known that they weren't close, but this is probably overblown now.

 

[Beerz]

I remember when posters were calling Rick Rypien soft when he took time off. How’d that work out again?

Im just going off this scenario.. who knows the cause of Rick's issues.

Based on this.. yes Miller would be soft.

 

[Three On Zero]

Too much smoke for there to be nothing there. The fact that management hasn’t come out and flatly denied it is telling.

No, no there isn’t. This is largely a made up media issue for a struggling team. All the smoke is made up from media and fans. Perks of being one of Canada’s largest markets.

 

[JKG33]

Byfield for Miller?

Most Kings fans wouldn't, but I sure as shit would.

If one believes in Byfield that's probably an overpayment from the Kings. But tbh I never seen it in him and at $6m he needs to bring a lot more to the table.

The alternative is what. He's a no. 1 center. We have maybe our franchises best ever player in Quinn Hughes currently. You plan would be just get rid of a 1c?

The alternative is keeping your best forward, JT Miller

 

[Cloned]

No, no there isn’t. This is largely a made up media issue for a struggling team. All the smoke is made up from media and fans. Perks of being one of Canada’s largest markets.

Yeah I’m not buying it.

It’s pretty easy for everyone involved to just say “there is no conflict, no issue, end of story.”

Instead you get these soft dances around the question and coy non-admissions from Boudreau, Hughes, and management.

 

[JKG33]

Yeah I’m not buying it.

It’s pretty easy for everyone involved to just say “there is no conflict, no issue, end of story.”

Instead you get these soft dances around the question and coy non-admissions from Boudreau, Hughes, and management.

The Brad Richardson bit on Missin' Curfew a week ago too. O'Brien and Schmaltz both questioned why you'd wanna keep someone that soft around your team

 

[Peter Griffin]

Most Kings fans wouldn't, but I sure as shit would.

Done. Enjoy mopey Miller.

 

[TheNumber4]

TIN FOIL HAT ON:

EP40 and Miller are fine together for the most part. But the Nucks realize they just aren't good enough to be the superstars that can lead them to a Cup. So they did the whole dog and pony show of sitting Miller and then publicly disputing EP40's comments of "no issue" to give an excuse to their underperformance this year. The plan was in the works when they saw what they had in last years playoffs already.

 

[Johnsie19]

A division title is not winning. Miller was good in one playoffs but his team still lost. Sometimes being a “winner” is more about how you can inspire your team to be better than the sum of their parts and lift others up. He hasn’t done that and all this drama around him yelling at dudes on the team indicates that he won’t ever do that.

You don’t know the workings of TBs locker room. It’s not inconceivable that Stamkos went to Brisebois and said hey this dude is a bit of a PITA in the locker room despite working hard etc.

A good leader lifts others up and motivates them. Yelling at people isn’t leadership. Miller isn’t a winner.

See this is the impossible standard that people put on players. And it totally lacks any actual substance. One team wins, that isn't a reflection on every player on every other team being a loser. McDavid isn't a winner either? won the Conn Smythe but they lost in game seven so he's not a winner. And yet if they get one bounce and win, he's a winner. It's just not how to judge what a "winning" player is.

I agree leadership and a getting the most our of your teammates is a huge factor in being a winner. And Miller does this, he's very hard on guys and demands a lot. It can go too far though also. It seems to be dividing the room now, or at least dividing Miller and Petey. But take his same attitude into a different dressing room and it could easily get the most out of players.

He reminds me a little of Jimmie Butler in this way. He supposedly quit on the Timberwolves all those yrs back. And yet we now learned it was Towns who was really just delusional and incapable of winning himself. Jimmie went on to be known as one of the best playoff performers ever and yet he never won. Sorry if you don't follow basketball and this makes not sense.

Now Miller like Butler may be a bit petulant at times but saying they can't win is wrong. Some of the worst players I've seen on the Canucks, players I said you could never win with Nick Bonino and Oliver Ekman Larsson went on to be key contributors in cup victories. So ya Miller is flawed but he can easily contribute to winning. He was part of a culture that won a division title, which absolutely is winning. It's showing up every day and consistantly putting in a high effort and preparation. You don't do that if you're a loser.

You can speculate also that Stamkos was livid when they traded Miller and they would have won 3-4 straight had they kept him. But of course its all meaningless fluff.

Leadership comes in many different forms. And even though I agree it appears Miller's time in Vancouver may be up, I certainly don't think he's not a leader or a winner.

 

[Coffee]

Too much smoke for there to be nothing there. The fact that management hasn’t come out and flatly denied it is telling.

Source ?

 

[Johnsie19]

The alternative is keeping your best forward, JT Miller

It's hard to even say that's Miller if that is what you're implying. He's also been bad this yr, at least Petey showed out while Miller was away. And of course he's 26 and not 32 so ya it's an easy decision to not trade your prime age no. 1c, given they're are near impossible to acquire to begin with.

 

[Bankerguy]

don't send Jt. Miller to the Kings...
i'd put money on them to win a cup with him. that's scary af

 

[David71]

unless the team turns it around. all this petterso/miller feud will be swept under the rug if they go on a run. but if they continue to lose then.. all bets are off. both of them can GTFO

 

[Johnsie19]

TIN FOIL HAT ON:

EP40 and Miller are fine together for the most part. But the Nucks realize they just aren't good enough to be the superstars that can lead them to a Cup. So they did the whole dog and pony show of sitting Miller and then publicly disputing EP40's comments of "no issue" to give an excuse to their underperformance this year. The plan was in the works when they saw what they had in last years playoffs already.

So plan is what exactly. My tinfoil hat is ready I just haven't quite put it on because this doesn't quite make any sense.

They realized they couldn't win, so they pit them against each other, for what? maybe its to sell more media because the Aquillinis own all kinds of media companies, then Tocchet can use it as a way to galvanize the team. It's us against the world boys. The media lie, they don't want us to win but in here we believe in each other. Who's with me???

 

[TheNumber4]

So plan is what exactly. My tinfoil hat is ready I just haven't quite put it on because this doesn't quite make any sense.

They realized they couldn't win, so they pit them against each other, for what? maybe its to sell more media because the Aquillinis own all kinds of media companies, then Tocchet can use it as a way to galvanize the team. It's us against the world boys. The media lie, they don't want us to win but in here we believe in each other. Who's with me???

THINK FREE-ER:

The issues between EP40 and JT were always there. They didn't manufacture that. But it was for the most part, fine. They didn't like what they saw out of either in the Playoffs, they know they needed/wanted more. And neither of these guys were "the guy". So with their depressed performance this year, instead of blaming it on their abilities, they instead blame it on their "fued". This ensure their values are not depressed in any trade due to their lowered production this year. Nucks management can pitch it like their reduced production is just cause of the "fued".

 

[Johnsie19]

don't send Jt. Miller to the Kings...
i'd put money on them to win a cup with him. that's scary af

I'd gladly trade Miller for Byfield. Could be a pretty great win/win trade in fact cause lets be honest LA has a shot with Kopy and Doughty still performing (assuming hes back soon) and are gonna be rebuilding after that. Byfield prob doesn't look like a franchise cornerstone at this point but he could be a good 2c in Van.

THINK FREE-ER:

The issues between EP40 and JT were always there. They didn't manufacture that. But it was for the most part, fine. They didn't like what they saw out of either in the Playoffs, they know they needed/wanted more. And neither of these guys were "the guy". So with their depressed performance this year, instead of blaming it on their abilities, they instead blame it on their "fued". This ensure their values are not depressed in any trade due to their lowered production this year. Nucks management can pitch it like their reduced production is just cause of the "fued".

My mind is like a bird, flying free.

But surely they could just point to the defense for the lack of production right. Forbert, Soucy, Desharnais, Myers, Juulsen are who are in charge of getting your the puck if capitan is taking a breather.

 

[Cloned]

Source ?

Wut?

I should be the one asking for a source where Miller, EP and management have flatly denied these issues, not the other way around.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

He had testicular cancer in the summer.

Did he get it from Miller?

 

[Kegs]

Vancouver would be pretty shallow at centre if they traded byfield for miller. That being said byfield is super young with a high ceiling. Could be a steal. But then what do they do about 2nd line centre?

 

[Kegs]

Is mcavoy + coyle for pettersson and a 2nd fair?