Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[gritdash60]

Friedman said there is a possibility of trading one, both, or neither. Let's play with the idea of both are traded to same team? What would the return be for Elias Pettersson and J.T Miller BOTH?

Edit: Assuming that the team trading for both knows there is a problem, also no one is keeping both so one of them will be moved sooner than later.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

I feel like very few (if any at all) of those types of deals are available. Again, I would much rather keep EP and Miller unless a move is 100% unavoidable.

As for the proposed trades, keep in mind the assets VAN hangs onto in some of those scenarios: the SJS one was specifically meant to make smaller additions and bank assets like the DET 1st, Yager, Perfetti, Danielson, etc... Save them for a more sensible deal later, maybe?

A full rundown of one scenario of the Romanov deal I put in there would look like this:

To DET: EP
To NYI: Danielson
To VAN: DET 1st, W. Wallinder, Romanov, NYI 2nd

And an example of the SJS one would be:

To WPG: EP
To SJS: VAN 1st + Desharnais
To VAN: WPG 1st, Yager, Perfetti, Granlund

Or if you do versions of both the NYI and SJS deals to distribute assets from the EP trade and adjust the positions of need on the roster, it could look something like this:

To DET: EP
To NYI: Danielson
To SJS: VAN 1st + Desharnais
To VAN: Det 1st, NYI 2nd, Romanov, Granlund, W. Wallinder

I won't say these are for sure 100% fair or desirable on all sides, it's just for the sake of discussion

I'd rather leave Vancouver out of it and do Granlund for a 1st+ directly to Winnipeg tbh

 

[Hunter368]

Love to see the Jets go after EP, personally I wouldn’t be interested in JT.

 

[Reality Czech]

Power+Cozens
Pettersson+Desharnais.

Don't even care of we lose the trade just mix it up.

Power for Pettersson is perhaps one of the more realistic proposals I've seen in this thread. Intriguing.

 

[Diablo2020]

Friedman said there is a possibility of trading one, both, or neither. Let's play with the idea of both are traded to same team? What would the return be for Elias Pettersson and J.T Miller BOTH?

This is the only way the Canuck take back Mika IMO. And then the only way Kredier waives to Vancouver also. And it only happens by NYR then flipping Pettersson to someone else to replace the HUGE cost of the original trade.


Pettersson, Miller, Brannstrom, Desharnais
For
Zibanejad, Kreider, Miller, Schneider

Plus some huge picks and prospects to VAN.


Then NYR has to trade Pettersson to repair the defense and prospect depth that was just decimated.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Rumours out of Calgary, is they’ve asked and the cost is:
Zary + Top 4D (likely Rasmus) + prospect + Pick,
4-5 assets.

Not sure I would do Ras straight up for EP to be honest. Definitely not Ras and Zary+

 

[fancy dan]

what is it with the canucks committing to long and big tickets and then trading them off / running them out of town? (luongo). Seems like if you're offering someone an 8 year deal you're choosing to go forward with them regardless. How did they even allow themselves to get to this position?

if i'm choosing between the two i'm easily taking EP40 but i think fans are overrating the asset as he's having a bad year and was a shrinking violet in his last playoff series.

 

[Three On Zero]

Not sure I would do Ras straight up for EP to be honest. Definitely not Ras and Zary+

 

[gritdash60]

This is the only way the Canuck take back Mika IMO. And then the only way Kredier waives to Vancouver also. And it only happens by NYR then flipping Pettersson to someone else to replace the HUGE cost of the original trade.


Pettersson, Miller, Brannstrom, Desharnais
For
Zibanejad, Kreider, Miller, Schneider

Plus some huge picks and prospects to VAN.


Then NYR has to trade Pettersson to repair the defense and prospect depth that was just decimated.

Trading either Pettersson or J.T Miller for Zibanejad will be such a bad move, if you dont get like insane shit with it.

 

[bossram]

By telling somebody to f*** off I don't mean it would have to be the kind of generic exchange you presented dude. That means you get in the guy's face and give him a choice to keep acting a fool or they will have to handle the business in the parking lot (obviously not literally but you know what I mean, man to man talk that would probably get physical). Once you fight it out, it gets better, I've been there and know how that goes.

So you just randomly fight people who you perceived to have wronged you on a regular basis?

What if they don't stop after that? Feuds don't really end just because you confront the other party. Like this is a bizarre solution you're talking about.

 

[stats1]

Here’s a thought… why not just trade both. Canucks could probably get a nice haul for Pete. Miller should also bring in a decent package. Vancouver gets a fresh start with a bunch of assets to use in trades or for their future

 

[stats1]

Trading either Pettersson or J.T Miller for Zibanejad will be such a bad move, if you dont get like insane shit with it.

He’s basically negative trade value right now so if Vancouver took him in a trade Rangers would have to be giving up multiple 1sts and other assets

 

[gritdash60]

He’s basically negative trade value right now so if Vancouver took him in a trade Rangers would have to be giving up multiple 1sts and other assets

Yeah that's what i meant but you put it in words better than me.

 

[Zirakzigil]

EP has had 1 elite season and 1 other season at a PPG. And its pretty obvious he has attitude problems. Im not trading a #1 right shot defenseman and a top 6 young center for that and especially not adding a prospect and a 1st. From what I have heard is the Canucks wanted Zary as an add and Conroy flat out refused. If the Canucks want a hockey trade over a futures trade I am not sure I see the Flames a fit.

Id give the Canucks a good center prospect (Honzek), 2 other good prospects, a 1st, another pick and something off the Flames roster for salary. If the Canucks want Ras or Zary I am adding a lot less. Id be loathe to trade Coronato, but hes probably the most obvious one off the Flames forward roster to include.

 

[Diablo2020]

Here’s a thought… why not just trade both. Canucks could probably get a nice haul for Pete. Miller should also bring in a decent package. Vancouver gets a fresh start with a bunch of assets to use in trades or for their future

This is a team that has had these players on the roster for the last few games..

Phil Di Guiseppe
Max Sasson
Guilliame Brisebois
Erik Brannstrom
Derek Forbort
Vinny Desharnais
Noah Juulsen

Yet some fans cant fathom trading the best player in the deal because you always lose when you trade "100 point centers".

But then there IS some merit to trading just one to see how the other responds.

And I admit I dont see many top line centers kicking around UFA or other teams' doghouses.

Personally im of the opinion I see 7 easily upgradable pieces on the roster today and hardly any proepcts on the farm so ya take the hauls and retool on the fly.

 

[fancy dan]

they ain't trading either players to calgary

 

[Three On Zero]

EP has had 1 elite season and 1 other season at a PPG. And its pretty obvious he has attitude problems. Im not trading a #1 right shot defenseman and a top 6 young center for that and especially not adding a prospect and a 1st. From what I have heard is the Canucks wanted Zary as an add and Conroy flat out refused. If the Canucks want a hockey trade over a futures trade I am not sure I see the Flames a fit.

Id give the Canucks a good center prospect (Honzek), 2 other good prospects, a 1st, another pick and something off the Flames roster for salary. If the Canucks want Ras or Zary I am adding a lot less. Id be loathe to trade Coronato, but hes probably the most obvious one off the Flames forward roster to include.

Flames don’t really make much sense as a trade partner for any kind of blockbuster trade. They are a team that should play this season out and see what shakes in the offseason. If Pettersson doesn’t regain his pre-injury form, Huberdeau and Pettersson have potential to be a disaster.

I honestly don’t see either being traded, Vancouver is a larger hockey market and a struggling team. If they can right the ship these rumours of locker room troubles will go away. It’s not a coincidence they only started when the team struggled (like they do for most teams)

 

[mattydamon]

EP has had 1 elite season and 1 other season at a PPG. And its pretty obvious he has attitude problems. Im not trading a #1 right shot defenseman and a top 6 young center for that and especially not adding a prospect and a 1st. From what I have heard is the Canucks wanted Zary as an add and Conroy flat out refused. If the Canucks want a hockey trade over a futures trade I am not sure I see the Flames a fit.

Id give the Canucks a good center prospect (Honzek), 2 other good prospects, a 1st, another pick and something off the Flames roster for salary. If the Canucks want Ras or Zary I am adding a lot less. Id be loathe to trade Coronato, but hes probably the most obvious one off the Flames forward roster to include.

Sorry bud you are delulu if you think a 100pt 2 way C who is only 26 isn't worth Ras. He's not some 34 year old vet with his best years behind him. I rather the nucks trade Miller personally.

 

[Lawzy]

EP has had 1 elite season and 1 other season at a PPG. And its pretty obvious he has attitude problems. Im not trading a #1 right shot defenseman and a top 6 young center for that and especially not adding a prospect and a 1st. From what I have heard is the Canucks wanted Zary as an add and Conroy flat out refused. If the Canucks want a hockey trade over a futures trade I am not sure I see the Flames a fit.

Id give the Canucks a good center prospect (Honzek), 2 other good prospects, a 1st, another pick and something off the Flames roster for salary. If the Canucks want Ras or Zary I am adding a lot less. Id be loathe to trade Coronato, but hes probably the most obvious one off the Flames forward roster to include.

Funny how people will bend over backwards to claim Miller "just wants to win" and "wears his heart on his sleeve" when he actively checks out of games (even seasons) and has disputes with multiple teammates but the moment Pettersson gets annoyed by this he has attitude problems.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Flames don’t really make much sense as a trade partner for any kind of blockbuster trade. They are a team that should play this season out and see what shakes in the offseason. If Pettersson doesn’t regain his pre-injury form, Huberdeau and Pettersson have potential to be a disaster

Apparently the Canucks offer was Zary, Top 4 D (assumed to be Ras), Bruz or Parehk, Morin (surprised by this over Honzek) and a 1st. They wanted 4 or 5 assets total. Not sure if it was just EP or something else coming back.

Conroy said no, no surprise there. In the 20 something games Zary has been at center this year, hes at a 55point pace. Not out of the realm to think he could be a 70+ point two way center soon. I am not adding a ton to Zary to get EP back.

 

[NeoCanuck]

Problem with trading both Miller and Pettersson, is that it leaves the Canucks in quite a massive hole down the middle that they can't replace through trade. Any deal they make most likely won't net them a quality 1A/1B, let alone two of them.

 

[Guyute]

Funny how people will bend over backwards to claim Miller "just wants to win" and "wears his heart on his sleeve" when he actively checks out of games (even seasons) and has disputes with multiple teammates but the moment Pettersson gets annoyed by this he has attitude problems.

He’s the original bozo!!

 

[Zirakzigil]

Sorry bud you are delulu if you think a 100pt 2 way C who is only 26 isn't worth Ras. He's not some 34 year old vet with his best years behind him. I rather the nucks trade Miller personally.

Petts isnt a surefire bet for 100 points. In fact that hes more likely to not hit a PPG pace. Hes had 1 elite season and 1 other at PPG. Thats a risk, especially when his GM and captain have confirmed theres issues.

 

[Rowlet]

Apparently the Canucks offer was Zary, Top 4 D (assumed to be Ras), Bruz or Parehk, Morin (surprised by this over Honzek) and a 1st. They wanted 4 or 5 assets total. Not sure if it was just EP or something else coming back.

Conroy said no, no surprise there. In the 20 something games Zary has been at center this year, hes at a 55point pace. Not out of the realm to think he could be a 70+ point two way center soon. I am not adding a ton to Zary to get EP back.

Says who?

 

[Three On Zero]

Says who?

The same person who thinks Hughes and Allvin confirmed issues that they never actually confirmed