Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread | Part 409

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None of those pieces provide anything we don't already have, or couldn't acquire without Miller being included. This is like asking for Pasta and, I dunno, Peeke, by offering DeBrusk or even Boeser, Myers and swapping a second round pick for Hoglander.

Zacha is of little interest to us, maybe worth a 3rd round pick and which ever bottom six forward we see him replacing, and a second pairing D, even one better than Myers or Soucy, isn't worth Miller.

Also, 26 and 27 aren't what I'd consider young, especially compared to someone 31.
Really? Cause I've been looking at the RHD market all year and they are NOT easy to come by. Nucks and Oilers D shopping at the TDL should speak to that. RHD are almost as rare as Top 6 Centers. So in Carlo you get a good one. Then you get 2 younger centers with still upward potential.
 
Really? Cause I've been looking at the RHD market all year and they are NOT easy to come by. Nucks and Oilers D shopping at the TDL should speak to that. RHD are almost as rare as Top 6 Centers. So in Carlo you get a good one. Then you get 2 younger centers with still upward potential.
What would you pay for Myers, Desharnais or Juulsen in a vaccuum in that case? Hronek is almost back, to the point of being a game time decision, so trading one of our top players for Carlo just doesn't work. We can use him, but there is no where near the value pinned to him that you think there is.

And again, 26/27 isn't young. Not being particularly talented, or filling any kind of need what so ever, doesn't shine these players up to add any value to us either.
 
What would you pay for Myers, Desharnais or Juulsen in a vaccuum in that case? Hronek is almost back, to the point of being a game time decision, so trading one of our top players for Carlo just doesn't work. We can use him, but there is no where near the value pinned to him that you think there is.

And again, 26/27 isn't young. Not being particularly talented, or filling any kind of need what so ever, doesn't shine these players up to add any value to us either.
Well we need a 2 way Top 4 with slant towards puck moving ability. So Desharnais and probably Myers and Juulsen are out consideration. Personally I would take Carlo over all those guys, and I say this realizing he has had a down year.

Sounds like guys are looking for like a 1 for 1 swap for JT Miller rather than a package. But for that to happen the 1 on the other side is going to have to have some warts too, that is forcing them out of the market, right now there’s no one like that. So I think expectations need to be adjusted.
 
Assuming that Lamoriello decides to do the right thing and go in a rebuild (if NYI don't go in rebuild mode, this trade can't work). and assuming Vancouver try to win it all

Montréal get:
Pettersson

Vancouver get:
Barzal
Evans (Will be in need of a new contract)
Choice of Struble or Savard at 50% (his contract is up this year)

NYI get:
Mtl 2025 1st Unprotected
Calgary 2025 1st
Vancouver 2025 3rd (property of the Habs)


Other picks could be added if needed, as well as players for cap reason

Why is everyone do it:

Montréal roll Demidov - Pettersson - Laine next year as their second line, and it's sexy AF
We don't care about draft picks anymore, it's time to compete

Vancouver get a small downgrade on Pettersson but the drama ends and they get good depth to try their shot at the Stanley Cup. Evans is an incredible depth piece, and both Struble and Savard play on the right side

NYI get a nice loot to kickstart a rebuild

Who says no?
 
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I think if they trade either Vancouver fans are going to be disappointed with the return
Which is why he won't be traded.
Clearly either by injury, chemistry or coaching style EP has struggled and if I'm Allvin I attempt to fix the problem before trading a guy out of panic.
Players capable of being a 100 point defensive 1C.
We have drafted two in the history of our franchise.
 
You echo what most fans tell me at the game and talk in the beer league dressing rooms. Bolded gives Canucks fans Bure flashbacks (not nearly the same skill but playing like they don't want to be here is concerning).

You just want Pettersson to commit to the team and Tocchet's coaching philosophy. All of this can easily be avoided for the Canucks if Pettersson would just commit more to the team and system. Fans would be won over by a passionate compete level and accept the mistakes. Miller would get off his back (probably already has) and the team could compete with most in the West.
yep this is the whole issue and where it stems from. Nothing likely would have ever happened if he just stepped up and was one of the best players and showed he's all in said he wanted to be a Canuck and assumed leadership. He's fine defensively and in the system

Instead I've watched and listened to Pettersson play possum to management and his teammates about wanting to go forward with them for over a year using phrases like a "i want to play for a winner" rejecting talks and commitment for a long term contract. Even after JR and PA made every move to make him happy and be a centre piece of the team and get it done he kept stringing it along to the point of trade threats and was guarded with media

So they get it done everyone is excited relieved and then "knee tendinitis" that started in January hurting his play as well as expectations and since he has
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And ok sure he played them for his contract that's just business and he has had injury issues of some sort but it doesn't look good when you play worse as the ink dries the stakes go up and end the year with excuses. Then come in this year and play like someone who spent the summer at the beach and require extra work to get up to speed.

I mean why would Miller ride his ass anymore if he's better than him? Pettersson could just tell him to worry about his own play? Certainly Tocchet wouldn't be making comments about maturity preparation video games and going to the net or the Allvin interview using similar context and even more about off ice work prep and dealing with expectations.

From a purely asset based stand point i would move Miller. Older by almost 6yrs and his reputed "over the top" personality that is being bantered but if i'm having to move Miller because he's "hot headed" (buddies now with Boeser who used to be buddies with Pettersson? is he really that bad then?) where does that leave the situation?

I've watched Hughes unwilling to pass to Pettersson on the PP? If the best option is gone in Miller what is left? Trade the guy who took a discount for a guy who took the team to the wall for his bag and then sucked when the very team he was using "want to win" as his threat goes on to disappear?

Make no mistake i don't care if he threw one hit. If Kucherov Point Kane etc can win cups it's irrelevant. Just produce be tough and hard to stop ..that's the best thing he can do. He's not built to be a hammer

Trade Miller then a happy Pettersson but for how long? Seems this immaturity has had ground swell for some time now. I've heard going back to the Horvat days that there were issues with cliques line mate requests and buy in. Horvat was considered a dead beat captain because he said nothing to hold people accountable the team was a loser and then no one listened to him at all eventually. Travis Green, Bruce Boudreau on and on we go. What next Tocchet and Miller scapegoats for being too 'hard" I mean why push anyone in a team sport that seems to need a little right?

Is he being the better teammate by playing through it. Walking out on media. Leading the forwards or team in scoring? How will he fare getting the McDavid MacKinnon Eichel match ups or who will we blame when Miller is gone and he cant get the PP going a key faceoff win and we lack top end physical presence to help him out?

Pettersson could have made most of it go away but nah i don't like him is a reason too. Forget Demko Hughes Boeser the A on the jersey and the young Swedes he's supposed to be a role model for. He'll play better when they get rid of Miller is the belief?
 
One of JT or EP will be traded. Or not. Stay tuned
No kidding. I stand by my opinion that the whole thing is BS and that Vancouver just wants to keep this story alive to distract from their real problems and try to put pressure on Pettersson to perform better

I'd guess a lot of teams are calling about trades for one of JT or Pettersson and Alvin welcomes the talk, but moves the talk to different players. They want trades but not their top guys
 
Assuming that Lamoriello decides to do the right thing and go in a rebuild (if NYI don't go in rebuild mode, this trade can't work). and assuming Vancouver try to win it all

Montréal get:
Pettersson

Vancouver get:
Barzal
Evans (Will be in need of a new contract)
Choice of Struble or Savard at 50% (his contract is up this year)

NYI get:
Mtl 2025 1st Unprotected
Calgary 2025 1st
Vancouver 2025 3rd (property of the Habs)


Other picks could be added if needed, as well as players for cap reason

Why is everyone do it:

Montréal roll Demidov - Pettersson - Laine next year as their second line, and it's sexy AF
We don't care about draft picks anymore, it's time to compete

Vancouver get a small downgrade on Pettersson but the drama ends and they get good depth to try their shot at the Stanley Cup. Evans is an incredible depth piece, and both Struble and Savard play on the right side

NYI get a nice loot to kickstart a rebuild

Who says no?
You don't trade Barzal for 2 1sts in the NHL. This isn't the NFL. NYI would want a young centre who is only 1-2 years away rather than picks in the 15th range. Montreal basically trades a mid 1st, 2nd (Savard w/ retention), 3rd and Evans for EP? Seems like a steal.
 
You don't trade Barzal for 2 1sts in the NHL. This isn't the NFL. NYI would want a young centre who is only 1-2 years away rather than picks in the 15th range. Montreal basically trades a mid 1st, 2nd (Savard w/ retention), 3rd and Evans for EP? Seems like a steal.

That would be

2 x 1st
1 x 3rd
Evans
Struble or Savard

for Petterson

As far as NYI goes, Barzal ain't going to be a part of the future if they're going into rebuild, and no teams that are going to compete for a playoff spot is going to trade assets that will help them to compete.
Obviously.
The very first sentance of the offer implies that it's only doable if NYI is rebuilding. If you read.
 
Well we need a 2 way Top 4 with slant towards puck moving ability. So Desharnais and probably Myers and Juulsen are out consideration. Personally I would take Carlo over all those guys, and I say this realizing he has had a down year.

Sounds like guys are looking for like a 1 for 1 swap for JT Miller rather than a package. But for that to happen the 1 on the other side is going to have to have some warts too, that is forcing them out of the market, right now there’s no one like that. So I think expectations need to be adjusted.
Myers is fine as a two way guy, and hits that top four qualifier. But my point is that a player is only worth what a team will pay for it. Tocchet loves Myers for some reason, and Hronek will soon be our top RHD, so Carlo would be fighting to the death with Myers for a handful of minutes. Carlo is not worth Miller to us.

1 for 1 would be great, but in this case, taking 3 pennies for a dollar is not worth trading MIler for.
 
Assuming that Lamoriello decides to do the right thing and go in a rebuild (if NYI don't go in rebuild mode, this trade can't work). and assuming Vancouver try to win it all

Montréal get:
Pettersson

Vancouver get:
Barzal
Evans (Will be in need of a new contract)
Choice of Struble or Savard at 50% (his contract is up this year)

NYI get:
Mtl 2025 1st Unprotected
Calgary 2025 1st
Vancouver 2025 3rd (property of the Habs)


Other picks could be added if needed, as well as players for cap reason

Why is everyone do it:

Montréal roll Demidov - Pettersson - Laine next year as their second line, and it's sexy AF
We don't care about draft picks anymore, it's time to compete

Vancouver get a small downgrade on Pettersson but the drama ends and they get good depth to try their shot at the Stanley Cup. Evans is an incredible depth piece, and both Struble and Savard play on the right side

NYI get a nice loot to kickstart a rebuild

Who says no?
Just awful for the Islanders.
 
That would be

2 x 1st
1 x 3rd
Evans
Struble or Savard

for Petterson

As far as NYI goes, Barzal ain't going to be a part of the future if they're going into rebuild, and no teams that are going to compete for a playoff spot is going to trade assets that will help them to compete.
Obviously.
The very first sentance of the offer implies that it's only doable if NYI is rebuilding. If you read.
Again, even if they are rebuilding you don't trade your franchise player for 2 mid 1st round picks. Either it's a much higher 1st involved or it's a promising prospect that is the main piece of the deal.
 
Which is why he won't be traded.
Clearly either by injury, chemistry or coaching style EP has struggled and if I'm Allvin I attempt to fix the problem before trading a guy out of panic.
Players capable of being a 100 point defensive 1C.
We have drafted two in the history of our franchise.

Three if you count Hughes
 
If you are going to take a roster player of Barzal's caliber you gotta give a roster player back.

Obviously, it will never happen, no team that tries to win it all will give assets of equal value to a rebuilding team, because that would be moronic. The teams that are trying to win, are, you know, trying to f***ing win.
What's the alternative for NYI?
Keeping Barzal until he pressures the NYI for a Trade?
 
Cutting Montreal out altogether.

Pettersson would not go into a rebuilding team.

In that deal, NYI is only giving Up Barzal. So... Barzal for Pettersson, straight Up?
Vancouver refuse that deal. Barzal is amazing, but he ain't Pettersson

Overall, your comment is terrible

Nothing. But in this proposal Montreal doesn’t serve a purpose. Isles aren’t rebuilding and would be more interested in Pettersson than a couple 1sts.

First sentence of the proposal is implying that it doesn't work if NYI ain't rebuilding.
Is reading an issue?
 
Pettersson would not go into a rebuilding team.

In that deal, NYI is only giving Up Barzal. So... Barzal for Pettersson, straight Up?
Vancouver refuse that deal. Barzal is amazing, but he ain't Pettersson

Overall, your comment is terrible
Obviously common sense would factor in and the Isles would be willing to bridge the difference in value. It’s not like in your proposal Vancouver is getting much more than Barzal anyway.

First sentence of the proposal is implying that it doesn't work if NYI ain't rebuilding.
Is reading an issue?
Sorry I didn’t indulge in your fantasy.
 

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