Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread | Part 409

[Habs Halifax]

New offer from this Habs fan... Does this spark a conversation? Several Habs fans are telling me this is too much we are offering even with Gallagher at 50%

* Pettersson
for
* Slafkovsky
* Dach
* One of (Mailloux or Engstrom)
* Gallagher (50% retention. $3.25M for 2 more years after this year)

Cap in matches cap out for both teams... very close around $14.5M ish.

 

[Diamonddog01]

New offer from this Habs fan... Does this spark a conversation? Several Habs fans are telling me this is too much we are offering even with Gallagher at 50%

* Pettersson
for
* Slafkovsky
* Dach
* One of (Mailloux or Engstrom)
* Gallagher (50% retention. $3.25M for 2 more years after this year)

Cap in matches cap out for both teams... very close around $14.5M ish.

No thank you. No interest in Gallagher whatsoever and more importantly we don't need wingers.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No thank you. No interest in Gallagher whatsoever and more importantly we don't need wingers.

I get it but Gallagher at $3.25M is actually fair value what what he brings at this stage.

Slaf is a winger yes but there is loads of potential there. Dach is the center coming in this trade and is still RFA after his current bridge. Mailloux is the prospect on D who might be one more year in the AHL and he is ready

It's a solid offer value wise but can't make you like it. My focus was salary in matching salary out.

 

[Diamonddog01]

I get it but Gallagher at $3.25M is actually fair value what what he brings at this stage.

Slaf is a winger yes but there is loads of potential there. Dach is the center coming in this trade. Mailloux is the prospect on D who might be one more year in the AHL and he is ready

It's a solid offer value wise but can't make you like it. My focus was salary in matching salary out.

We don't want or need wingers, so regardless of whether it's a fair value it does nothing to address the Canucks current needs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

We don't want or need wingers, so regardless of whether it's a fair value it does nothing to address the Canucks current needs.

Dach is a center and he has 60 pts potential in him. If you like Cozens from the Sabres, you should value Dach equally as much IMO. Laugh at this all you want but I bet you the numbers between Cozens and Dach in the next 5-8 years will be similar.

Salary in matches salary out. And I'm basically offering two pieces at C and LW who both have 60 pts potential for one piece who is pt/game today. Gallagher at $3.25M is not bad at all and Mailloux is definitely a B+ rare RD prospect.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

 

[eviohh26]

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Thank god.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Dach is a center and he has 60 pts potential in him. If you like Cozens from the Sabres, you should value Dach equally as much IMO. Laugh at this all you want but I bet you the numbers between Cozens and Dach in the next 5-8 years will be similar.

I am not particularly high on either Cozens or Dach to be honest, and we can agree to disagree regarding Dach's potential. Instead of convincing Canuck fans why trades that do nothing to address our needs are fair or whatever your efforts would be better spent trying to create a three way trade where the Canucks needs are met.

Imagine a Winnipeg fan who really wanted Cirelli and kept proposing Hellebuyck to the Lightning, does this seem like something the Lightning would want or need? Even if was fair? Try to understand the other team's POV.

 

[Fatass]

New offer from this Habs fan... Does this spark a conversation? Several Habs fans are telling me this is too much we are offering even with Gallagher at 50%

* Pettersson
for
* Slafkovsky
* Dach
* One of (Mailloux or Engstrom)
* Gallagher (50% retention. $3.25M for 2 more years after this year)

Cap in matches cap out for both teams... very close around $14.5M ish.

For Miller this would be fair. Take out Gallagher to balance the cap.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I am not particularly high on either Cozens or Dach to be honest, and we can agree to disagree regarding Dach's potential. Instead of convincing Canuck fans why trades that do nothing to address our needs are fair or whatever your efforts would be better spent trying to create a three way trade where the Canucks needs are met.

Imagine a Winnipeg fan who really wanted Cirelli and kept proposing Hellebuyck to the Lightning, does this seem like something the Lightning would want or need? Even if was fair? Try to understand the other team's POV.

Well, you replied twice saying you don't want wingers and now you finally talk about it (Dach). It's all good, I don't think that was a bad offer at all and many Habs fans say it's too much.

I proposed it once but you kept on saying you don't want wingers. Now you are saying I am proposing it more and more? Nah, I'm just talking about it and telling you Dach is a center in which you ignored twice.

It's all good. You don't like the offer. Seems like Dach is perceived at very low trade value. I get it but he's coming off of injury and just starting to regain his form now.

For Miller this would be fair. Take out Gallagher to balance the cap.

For Miller this is fair? Someone signed till age 37 with a NMC? Come on man. No team is offering a Slaf piece for Miller with a Dach type center on top. Both players touching prime years.

Miller probably wants nothing to do with the Habs as well. He likely has a very low list of team he would accept a trade to. Doubt the Habs are one of them and we are not after a center from age 31-37 anyways.

 

[Habs Halifax]

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I'm not surprised by this. Doubt the Canucks want Ziby as a return for Miller anyways. Canucks probably will prefer to deal with Miller/Pettersson issues instead.

 

[Three On Zero]

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Vancouver isn’t interested in him playing for Vancouver. Glad it’s a mutual feeling.

 

[tsujimoto74]

If offered Dahlin for EP40 straight up. I’d jump on that so fast if I was the Nucks. Try finding a Top Pair RHD, it’s near impossible. One with Dahlin’s skill set, even harder.

I’d even throw Garland with EP40 just to get trade sealed.

And Buffalo would still not be able to hang up the phone fast enough. Dahlin is untouchable.

 

[Peter Griffin]

New offer from this Habs fan... Does this spark a conversation? Several Habs fans are telling me this is too much we are offering even with Gallagher at 50%

* Pettersson
for
* Slafkovsky
* Dach
* One of (Mailloux or Engstrom)
* Gallagher (50% retention. $3.25M for 2 more years after this year)

Cap in matches cap out for both teams... very close around $14.5M ish.

Vancouver passes very easily.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Vancouver passes very easily.

I might agree or respect the "Canucks pass" reply, but adding the easily on top? Don't agree. That is a very solid offer in value that does not warrant the "easily pass" narrative IMO.

It's all good. Canucks don't like the offer and several other Habs fans don't as well. I was just curious to see the Canucks replies.

 

[Fatass]

Well, you replied twice saying you don't want wingers and now you finally talk about it (Dach). It's all good, I don't think that was a bad offer at all and many Habs fans say it's too much.

I proposed it once but you kept on saying you don't want wingers. Now you are saying I am proposing it more and more? Nah, I'm just talking about it and telling you Dach is a center in which you ignored twice.

It's all good. You don't like the offer. Seems like Dach is perceived at very low trade value. I get it but he's coming off of injury and just starting to regain his form now.



For Miller this is fair? Someone signed till age 37 with a NMC? Come on man. No team is offering a Slaf piece for Miller with a Dach type center on top. Both players touching prime years.

Miller probably wants nothing to do with the Habs as well. He likely has a very low list of team he would accept a trade to. Doubt the Habs are one of them and we are not after a center from age 31-37 anyways.

Slafkosky is not developing (currently) beyond a middle six winger. Dach is stalled at a 3C. Miller with Suzuki as the 1-2 centre punch gets the Habs into the playoffs.
As for Miller’s NMC, it’s Montreal and
playing in the best hockey city in the world would definitely get him to waive.
Pettersson would cost Suzuki +. Makes no sense for either club.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Slafkosky is not developing (currently) beyond a middle six winger. Dach is stalled at a 3C. Miller with Suzuki as the 1-2 centre punch gets the Habs into the playoffs.
As for Miller’s NMC, it’s Montreal and
playing in the best hockey city in the world would definitely get him to waive.
Pettersson would cost Suzuki +. Makes no sense for either club.

You don't like the offer. Lets leave it at that before we get into throwing players under the bus to justify a no or yes reply.

The problem with your Pettersson for Suzuki+ trade value is cap space hit. What team is going to trade a player they developed and is performing very well for them at a fraction of the cap hit EP40 has? We have talked about the Pettersson trade ideas for a while now... Who has offered you a Suzuki piece at center?

I am very curious to see how this unfolds for the Canucks. All us Habs fans can do is offer what we think we can afford. Canucks can say no. The circumstance is not perfect for the Canucks though... Miller with the NMC and Pettersson with a NMC coming in July. I value Pettersson just like you do but lets not ignore that he is not trending that well lately either.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I might agree or respect the "Canucks pass" reply, but adding the easily on top? Don't agree. That is a very solid offer in value that does not warrant the "easily pass" narrative IMO.

No, they pass very easily, unless for some reason they expect either Slaf/Dach to immediately step into a top 6 center role and Mailloux a top 4 defensive role, which none are currently capable of. On top of that, Vancouver is actually taking on salary for next season. It’s a poorly thought out offer without taking Vancouver’s needs into consideration. It’s absolutely not what the Canucks should be looking for.

 

[Fatass]

You don't like the offer. Let’s leave it at that before we get into throwing players under the bus to justify a no or yes reply.

How are my evaluators of Slafkosky and Dach not accurate? Im pointing out why those two don’t have the top line, difference maker ceilings (considering their current trajectory) of Pettersson. For Miller, because he is older, the value (imo) is fair.

 

[wintersej]

I might agree or respect the "Canucks pass" reply, but adding the easily on top? Don't agree. That is a very solid offer in value that does not warrant the "easily pass" narrative IMO.

It's all good. Canucks don't like the offer and several other Habs fans don't as well. I was just curious to see the Canucks replies.

It always gets weird in these situations. It depends on if Vancouver has decided they want to move on from EP or if they need to be convinced.

Returns for guys like Thornton, Seguin, Eichel, whatever are certainly less than if those teams needed to be convinced to trade the guys when they don't want to.

Vancouver fans are certainly in the "you have to convince us" mindset. We don't *really* know how the team feels.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It always gets weird in these situations. It depends on if Vancouver has decided they want to move on from EP or if they need to be convinced.

Returns for guys like Thornton, Seguin, Eichel, whatever are certainly less than if those teams needed to be convinced to trade the guys when they don't want to.

Vancouver fans are certainly in the "you have to convince us" mindset. We don't *really* know how the team feels.

Fair. The way I see it is they preferred to trade Miller but have tried and his NMC is giving them a very difficult time getting what they want in return. That's when they opened the door to trading Pettersson who would return more and his NMC kicks in July.

I'd love to know if the Canucks are willing to gamble on having both players after July with NMC. Or are they really serious about moving one of them. Miller's NMC is not ideal one bit. If the Canucks are open to moving Pettersson, I'd like to know what other teams are offering. That will dictate if the Habs can match or beat it or pass.

How are my evaluators of Slafkosky and Dach not accurate? Im pointing out why those two don’t have the top line, difference maker ceilings (considering their current trajectory) of Pettersson. For Miller, because he is older, the value (imo) is fair.

No disrespect but you don't like the offer. We would be stupid to pump/deflate the pieces after you said no. If you are trying to "educate" me, spare yourself your time.

You either like it or you don't. Fans need to learn to move on from it. If we are close, we can talk more but doesn't appear to be the case right? I'm not going to tolerate player devalues after you said no to the trade. Think about it... that leads to post wars getting us nowhere.

 

[TageGod]

I saw a Hughes+ EP for Dahlin+ Thompson. No, but yes? Fun idea. At the end of the day, I don't see anyone offering more than two established young players with potential in Cozens (Center replacement) and Byram (#2/3D). I don't see Adams doing it but I would, would throw in something else if needed like Krebs or a 2nd, or Rosen.

 

[Eegs]

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Canuck fans breathe a sigh of relief.

 

[Peter Griffin]

It always gets weird in these situations. It depends on if Vancouver has decided they want to move on from EP or if they need to be convinced.

Returns for guys like Thornton, Seguin, Eichel, whatever are certainly less than if those teams needed to be convinced to trade the guys when they don't want to.

Vancouver fans are certainly in the "you have to convince us" mindset. We don't *really* know how the team feels.

I don’t think they’re necessarily decided to move on from either Miller or EP yet.

 

[rypper]

I saw a Hughes+ EP for Dahlin+ Thompson. No, but yes? Fun idea. At the end of the day, I don't see anyone offering more than two established young players with potential in Cozens (Center replacement) and Byram (#2/3D). I don't see Adams doing it but I would, would throw in something else if needed like Krebs or a 2nd, or Rosen.

Terrible.