OT: Everything COVID19 - PART 7

[BatherSeason]

Ottawa is actually doing pretty well.

The US, Alberta and Quebec are struggling because no one is listening to the advice.

And that's because they're filled with people like yourself who downplay the risk until it kicks them in the head.

The struggle is coming for Ontario (even though its already there). Too many relaxed restrictions IMO. The daily case numbers are even starting to be higher.

Hard to make that generalization about Quebec if you dont live there. There is a HUGE difference in how the pandemic is being managed in Quebec vs Ontario. I live in Gatineau and you can feel the difference. Restaurants, bars, gyms, etc are all closed. Team sports, the same. Quebec has the oldest population in the country, thus the high case counts. We aren't allowed any visitors in our households, while people the people we know that live in Ottawa are taking full advantage of the 10 ppl limit, and with the threat of police presence over the holidays, people here have basically shut down any Christmas plans, while our friends and family in Ottawa are going full steam ahead.

 

[RickyLafleur]

I watched my mom die at 19 from complications to Crones and that’s how I viewed it
Thems the breaks

I think we can safely disregard this mans opinions regarding health and science. It's clear he still thinks COVID 19 is overblown like every other disease out there because we will all day one day anyways.

 

[Sens]

Watching news.. Toronto school board wants to extend Xmas vacation two weeks because parents have begun pulling students out of class to self isolate for family gatherings

 

[Xspyrit]

covid has cost Canada 343 billion so far

why don’t we spend a 100 billion a year to stop the flu?

It seems like you think money is everything but it is not. I know a lot of "rich" people. Health and family is by far the most important thing in life, at least for most people. That's what we have been trying hard to do, "preserve life" at all costs. Too bad you're not with us. If everyone was actually "with us", it would be much much easier.

And by the way, there's already a vaccine for the flu. Eventually, covid will be a virus that we have dealt with. When a new virus emerges (particularly as bad as this one), of course it's a pretty big f***ing deal.

Do you think all governements on the planet are spending billions just for fun? That sports leagues shutdown their seasons on their own just for fun? The goal is to protect people. Thankfully, people making these decisions are not as clueless.

 

[Masked]

I think we can safely disregard this mans opinions regarding health and science. It's clear he still thinks COVID 19 is overblown like every other disease out there because we will all day one day anyways.

Maybe he's hoping it will take out the old ladies that killed his mother.

 

[Sens]

Maybe he's hoping it will take out the old ladies that killed his mother.

Heart attack from crones complications in my arms at 19 before the ambulance could come

I’ve stared death in the face

 

[Xspyrit]

Ya maybe 200 years ago. Now a days, we have this thing called science and technology that allows us to not have to do that.

Question for you. If you happened to get sick, or diagnosed with cancer or some other horrible disease, would you just accept it and say ‘well gosh darn, I guess Im a ‘sickie’ and this is evolution’ or would you do everything in your power to seek out new advances in medicines and treatments?

What about if it was a loved one (child, wife, mom etc). Would you just give up and say thats evolution and I guess your just weak? Or would you do everything you could to seek out whatever it is that would maybe help?

Thought so.....so I guess your a hypocrite at the very least.

My mother died of cancer at 56 y/o. It was a 2 years draining battle against 4 different cancers. The 3rd one was 2 tumors in her brain. The WORST moment in my life by far was when I had to let her go in that hospital alley to have her brain operation. Another really hard moment was when I felt her last breath in my arms. I had months to "prepare" but it was still icommensurably painful

That's of course if you love other people than yourself.

How can anyone who has a wife/husband, children, parents, relatives and/or close friends would not want his country health system to do everything possible at all costs to save that person life if there was a problem?

It's beyond me.

I watched my mom die at 19 from complications to Crones and that’s how I viewed it
Thems the breaks

So you should absolutely understand. For most people, there's more than one person that you could lose from this.

Right now, I am thinking about my wife, my 3 grand-parents alive (and 2 spouses), my step dad, my step mother, my step nephew, my best friend's brother, sister and father. And many more if I think of a larger circle.

Am I the only one who could lose people from this? No and I'm only talking about people with pre-existing conditions here.

As human beings, it should absolutely be our priority to have other people as safe as possible, just by social distancing and wearing masks, simply not going out when we symptoms. Even if you end up making less money this year. But maybe it's just me, I'm a dreamer.

Don't you have anybody you care about?

 

[Beech]

Ontario set a new single day infection rate yesterday. At 1983 cases. Luckily, we are still around 98% non vulnerable to ~2% vulnerable. Meaning our ICU is probably only around 60-70% (all patients, covid and other).

Should the infection number in Ontario hit about 4000 or higher and the rate among the vulnerable hit 3% or higher...good bye ICU space. Hello hospital crash.

Come Monday, we may be screaming. Some projections call for 6500 cases by Mid December. Unless those are 99%/1% non-vulnerable to vulnerable, we are toast.

Stay safe everyone and secluded. These numbers have to come down....I am guessing Ford is no more than 1 week away from imposing insane lock-down measures.

 

[GCK]

I’ll see how the numbers are looking a month from now.
If you’re right we won’t be seeing record highs anymore moving forward

If it wasn’t for the restrictions the positivity rate and case counts would be much, much higher. You seem to take pleasure in ignoring Public Health guidance which says a lot about you.

 

[Xspyrit]

I couldn't care less about the 2020 christmas. I want to have many more christmas with my relatives instead of the "last one" for some.

We are still going to have very nice days in our family bubble. I bought a tennis table and stuff like that. It's going to be fun for the kids and that's the most important.

after 9 months of masking and precautions and lockdown*

A very important point that goes way over the head of the dissidents, every single time. Some people don't really realize how bad it could have been if we didn't do anything to slow the spread. It's a lack of imagination I guess.

 

[coladin]

I couldn't care less about the 2020 christmas. I want to have many more christmas with my relatives instead of the "last one" for some.

We are still going to have very nice days in our family bubble. I bought a tennis table and stuff like that. It's going to be fun for the kids and that's the most important.




A very important point that goes way over the head of the dissidents, every single time. Some people don't really realize how bad it could have been if we didn't do anything to slow the spread. It's a lack of imagination I guess.

I agree. I have had 47 normal Christmases, 1 unusual one will not be the end of the world. We have changed our Christmas plans, and will only celebrate within our social bubble, which is my mom and brother's family. We are 10, and have been exclusive since March. Tricky thing is tracing the kids to ensure grandparents are safe

 

[Sens]

My mother died of cancer at 56 y/o. It was a 2 years draining battle against 4 different cancers. The 3rd one was 2 tumors in her brain. The WORST moment in my life by far was when I had to let her go in that hospital alley to have her brain operation. Another really hard moment was when I felt her last breath in my arms. I had months to "prepare" but it was still icommensurably painful

That's of course if you love other people than yourself.

How can anyone who has a wife/husband, children, parents, relatives and/or close friends would not want his country health system to do everything possible at all costs to save that person life if there was a problem?

It's beyond me.



So you should absolutely understand. For most people, there's more than one person that you could lose from this.

Right now, I am thinking about my wife, my 3 grand-parents alive (and 2 spouses), my step dad, my step mother, my step nephew, my best friend's brother, sister and father. And many more if I think of a larger circle.

Am I the only one who could lose people from this? No and I'm only talking about people with pre-existing conditions here.

As human beings, it should absolutely be our priority to have other people as safe as possible, just by social distancing and wearing masks, simply not going out when we symptoms. Even if you end up making less money this year. But maybe it's just me, I'm a dreamer.

Don't you have anybody you care about?

everyone older than me in my family has died.

 

[NyQuil]

everyone older than me in my family has died.

Looks like you have nothing to lose then. It explains a lot.

 

[Xspyrit]

everyone older than me in my family has died.

No kids? Nobody with pre-existing conditions? No other relatives? No friends and their family?

As I said earlier, the brother of my friend who died 2 years ago also lost his father 2 weeks ago. He wasn't my father but I still feel like I lost someone. Am I normal?

I'm assuming you have no kids? Because you'd probably see things very differently if it was the case.

You know. there's a LOT of examples on the internet of people under 80 y/o who thought they'd also be "ok" but many are not here anymore to tell us if they changed their mind.

 

[Sens]

No kids? Nobody with pre-existing conditions? No other relatives? No friends and their family?

As I said earlier, the brother of my friend who died 2 years ago also lost his father 2 weeks ago. He wasn't my father but I still feel like I lost someone. Am I normal?

I'm assuming you have no kids? Because you'd probably see things very differently if it was the case.

You know. there's a LOT of examples on the internet of people under 80 y/o who thought they'd also be "ok" but many are not here anymore to tell us if they changed their mind.

everyone in my life is young... I’m not worried about kids
My wife’s coworker has a kid and a classmate had covid
The entire class had to self isolate for two weeks

publuc health told my wife’s coworker she could go to work though unless she presents symptoms

covids a joke when I see stuff like that
I’m supposed to worry about youth... give me a break

 

[Xspyrit]

everyone in my life is young... I’m not worried about kids
My wife’s coworker has a kid and a classmate had covid
The entire class had to self isolate for two weeks

publuc health told my wife’s coworker she could go to work though unless she presents symptoms

covids a joke when I see stuff like that
I’m supposed to worry about youth... give me a break

My kids go to school/daycare everyday

I am still worried they bring it back and give it to their mother who is young but has a blood pre-condition and not a strong immune system like her brothers

One of my children is autistic and has had epileptic seizures in the past. He's stronger now and understands that he has to keep his mask and stay away a bit from others.

But anyway, not sure why I'm telling you these things. It's not about you, it's not about me, or even my family, it's about EVERYBODY.

A lot of younger people (than 80) without pre-existing conditions have died or will suffer long lasting effects from covid. If we were not doing anything (like masks and social distancing), it would be much much worse (without even talking about even more vulnerable/older people deaths)

These simple facts that my kids under 10 years old understand (of cours not the one in daycare lol) seem to go WELL OVER YOUR HEAD. Which is simply astounding.


In the spring, I understood why some people were skeptical "covids a joke"

You talk about evolution but 9 months later, it seems you haven't EVOLVED a lot

 

[Sens]

If you are not in ltc you have a 99.9 % at living

 

[Micklebot]

If you are not in ltc you have a 99.9 % at living

With 2884 of the 11,496 deaths in Canada not being linked to a LTC facility, and 307,750 of all cases not being linked to LTC, it's actually about 99.06% of people outside of LTC that survive, which says nothing about hospitalizations, or long term effects of those survivors.

 

[Sens]

With 2884 of the 11,496 deaths in Canada not being linked to a LTC facility, and 307,750 of all cases not being linked to LTC, it's actually about 99.06% of people outside of LTC that survive, which says nothing about hospitalizations, or long term effects of those survivors.

I’ll take those odds... thanks for getting up to date numbers

 

[Sens]

Hopefully Hudson Bay wins
Hudson’s Bay takes Ontario government to court in bid to ease retail lockdowns

 

[pzeeman]

Some people don't really realize how bad it could have been if we didn't do anything to slow the spread. It's a lack of imagination I guess.

I remember back in February or March, someone who knows what they're talking about said that if we do it right, it will look like we over reacted. And that we don't want to see what it looks like if don't do enough.

 

[SPF6ty9]

With 2884 of the 11,496 deaths in Canada not being linked to a LTC facility, and 307,750 of all cases not being linked to LTC, it's actually about 99.06% of people outside of LTC that survive, which says nothing about hospitalizations, or long term effects of those survivors.

I haven't actually done a deep dive on this, but seems like the thinking is people can get it more than once with deferring symptoms. So you could be taking this 99% chance plus whatever for complications more than once.

 

[pzeeman]

I’ll take those odds... thanks for getting up to date numbers

Living is important, but really should be the most basic of goals.

I am curious how you feel about young people who live but have long-haul symptoms - “Unfortunately, it does seem like this is something anybody can come down with after their infection”
Or how about living but spending time in ICU or hospitalized (about 1 in 5 cases)? What about when someone is in an emergency (car accident, heart attack, stroke) and could have been saved in 2019, but all the beds and doctors are taken by COVID patients? According to the CDC, about 20% of those hospitalized are under 50. Survival of the fittest?
Personally, this collateral damage is what scares me the most. Not to mention the stress this puts on already overworked doctors and nurses.
It's a sh!t sandwich all around. It's taken an educational and psychological toll on my teens. It's taken a personal toll on my relationships and finances. But you know what? It's the right thing to do for the greater good.

 

[swiftwin]

With 2884 of the 11,496 deaths in Canada not being linked to a LTC facility, and 307,750 of all cases not being linked to LTC, it's actually about 99.06% of people outside of LTC that survive, which says nothing about hospitalizations, or long term effects of those survivors.

Lots of elderly outside of LTC catching it though.

Either way, the CDC says that if you're between 50-70, it's 99.5%. If you're between 20-50, it's 99.98%. If you're under 20, it's 99.997%. Source.
The WHO says that if you're under 70, it's 99.95%. They also note "COVID-19 has a very steep age gradient for risk of death". Source.

Nevertheless, I'm not saying we should carry on as if COVID doesn't exist. I fully support the measures in place to reduce the spread. I'm just saying it's important to present the facts as they are, and not spread false or misleading information. That just erodes trust. The fact is that COVID absolutely affects the elderly far far more than it does younger people. If you're young and healthy, you shouldn't be worried about yourself if you catch it. However, you need to be extremely worried about passing it on to other, more vulnerable people, or other people who are in close contact with vulnerable people.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

I watched my mom die at 19 from complications to Crones and that’s how I viewed it
Thems the breaks

I think you should talk to a professional my friend. Your lack of/inability to show any compassion is troublesome for sure.