OT: Everything COVID19 - PART 7

[JD1]

This article mentions the need for a registry of rhe vaccinated, something I brought up a week or so ago

CBC.ca: Here's what's missing from Canada's pandemic vaccine rollout.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccines-last-mile-1.5834104

Click to read more...

 

[Xspyrit]

You think that all people of this plant are these wonderful, caring, loving creatures. That large parts of society are not, Xenophobes, Racists, selfish, uncaring? Do you not think there are large sections of our society that looks at other large sections with disdain, and would love to get rid of them? One nut 75 -80 years ago was putting people in ovens...Another, was sending people to die in Gulags.

Do you not think that there are people who are okay with this virus attacking the impoverished, specific ethnic groups, etc.? Your Brazilian friend has millions of people in ghettos (favela). DO you think he gives damn? do you think other Brazilians give a damn if those favelas get ripped to shreds? If they did, would they not have spent the last 100 years trying to fix the problem.

The tragedy of times of crises is: it unmasks us and shows our true character. We discover that we are, far less than noble to outright evil.

My companion needed emergency dental work. Her dentist would only see her if she paid a flat fee up front....In the early days of the pandemic, with humanity being concerned. People like that dentist was only looking to profit. Do you think that that dentist gives a rat's ass who lives and who dies?

Dictators are perfectly willing to use savage force to suppress revolt. Syria used chemical weapons on its own people. Do you think that large sectors of that nation's ruling class give a rats ass if the bulk of the citizenry, specifically the improvised and downtrodden die??? Heck, I am guessing, they are welcoming it.

What I am telling you is: we human beings can be bad creatures and can induce and/or idly sit by and watch suffering on our fellow man and not flinch. And worse, we can sometimes welcome it as a good thing..Tragic, but real.

Yes there are a lot of people that are bad/evil, careless, selfish. But the majority of people are good enough and worth fighting for. It's a minority that is always making the life of majority much harder/complicated than it should be. Personally, I see the 80/20 rule everywhere

If you're sole reason for getting vaccinated is not to wear a mask, you have seriously messed up priorities.

Or people are dumb and ignore public health advice to their detriment all the time. It is what it is. Really selfish to put all our essential care workers through worse stuff because of a lack of self control in my view. But maybe I'm "biased" because my parent is a 1st responder...

You're not biased, you just have a conscience. It makes me wonder if some people have ever seen people suffer. Have they ever seen a dead body? Have they ever assisted funerals and see close family/friends in emotional distress? I buried one of my best friends 2 years ago and it still f***ing hurts. I buried his father 2 weeks ago, I didn't even know what to say to my friend's brother. It was not as bad as when my mother died in my arms but still pretty bad. Or the other 3 funerals I attended this year, like my friend losing his pregnant 28 y/o wife this summer. A lot of freaking pain. Now imagine the tragedy this virus has been for so many families around the world.

I bet you're the kind of person that would do everything you could to save other people from drowning in a rafting accident and you would not just be "hey look guys, I'm fine"

But hey bruv, wearing a mask is a PRETTY BIG f***ING DEAL

Don't you leave in reality?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

This article mentions the need for a registry of rhe vaccinated, something I brought up a week or so ago

CBC.ca: Here's what's missing from Canada's pandemic vaccine rollout.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccines-last-mile-1.5834104

I would think that the provinces probably have something that would be suitable to collect the data , then it would be a matter of standardizing on some fields like
health card number, vaccine date, vaccine name..
Data identifying individuals by health card number should also be easy enough to standardize on to collect in a database.

There are probably alternatives to rolling out a whole new system across the country

 

[DaveMatthew]

Quotes like this won’t make those weary of a rushed vaccine more comfortable:

Tam said while the clinical trials for vaccine candidates haven't shown any serious side-effects, it's only when the immunizations are rolled out to millions of people worldwide that any rare ones could be spotted.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Quotes like this won’t make those weary of a rushed vaccine more comfortable:

The game of Russian roulette continues.

 

[NyQuil]

I'm not sure what the alternative is.

Wait five years to see what happens to the test group?

 

[foggyvisor]

Stage 4 baby. We're all gonna be a part of it.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Quotes like this won’t make those weary of a rushed vaccine more comfortable:

Well... yeah. Rare side-effects are just that: rare. Not common, therefore not easily replicable or even present in your average test group. I mean... it's basic science. This can't be a surprise to anyone who's trying to understand in good faith.

 

[JD1]

I would think that the provinces probably have something that would be suitable to collect the data , then it would be a matter of standardizing on some fields like
health card number, vaccine date, vaccine name..
Data identifying individuals by health card number should also be easy enough to standardize on to collect in a database.

There are probably alternatives to rolling out a whole new system across the country

The problem is the lack of an electronic health record which in this day and age is shameful. The technology for this has been around for 25 years.

Sure the provinces could all stand something up, but how do you validate you've been vaccinated if you're from Ontario but happen to be in Manitoba?

They'll figure it out. The only national identifier is SIN.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The problem is the lack of an electronic health record which in this day and age is shameful. The technology for this has been around for 25 years.

Sure the provinces could all stand something up, but how do you validate you've been vaccinated if you're from Ontario but happen to be in Manitoba?

They'll figure it out. The only national identifier is SIN.

It's worse than that. In Ontario, there are a hell of a lot of genx/boomers still sporting outdated red & white health cards that are expired. From what I hear, a fair number of folks were having issues crossing over - and that was before the pandemic hit. That's going to be a real mess for the Ontario government to sort out.

 

[Micklebot]

It's worse than that. In Ontario, there are a hell of a lot of genx/boomers still sporting outdated red & white health cards that are expired. From what I hear, a fair number of folks were having issues crossing over - and that was before the pandemic hit. That's going to be a real mess for the Ontario government to sort out.

I miss my red and white health card. Never expired, no need to renew. The green photo id card that your not allowed to use as photo id for anything has been a waste of resources imo...

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I miss my red and white health card. Never expired, no need to renew. The green photo id card that your not allowed to use as photo id for anything has been a waste of resources imo...

It was also great for people with distant relatives who could fly into the country and get free healthcare.

 

[Micklebot]

It was also great for people with distant relatives who could fly into the country and get free healthcare.

Ya, my distant cousin that i fly in everytime they have a cold missed my old red and white card too...

Anyways, there's only about 300k left in circulation, and they were planing to stop accepting them this past July, not sure what happened with that thanks to the pandemic.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Ya, my distant cousin that i fly in everytime they have a cold missed my old red and white card too...

Anyways, there's only about 300k left in circulation, and they were planing to stop accepting them this past July, not sure what happened with that thanks to the pandemic.

When asked by CBC about the incident during a media briefing on Wednesday, Ontario Health Minister Christine Elliott said that during the pandemic she expects health providers to show leniency when it comes to expired health cards.

"These are situations where we shouldn't be penalizing people for under those circumstances," said Elliott. "So it's something that I can certainly take a look at, because this is not really the kind of situation we expected to be facing."

In a statement issued later, the Ministry of Health said: "Most expired and expiring health cards remain valid at this time in response to COVID-19, and can continue to be used for accessing insured health services until further notice. Individuals with invalid health cards need to attend ServiceOntario to renew."

 

[Micklebot]

When asked by CBC about the incident during a media briefing on Wednesday, Ontario Health Minister Christine Elliott said that during the pandemic she expects health providers to show leniency when it comes to expired health cards.

"These are situations where we shouldn't be penalizing people for under those circumstances," said Elliott. "So it's something that I can certainly take a look at, because this is not really the kind of situation we expected to be facing."

In a statement issued later, the Ministry of Health said: "Most expired and expiring health cards remain valid at this time in response to COVID-19, and can continue to be used for accessing insured health services until further notice. Individuals with invalid health cards need to attend ServiceOntario to renew."

Yeah, so that's a bit vague. Red and white cards don't expire, so was 1 jul an imposed expiry date, or was the card set to become invalid as of that date?

 

[Xspyrit]

I'm not sure what the alternative is.

Wait five years to see what happens to the test group?

A suggestion I have seen on plural occasions this year is let everybody catch it so we will eventually be fine. All you need is a strong immune system (so basically too bad for you if don't have one lol)

 

[Sens]

A suggestion I have seen on plural occasions this year is let everybody catch it so we will eventually be fine. All you need is a strong immune system (so basically too bad for you if don't have one lol)

That’s how evolution works
The sickies die and the healthy move on

 

[NyQuil]

Yeah, so that's a bit vague. Red and white cards don't expire, so was 1 jul an imposed expiry date, or was the card set to become invalid as of that date?

It's funny, I held on to mine until the bitter end, but ended up going to the hospital eventually where they actually confiscated it. The strip on mine didn't work anymore anyway.

During my Masters degree (this was back in around 2010), we had a guest speaker who was responsible for the new Health Cards. She was imploring us to go with the new cards.

I remember telling her (jokingly): "From my COLD DEAD HANDS!!!".

In any event, with the way government services are these days, a quick jaunt to the office and you get your Driver's License and Health Card updated simultaneously so I'm actually pretty impressed with the process.

 

[NyQuil]

That’s how evolution works
The sickies die and the healthy move on

We should go back to the good old days of 40 year lifespans.

You know, letting nature take its course.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

That’s how evolution works
The sickies die and the healthy move on

An evolved perspective

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Yeah, so that's a bit vague. Red and white cards don't expire, so was 1 jul an imposed expiry date, or was the card set to become invalid as of that date?

Red and whites were to expire in March 2020. Once the pandemic hit, they extended most (98%) people. I would think there are reasons for those excluded, like card abuse, or non-residents.

Universal healthcare is awesome when it is not abused.

 

[Sens]

We should go back to the good old days of 40 year lifespans.

You know, letting nature take its course.

1% if the population of ontairio has gotten this terrifying disease after nine months

80 year old ltc need to be alert... the rest of society this is a joke

I can’t wait to see 80% if the population gather for Xmas... love it

 

[HSF]

1% if the population of ontairio has gotten this terrifying disease after nine months

80 year old ltc need to be alert... the rest of society this is a joke

I can’t wait to see 80% if the population gather for Xmas... love it

after 9 months of masking and precautions and lockdown*

 

[NyQuil]

I was actually involved in a panel that convened all of the provincial CIOs (Chief Information Officers) as well as federal representatives and they were looking at Smart Cards.

This was quite a few years ago mind you, maybe 5?

Essentially, you would have all of your government services on one card, and in some international jurisdictions, you can even have your credit or banking information on that card as well.

It turns out that Canadians are not very receptive to this concept, despite the fact that they can essentially prohibit certain government services from accessing other parts of the card (e.g. Police accessing your health information).

With respect to privacy, we are much more conservative than Asian countries as well as some European countries (e.g. Spain).

 

[NyQuil]

1% if the population of ontairio has gotten this terrifying disease after nine months

Most people would consider that a win.

80 year old ltc need to be alert... the rest of society this is a joke

I can’t wait to see 80% if the population gather for Xmas... love it

Society is just a long-term care home waiting to happen without restrictions.

But you made your mind up months and months ago so I don't even know why I bother responding anymore.

We know - you're a chef/work in the food services industry, you get tons of money to stay home thanks to CERB, and apparently you're super happy about it, even though you complain about it constantly.