Value of: Everyone on the Islanders

[Diablo2020]

The problem comes down to all these filler pieces you’re offering, not the picks itself. Offering a massive cap dump like Ellis, Krug, Gallagher will warrant more than just a 1st for the ask from the Isles. They’re all big cap dumps with term. Even if the Isles take Carey Prices’ cap in return that’s still a piece on LTIR that they need to essentially utilize the vacant cap space from in order to still get to the floor.
Based on the actual roster construction, it’s more of a retool team than a complete rebuild.

The fillers all suck and eat capspace yes.

This is a mid season cap friendly bliztkrieg. I want these deals done now. Today.

Philly desperately needs a tendy.

Sorokin makes 8.25.

Philly is up against the cap.

Truly I really want Farabee, Foerster, Bonk, ect.

But Philly wants to maintain current team to make a push.

If they could snap their fingers tomorrow and swap Fedotov for Sorokin I feel they'd like to though.

But losing Farabee tomorrow kind of hurts.

Can I truly ask for three 1sts?

Can any other team actually take on Ilya at 8.25 tomorrow?

Do the Isles spend a year fielding better offers that never materialize?

No just rip off the bandaid, start circling the 2027 UFA version of Brandon Montour to use with the Ryan Ellis capspace.

Plan to draft a Foerster and a Bonk in 2025.

Use Fedotov to tank with Varly.

All just as my Philly trade example.

 

[miscs75]

The fillers all suck and eat capspace yes.

This is a mid season cap friendly bliztkrieg. I want these deals done now. Today.

Philly desperately needs a tendy.

Sorokin makes 8.25.

Philly is up against the cap.

Truly I really want Farabee, Foerster, Bonk, ect.

But Philly wants to maintain current team to make a push.

If they could snap their fingers tomorrow and swap Fedotov for Sorokin I feel they'd like to though.

But losing Farabee tomorrow kind of hurts.

Can I truly ask for three 1sts?

Can any other team actually take on Ilya at 8.25 tomorrow?

Do the Isles spend a year fielding better offers that never materialize?

No just rip off the bandaid, start circling the 2027 UFA version of Brandon Montour to use with the Ryan Ellis capspace.

Plan to draft a Foerster and a Bonk in 2025.

Use Fedotov to tank with Varly.

All just as my Philly trade example.

You’re asking a rival to give up a top 5 goalie and essentially offering a downgrade, cap dump (with decent term) and a 1st in return. None of that benefits the Isles at all and there’s no incentive to do that. Teams would easily make a better offer for Sorokin if he was to become available.
That would be like going to the Rangers, asking for Igor (signed to an 8 year deal) and offering the same package with expectations of them saying yes. Good luck getting anyone with a top 10 goalie to say yes to that deal.
The Metro isn’t the western Canada hockey carousel. Metro teams rarely trade with each other like this. The last time that happened was the Palmieri & Zajac to NYI at the deadline.

 

[Diablo2020]

You’re asking a rival to give up a top 5 goalie and essentially offering a downgrade, cap dump (with decent term) and a 1st in return. None of that benefits the Isles at all and there’s no incentive to do that. Teams would easily make a better offer for Sorokin if he was to become available.
That would be like going to the Rangers, asking for Igor (signed to an 8 year deal) and offering the same package with expectations of them saying yes. Good luck getting anyone with a top 10 goalie to say yes to that deal.
The Metro isn’t the western Canada hockey carousel. Metro teams rarely trade with each other like this. The last time that happened was the Palmieri & Zajac to NYI at the deadline.

Linus Ullmark just got traded for Korpisalo's corpse, Mark Kastelic and #25 overall.

So thats Fedotov's corpse and the late pick.

I added a 2nd first for Ellis's corpse but left out the tweener.

Sorokin keeps the Isles in the mushy middle.

Sending him to Philly tomorrow pretty much guarantees a top 5 pick which is my main goal. Not getting max value a year from now from Ilya, maybe.

Its either Ellis and Fedotov or something close like Grubauer's corpse or Binnington's corpse in the end, hate to break it to you.

 

[hamzarocks]

The assets you’re offering just don’t move the needle though. Starting with a 2nd and adding filler pieces isn’t even comparable to what similar centers have gone for. Elias Lindholm and Bo Horvat deals are what I’m thinking Brock would easily return.


Minnesota doesn’t have Joe Veleno and I’m passing on that for Bo Horvat.

Its the other Buium

His older brother who was a 2nd rounder and is doing solid as a prospect.

Trade would be with DRW

 

[BleedBlue14]

After seeing this, I've got to ask

Linus Ullmark just got traded for Korpisalo's corpse, Mark Kastelic and #25 overall.

So thats Fedotov's corpse and the late pick.

I added a 2nd first for Ellis's corpse but left out the tweener.

Sorokin keeps the Isles in the mushy middle.

Sending him to Philly tomorrow pretty much guarantees a top 5 pick which is my main goal. Not getting max value a year from now from Ilya, maybe.

Its either Ellis and Fedotov or something close like Grubauer's corpse or Binnington's corpse in the end, hate to break it to you.

Why is Binnington thrown in there as a corpse? I'm not sure anyone that is a fan of the Blues, or that's within the organization has been slightly disappointed by his performances over the last 2-3 years.

Not naive enough to believe he holds a lot of value in a trade, but he holds a good chunk of value to the team.

 

[miscs75]

Its the other Buium

His older brother who was a 2nd rounder and is doing solid as a prospect.

Trade would be with DRW

My point is that the younger brother is the interest.

 

[Diablo2020]

After seeing this, I've got to ask


Why is Binnington thrown in there as a corpse? I'm not sure anyone that is a fan of the Blues, or that's within the organization has been slightly disappointed by his performances over the last 2-3 years.

Not naive enough to believe he holds a lot of value in a trade, but he holds a good chunk of value to the team.

I was just quickly thinking of a 6m dollar goalie who would be retained down to like 3 like Korpisalo was, in the event a top goalie became available.

Korpi 3
Fedotov 3
Grubauer @50
Binner @50

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I think the Wild would be interested in Brock Nelson

 

[miscs75]

Linus Ullmark just got traded for Korpisalo's corpse, Mark Kastelic and #25 overall.

So thats Fedotov's corpse and the late pick.

I added a 2nd first for Ellis's corpse but left out the tweener.

Sorokin keeps the Isles in the mushy middle.

Sending him to Philly tomorrow pretty much guarantees a top 5 pick which is my main goal. Not getting max value a year from now from Ilya, maybe.

It’s either Ellis and Fedotov or something close like Grubauer's corpse or Binnington's corpse in the end, hate to break it to you.

The Isles are still getting less in return then what was sent Ullmark. Add in something better then just a second for that albatross known as the Ryan Ellis contract. Essentially you’re offering a backup goalie, bad contract, 1st and 2nd for a top 5 goalie on a solid deal with term. Quantity for quality just isn’t it in this case.
Trying to claim the Isles need to trade Sorokin for this garbage is the reason why these deals are just awful. If Lou was to move Sorokin, he’s easily getting a 1st (without protection), top prospect and something to offset some of the cap that’s an NHL body.

I think the Wild would be interested in Brock Nelson

If the Isles let him float this summer I can see him going there or WPG honestly.

 

[hamzarocks]

My point is that the younger brother is the interest.

Fair, dont think a trade with the Wild will work in that case.

 

[666]

Barzal, Sorokin, Horvat, Pelech....everyone has to go what are the offers

I will offer the Philadelphia Flyers for the NYI. Who adds?

 

[BleedBlue14]

Have to ask, after seeing this, when does the annual who will Lou Lamorello trade a 1st for this deadline come out?

 

[Diablo2020]

The Isles are still getting less in return then what was sent Ullmark. Add in something better then just a second for that albatross known as the Ryan Ellis contract.

Yeah the other trade was made in the offseason when every team could have been in on it (disregarding his desired locations).

Mine was made October 30 while over half the league is in LTIR already.

Philly has 3 firsts.

One is for your top 5 goalie.

One is for eating Ellis.

Fedotov is to play now.

Yes its only one additional 1st to eat Ellis.

Like a 3rd for one year of Tanner Peason.

A 2nd for two years of Ilya Mikhayev.

And a 1st for 3 years of Ryan Ellis, imo.

Essentially you’re offering a backup goalie, bad contract, 1st and 2nd for a top 5 goalie on a solid deal with term. Quantity for quality just isn’t it in this case.
Trying to claim the Isles need to trade Sorokin for this garbage is the reason why these deals are just awful.

No one needs to trade Ilya for "garbage".

But they should. Today.

The difference between #4 Anton Frondell and #14 Jakob Wozniak makes up for anything better Sorokin could fetch later.

I would have loved if my Canucks got a better package than Beauvillier, Raty and a mid 1st while eating some of Bowie's deal..

..but we immedietly turned that deal into Hronek, Raty, Mueller and the picks to make Zadorov and Lafferty trades last year.

Not even two years later and we used that 8.5 to get Debrusk and Hronek essentially.

5 years of echl calibre would be keeping all the Beauvillier, J.Kotkaniemi, F.Gaudreau types I offloaded on you and not just as serving a immediate purpose.

If Lou was to move Sorokin, he’s easily getting a 1st (without protection), top prospect and something to offset some of the cap that’s an NHL body.

The Korpi trade is right there buddy.

Add Philly's Mark Kastelic if you need i guess.

 

[Chainshot]

Seems like most people are mentioning Brock Nelson. Perhaps the Isles start there, find a team he would accept a deal to and make the best futures trade they can.

 

[seabass45]

Yeah the other trade was made in the offseason when every team could have been in on it (disregarding his desired locations).

Mine was made October 30 while over half the league is in LTIR already.

Philly has 3 firsts.

One is for your top 5 goalie.

One is for eating Ellis.

Fedotov is to play now.

Yes its only one additional 1st to eat Ellis.

Like a 3rd for one year of Tanner Peason.

A 2nd for two years of Ilya Mikhayev.

And a 1st for 3 years of Ryan Ellis, imo.





No one needs to trade Ilya for "garbage".

But they should. Today.

The difference between #4 Anton Frondell and #14 Jakob Wozniak makes up for anything better Sorokin could fetch later.

I would have loved if my Canucks got a better package than Beauvillier, Raty and a mid 1st while eating some of Bowie's deal..

..but we immedietly turned that deal into Hronek, Raty, Mueller and the picks to make Zadorov and Lafferty trades last year.

Not even two years later and we used that 8.5 to get Debrusk and Hronek essentially.

5 years of echl calibre would be keeping all the Beauvillier, J.Kotkaniemi, F.Gaudreau types I offloaded on you and not just as serving a immediate purpose.



The Korpi trade is right there buddy.

Add Philly's Mark Kastelic if you need i guess.

Can we get actual paragraphs here?

 

[miscs75]

Yeah the other trade was made in the offseason when every team could have been in on it (disregarding his desired locations).

Mine was made October 30 while over half the league is in LTIR already.

Philly has 3 firsts.

One is for your top 5 goalie.

One is for eating Ellis.

Fedotov is to play now.

Yes its only one additional 1st to eat Ellis.

Like a 3rd for one year of Tanner Peason.

A 2nd for two years of Ilya Mikhayev.

And a 1st for 3 years of Ryan Ellis, imo.





No one needs to trade Ilya for "garbage".

But they should. Today.

The difference between #4 Anton Frondell and #14 Jakob Wozniak makes up for anything better Sorokin could fetch later.

I would have loved if my Canucks got a better package than Beauvillier, Raty and a mid 1st while eating some of Bowie's deal..

..but we immedietly turned that deal into Hronek, Raty, Mueller and the picks to make Zadorov and Lafferty trades last year.

Not even two years later and we used that 8.5 to get Debrusk and Hronek essentially.

5 years of echl calibre would be keeping all the Beauvillier, J.Kotkaniemi, F.Gaudreau types I offloaded on you and not just as serving a immediate purpose.



The Korpi trade is right there buddy.

Add Philly's Mark Kastelic if you need i guess.

That’s a lot of trades for hopes and dreams of possibly getting someone to improve the team. The initial deal you offered still doesn’t benefit the Islanders outside of moving Sorokin out for substandard pieces in return.
Ullmark (like Horvat) was traded as a pending UFA with a deal signed after the move. The players in both instances could have said no and walked to free agency leaving the acquiring team with empty hands.
So the Islanders need to move Sorokin out just to move him out in hopes of downgrading the team so they can get a better shot at a higher draft pick? Yeah, not going to happen.

 

[miscs75]

Can we get actual paragraphs here?

His whole thing is take Phillys garbage because they need a better goalie. Then it’s some illogical reasoning. In the end I learned that Sheetz is better then Wawa.

 

[Diablo2020]

That’s a lot of trades for hopes and dreams of possibly getting someone to improve the team.

Well supplimenting the core with prizes like Duclair aint it either.

Signing Matt Martin while Tomasino, Berggren, Podkolzin types are in NHL doghouses probably isnt it either.

If theres some magical way to sell your two UFAs then draft 14th and come back as an actual contender next year, obviously explore than avenue.

The initial deal you offered still doesn’t benefit the Islanders outside of moving Sorokin out for substandard pieces in return.
Ullmark (like Horvat) was traded as a pending UFA with a deal signed after the move. The players in both instances could have said no and walked to free agency leaving the acquiring team with empty hands.

And this fantasy trade is done Oct 30 while half the league is in LTIR with set rosters..

Both have not ideal circumstances that lower the expected value.

So the Islanders need to move Sorokin out just to move him out in hopes of downgrading the team so they can get a better shot at a higher draft pick? Yeah, not going to happen.

The entire blowout is hopes and dreams yeah.

The hope that a floundering team with NHL prospects consisting of (checks notes), Cole Eiserman, Danny Nelson and Calle Odelius, can somehow be relevant in the future.

Hopes and dreams turned light at the end of the tunnel when the Isles amass an army and come back with capspace the next few years.

 

[miscs75]

Well supplimenting the core with prizes like Duclair aint it either.

Signing Matt Martin while Tomasino, Berggren, Podkolzin types are in NHL doghouses probably isnt it either.

If theres some magical way to sell your two UFAs then draft 14th and come back as an actual contender next year, obviously explore than avenue.



And this fantasy trade is done Oct 30 while half the league is in LTIR with set rosters..

Both have not ideal circumstances that lower the expected value.



The entire blowout is hopes and dreams yeah.

The hope that a floundering team with NHL prospects consisting of (checks notes), Cole Eiserman, Danny Nelson and Calle Odelius, can somehow be relevant in the future.

Hopes and dreams turned light at the end of the tunnel when the Isles amass an army and come back with capspace the next few years.

Matt Martin was signed because of the Duclair injury and the fact he’s 45 games from 1000. Just about every team would do that with an equivalent player in their organization . If he was a full season or close to it away, Lou wouldn’t have brought him back.
If the Isles are out; is expect them to move out the pending UFAs (Nelson, Palmieri, Fasching, Reilly, Cholowski) for futures, not major pieces of the core.
You’re pushing for the Isles to simply move everyone out and implode because they’ll still wind up better then Philly come April and that’s not a good look for the Flyers rebuild.

 

[seabass45]

Seems like most people are mentioning Brock Nelson. Perhaps the Isles start there, find a team he would accept a deal to and make the best futures trade they can.

The most likely outcome is doing this, trading Palmieri, maybe a couple of other pieces if we're still out of it in February or March. If we do that we're likely sitting in the bottom 12 or so anyway, and signifying a punt on the season would maybe drop us further so we have the best chance at a cornerstone player in the draft.

We can figure out what to do with the longer term contracts in the offseason.

His whole thing is take Phillys garbage because they need a better goalie. Then it’s some illogical reasoning. In the end I learned that Sheetz is better then Wawa.

Oh I can read it, it's just a headache to scroll through. This isn't Twitter.

 

[Diablo2020]

Matt Martin was signed because of the Duclair injury and the fact he’s 45 games from 1000. Just about every team would do that with an equivalent player in their organization . If he was a full season or close to it away, Lou wouldn’t have brought him back.
If the Isles are out; is expect them to move out the pending UFAs (Nelson, Palmieri, Fasching, Reilly, Cholowski) for futures, not major pieces of the core.
You’re pushing for the Isles to simply move everyone out and implode because they’ll still wind up better then Philly come April and that’s not a good look for the Flyers rebuild.

Im objectively looking at the Isles as an orginization top to bottom.

From THIS westcoaster, your Pittsburgh without the cups.

A slew of 30+ players signed long term.

I see FOUR solid pieces in Barzal, Horvat, Dobson and Sorokin.

I see THREE solid prospects in Eiserman, Nelson and Odelius. I could be wrong on Odelius.

I see a team pandering to Matt Martins 1000 NHL game like he won them a cup and hes Pascal Dupuis or Max Talbot.

IMO you trade those 4 because thats the only way you change the identity and build a 50 man roster.

If ever there was a team that needed a Hagens, Misa, Frondell calibre young center its the Islanders imo.

As a Canuck fan im sad at the state of Islander prospect pool, and that says something.

 

[SI90]

Seems like most people are mentioning Brock Nelson. Perhaps the Isles start there, find a team he would accept a deal to and make the best futures trade they can.

Most logical. Three teams I think he would definitely be open to I think would be
MIN WPG and NSH. Not saying they need him or would be interested but those are 3 teams I could see him being ok with

 

[Rebels57]

They need to move on from Looney Lou first. You can't let him oversee a rebuild.

 

[peconcan]

What would it take to get Brock Nelson in Toronto 50% retained? Obviously most of the value would have to come from picks/prospects but Liligren Robertson Kampf Jarnkrok are all available to make salaries work.

 

[miscs75]

What would it take to get Brock Nelson in Toronto 50% retained? Obviously most of the value would have to come from picks/prospects but Liligren Robertson Kampf Jarnkrok are all available to make salaries work.

The 4 guys you’re offering aren’t it, they’re all cap dumps and if any of the 3rd liners/bottom pairing defenseman have term they don’t help either. Plus asking for the 50% retention ups the ask.