Everyone just Breathe

[Buffdog]

Vilardi and Ehlers both out and at the same time really hurt. Both play on our number 1 PP , Ehlers drove the second line and together that's 51 goals out of our lineup. If anyone thinks that hasn't affected our play they aren't looking at this fairly and are just looking to complain. I don't care what team you want to look at, if you take 2 top 6 players out and 2 off of their number 1 PP it's going to effect the team no if and's or but's .

Yeah, but nobody would trade Hintz for them

 

[Jets 31]

The issue is their play.
They are a shell of their regular season selves.
They won game 1 vs Col but really should not have because all their bad habits were exposed. This started again in St. Louis.

Serious question, without Ehler' s to balance the 2nd line and the teams defence crumbling how do you see them righting the ship or who do you see helping to do so?

They are getting Vilardi back which helps the PP but we already beat St.Louis twice in this series why would i not think they can do it again ? If we were down 3-0 in the series then you could say it doesn't look good for the Jets.

 

[FlyerNutter]

f*** dude, you're moving goalposts. Nobody said anything about trade value

You said teams need depth for a playoff run... but my point it that no team has enough depth to absorb the loss of two 60 point players. I used those guys as examples of 60 point players, which they are.

Just to be clear... are you saying that Florida and Dallas would be OK if they lost that kind of production? If you dont like those exqmples, take any two 60 point guys off any team

Because that's what happened to the Jets.

Understand. I’ll rephrase if it helps.

Yes I do think the Panthers, and Stars are built better to withstand some injuries to their second line players.

Let’s expand the criteria, to say Colorado - and Toronto? Do you think they were built to better withinstand potential injuries?

 

[FlyerNutter]

They are getting Vilardi back which helps the PP but we already beat St.Louis twice in this series why would i not think they can do it again ? If we were down 3-0 in the series then you could say it doesn't look good for the Jets.

Think you see Helle strongly respond for game 5.

If they can prevent the Stars from so easily gaining entry with possession, and establishing a cycle. His life gets much easier.

 

[Buffdog]

Understand. I’ll rephrase if it helps.

Yes I do think the Panthers, and Stars are built better to withstand some injuries to their second line players.

Let’s expand the criteria, to say Colorado - and Toronto? Do you think they were built to better withinstand potential injuries?

I think that if you take the 3rd and 4th leading forwaed off any team, including Florida and Dallas (the players i mentioned specifically because that's who they are), then they are going to struggle to score

Whether they're going to struggle more or less would be just pure speculation and that's outside the point I was trying to make.

My point was just they'd be negatively affected, as would any team. No depth would offset that

 

[Jets 31]

Think you see Helle strongly respond for game 5.

If they can prevent the Stars from so easily gaining entry with possession, and establishing a cycle. His life gets much easier.

I think the whole team plays better tomorrow because we have already seen them play much better in this series. I absolutely could be wrong and we could play shity but i prefer to be positive because we know they can play much better and have already the first 2 games of this series.

 

[surixon]

Understand. I’ll rephrase if it helps.

Yes I do think the Panthers, and Stars are built better to withstand some injuries to their second line players.

Let’s expand the criteria, to say Colorado - and Toronto? Do you think they were built to better withinstand potential injuries?

Dallas is the only team that has that type of forward depth.

Colorado is incredibly thin up front. You do realize they only have 2 forwards above 60 points on the year? Take Nelson and Lehkonen and their next highest forward is 13 points behind Perfetti and tied for with Nino/Lowry. They absolutely can't afford to lose anyone. Heck they are fully healthy and Mack is Makar are showing they can't singlehandedly over come their healthy depth.

Vegas has 3 forwards above 60 points. You darn well better believe they'd be in trouble without Hertl and Barbashev. Heck they are healthy and fairing no better against Minny to date.

Kings also have 3 players. Take out Byfield and Fiala and there next best forward is Foegle. Does Kopitar, Kemp and Foegle get it done against a high octane Oiler team?

The point is you take away any team except maybe Dallas's third and fourth best point producers and all of a sudden your depthvlooks bad.

 

[Jets 31]

Since we know Helly needs to be better and have beaten that to death how about some of our other players. Morrissey needs to be way better and we need more production out of everyone not named Scheifele and Connor . If that happens we will win this series.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

They aren't the only good team that has shat the bed in a couple of games in round 1. Dallas is on the verge of advancing even though there two losses to Colorado were equally as lopsided as ours were to the Blues. Vegas had b2b ugly losses to Minny before righting the ship to even their series.

Like every other team that losses ugly they can regroup and win.

The last 2 series where they imploded they could not recover I have PTJPS from this team. Happy to see you are being positive

They are getting Vilardi back which helps the PP but we already beat St.Louis twice in this series why would i not think they can do it again ? If we were down 3-0 in the series then you could say it doesn't look good for the Jets.

He should help but he won't be up to game speed. They did beat them but not the same way St. Louis best the Jets,. They exposed all their weaknesses and the Jets could not push back.
The ugly thus far:

Scheiffele is getting worked over to the point of returning to the old fly by
Connor is playing his typical perimeter playoff game
The second line cannot generate offence
Did the third line
the defencemen are getting pressured by the heavy forecheck with no support; and
Playoffbuck who knows more about goaltending than anyone ever cannot figure out how to stop a long shot

The Good:
Won first 2 games
1st line played well
Stanley did not cost them
Limited the Blues shot attempts

I am not sure how they overcome all that ails them but hope they do.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I think that if you take the 3rd and 4th leading forwaed off any team, including Florida and Dallas (the players i mentioned specifically because that's who they are), then they are going to struggle to score

Whether they're going to struggle more or less would be just pure speculation and that's outside the point I was trying to make.

My point was just they'd be negatively affected, as would any team. No depth would offset that

Nobody is arguing that injuries have negative effects. Gambling on the health of Ehlers was foolish to begin with, but I can understand the gamble.

You refuse to answer the question whether the teams I listed, or you listed for that matter - are better built to withstand injuries.

I understand why, as we both know the conclusion.

 

[raideralex99]

So who is having a hard time breathing .... Jet fans with the series tied 2-2 and game #5 in Winnipeg or
Avs fans being down 3-2 with the next game in Colorado?

 

[Buffdog]

Nobody is arguing that injuries have negative effects. Gambling on the health of Ehlers was foolish to begin with, but I can understand the gamble.

You refuse to answer the question whether the teams I listed, or you listed for that matter - are better built to withstand injuries.

I understand why, as we both know the conclusion.

None are built well enough to withstand injuries to their 3rd and 4th highest scoring forwards

You're essentially asking which ship would sink fastest. That was never my point... it was just that they'd all end up sinking - so I have no idea why you'd even ask that

 

[Cypruss]

So whose is having a hard time breathing .... Jet fans with the series tied 2-2 and game #5 in Winnipeg or
Avs fans being down 3-2 with the next game in Colorado?

An Dallas is doing this without:

Jason Robertson and Miro Heiskanen. That would be like the Jets without Connor and Morrisey.

 

[FlyerNutter]

None are built well enough to withstand injuries to their 3rd and 4th highest scoring forwards

You're essentially asking which ship would sink fastest. That was never my point... it was just that they'd all end up sinking - so I have no idea why you'd even ask that

I mean we are just conversing for the sake fun now as both are dug in, and that’s acceptable from my end.

In terms of overall let’s call it - star power. Which teams have more out of Dallas, and Florida? I’m going to stick to the two examples you wished to use. Those teams, or the Winnipeg Jets?

I think it’s easy to say that it’s not the team we cheer for.

So not only do the Jets have less depth to overcome an injury, but they are less top heavy to have their own best players carry the remaining load - if injuries are to happen.

This didn’t require a call to Miss Cleo, it’s a repeated theme. If they are to come out of this series, it can’t be all on 81, and 55. Even if they have a couple of injuries. The other guys haven’t even gotten up to the dance floor.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I agree other teams have had lopsided losses but the Jets have done this before and simply look outclassed.
The other teams still seem to play with pace, "piss and vinegar"
The Jets need to do some real soul-searching to find their game again. I am not sure it is that easy.

I don’t think we have been outclassed in this series

 

[Eyeseeing]

Since we know Helly needs to be better and have beaten that to death how about some of our other players. Morrissey needs to be way better and we need more production out of everyone not named Scheifele and Connor . If that happens we will win this series.

So much this.
Lots of players can step up any time now.

 

[Jets 31]

I don’t think we have been outclassed in this series

Some have already forgotten that we won the first 2 games of this series.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Some have already forgotten that we won the first 2 games of this series.

It sucks to lose, but sometimes it happens,
Best of 3 now, boys gotta bring it

 

[Jets 31]

So much this.
Lots of players can step up any time now.

Morrissey with 2 assists ,Lowry with 1 empty net goal, Namestnikov nothing, Neo nothing Iafallo 1 point. We need more from all of these guys, even Appleton has 2 points.

 

[Buffdog]

I mean we are just conversing for the sake fun now as both are dug in, and that’s acceptable from my end.

In terms of overall let’s call it - star power. Which teams have more out of Dallas, and Florida? I’m going to stick to the two examples you wished to use. Those teams, or the Winnipeg Jets?

I think it’s easy to say that it’s not the team we cheer for.

So not only do the Jets have less depth to overcome an injury, but they are less top heavy to have their own best players carry the remaining load - if injuries are to happen.

This didn’t require a call to Miss Cleo, it’s a repeated theme. If they are to come out of this series, it can’t be all on 81, and 55. Even if they have a couple of injuries. The other guys haven’t even gotten up to the dance floor.

I'm not dug in, I'm just plain right about the point I was making - no team has the depth to absorb the loss of two 60+ point forwards

I'm not interested in any other discussion, because it would devolve to "my opinion is righter than your opinion" and that's unknowable and unprovable

Sure, you could argue about which team would he more f***ed or less f***ed if that happened... but, like I've said four times now, that was never my point to start with.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I'm not dug in, I'm just plain right about the point I was making - no team has the depth to absorb the loss of two 60+ point forwards

I'm not interested in any other discussion, because it would devolve to "my opinion is righter than your opinion" and that's unknowable and unprovable

Sure, you could argue about which team would he more f***ed or less f***ed if that happened... but, like I've said four times now, that was never my point to start with.

Let me answer the question for you.

There are teams with higher levels of talent, more top heavy - if you will. The Jets are not one of those teams, thus depth - or lack of thereof should be more important.

You’re incorrect that every team’s secondary scoring would be as obliterated as the Jets has been if there were to lose two players. The Jets left themselves zero room for error, and I need you to only look at when Namestnikov scored his last goal to solidify my point.

You’re simply avoiding a conclusion you know is coming.

 

[surixon]

I mean we are just conversing for the sake fun now as both are dug in, and that’s acceptable from my end.

In terms of overall let’s call it - star power. Which teams have more out of Dallas, and Florida? I’m going to stick to the two examples you wished to use. Those teams, or the Winnipeg Jets?

I think it’s easy to say that it’s not the team we cheer for.

So not only do the Jets have less depth to overcome an injury, but they are less top heavy to have their own best players carry the remaining load - if injuries are to happen.

This didn’t require a call to Miss Cleo, it’s a repeated theme. If they are to come out of this series, it can’t be all on 81, and 55. Even if they have a couple of injuries. The other guys haven’t even gotten up to the dance floor.

Why are you even talking about star power now. That was never the conversation and Noone has ever argued Winnipeg has more of it upfront then other contending teams. The Jets middle 6 has been amongst the tops in the league at outscoring the past two years. That is where we've shone at forward.

Our star power is in net and at D with Helle and JoMo. We match up against nearly anyone in the league in terms of 1g and number 1 dmen combo.

This team was built from the goalie out, whereas other teams where designed more top heavy upfront.

 

[raideralex99]

An Dallas is doing this without:

Jason Robertson and Miro Heiskanen. That would be like the Jets without Connor and Morrisey.

But the million dollar question is do the Jets get the calls like the Stars get.
Social media from the Avs are roasting the officiating today from last night's game while the Jets social media are blaming Hellebuyck. Half of the penalties the Jets received in the 4 games would not be called in other series.
John Garrett mentioned it a couple of times in the last game. "The mugging of Scheifele ... a scrum and only a Jet player gets a penalty?" and that penalty lead to the 3rd goal.
The Schenn penalty for pulling a Blues helmet off ... I have seen it happen 4 times in the last week twice last night and NO penalty for that infraction ALL 4 times.
In the playoffs you have 2 good teams playing each one mistake could be the difference in the game and the last thing a team needs is a BS penalty.

 

[surixon]

But the million dollar question is do the Jets get the calls like the Stars get.
Social media from the Avs are roasting the officiating today from last night's game while the Jets social media are blaming Hellebuyck. Half of the penalties the Jets received in the 4 games would not be called in other series.
John Garrett mentioned it a couple of times in the last game. "The mugging of Scheifele ... a scrum and only a Jet player gets a penalty?" and that penalty lead to the 3rd goal.
The Schenn penalty for pulling a Blues helmet off ... I have seen it happen 4 times in the last week twice last night and NO penalty for that infraction ALL 4 times.
In the playoffs you have 2 good teams playing each one mistake could be the difference in the game and the last thing a team needs is a BS penalty.

Yup, the officiating has been crap and you are 100% correct about the helmet thing. It's infuriating we have been the only team called for it.

 

[raideralex99]

Some have already forgotten that we won the first 2 games of this series.

Are you sure?
All these posts reads its like the Jets are down 3-0 and facing elimination.