Every Leafs Season Since 2017 Follows The Same Trend

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Everything meaningful in life is rooted in care or lack of care. Care is the most important thing involved in being successful in anything you do or are involved with.
Lmao. That's not even close to true. So much else factors into success in life and especially in hockey than just whether you care or not. That's such a disconnected, privileged mindset.
It's mind-boggling that anybody could think that these guys don't care. If anything, it's more likely they care too much.
 
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If we had all of the things above. Why do we have nothing to show for except a single series win.

You're flat out wrong and that is the strangest explanation for killer instinct I have ever heard lol.

By the end of the 2024-25 season, the Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly core will have been together for 9 seasons, which is the same amount of time as when the Edmonton Oilers entered the NHL in 1979-80 to the time when they sold Wayne Gretzky to Los Angeles capturing the bulk of their dynasty years.
 
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By the end of the 2024-25 season, the Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly core will have been together for 9 seasons, which is the same amount of time as when the Edmonton Oilers entered the NHL in 1979-80 to the time when they sold Wayne Gretzky to Los Angeles capturing the bulk of their dynasty years.
We'd probably have a bunch of cups too if we had the best player in the history of the game and no cap.
 
We'd probably have a bunch of cups too if we had the best player in the history of the game and no cap.
We may have the best goal scorer of all time. According to you probably a top 10 playmaker of all time. JT will be a top 100 player of all time and Nylander may be as well.

That's good enough for 1 round?
 
Guys with "killer instinct" are real gamers! Fiercely competitive! They will never stop pushing! Nothing will deter them! They will come through no matter what!... unless a couple players on the team aren't "killer instinct" buddies with them. Then they stop caring and give up and decide to no longer be clutch. That's who we want!

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The truth is, "killer instinct" is less of an individual trait than people like to pretend.
As leaf fans maybe we have forgotten what killer instinct really is……it’s been so long since we had any.
 
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Lmao. That's not even close to true. So much else factors into success in life and especially in hockey than just whether you care or not. That's such a disconnected, privileged mindset.
It's mind-boggling that anybody could think that these guys don't care. If anything, it's more likely they care too much.
We can’t win in the playoffs because they care to much. Serious question here. You have to be spoofing us.
All you have to do is watch the games with an unbiased eye to see that they simply not good enough.
 
We may have the best goal scorer of all time. According to you probably a top 10 playmaker of all time. JT will be a top 100 player of all time and Nylander may be as well.
Even if that were all true, that doesn't sound like the best player in the history of the game (plus many other great players) and no cap.
Though if we were facing 80s goaltending, we may have a dynasty too anyway.
We can’t win in the playoffs because they care to much. Serious question here. You have to be spoofing us.
All you have to do is watch the games with an unbiased eye to see that they simply not good enough.
Any unbiased observer would see that they care a ton.
 
The Leafs do always look like world-beaters in November. I wonder what the reason for that is exactly. It might be that teams haven't yet tightened things up all that much and the playing style suits them. Then again, games are even more wide-open and higher-scoring in October, no? Why are they constantly about a .500 team in October?

I remember during the Kessel era, they got off to a great start (record-wise) a couple of times and then struggled when play really tightened up around the League late in the season.
This team plays better when Matthews is not in the lineup when he is out of the lineup they have way more wins than losses
 
Even if that were all true, that doesn't sound like the best player in the history of the game (plus many other great players) and no cap.
Though if we were facing 80s goaltending, we may have a dynasty too anyway.
The last 5 Cup winners didn't have the best player in the history of the game, not even close. Amazing they were able to win a cup using your idiotic criteria.
Any unbiased observer would see that they care a ton.
Any unbiased observer knows their past playoff performances have been severely lacking.
 
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Care doesn’t show up on a spreadsheet. Hence Dekes not realizing what you were saying.
This guy has no clue about effort, intensity, physicality, care, etc. pretty sure he's never laced up a pair skates let alone played an organized hockey game.
 
The last 5 Cup winners didn't have the best player in the history of the game, not even close. Amazing they were able to win a cup using your idiotic criteria.

Any unbiased observer knows their past playoff performances have been severely lacking.
Lacking absolutely but pretty silly to think they don’t care.
 
The last 5 Cup winners didn't have the best player in the history of the game, not even close.
And the last 5 cup winners didn't equal the Oilers Dynasty either.
Any unbiased observer knows their past playoff performances have been severely lacking.
Whether or not you think that, it has nothing to do with "care".
This guy has no clue about effort, intensity, physicality, care, etc. pretty sure he's never laced up a pair skates let alone played an organized hockey game.
I've skated, played organized hockey, and know more about effort, intensity, physicality, care, etc. than you ever will.
 
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Lacking absolutely but pretty silly to think they don’t care.
I'm sure they care, but so far not nearly enough. Intensity, physicality and effort get turned way up in the playoffs which is why they're so great to watch, for some reason our stars haven't turned it all the way up yet. Willy and Matty have shown improvement, hoping Marner will this year too. Sometimes it takes awhile to learn. Kane, Ovie, Yzerman, Malkin, Hull, etc all had to learn and they got their Cup. We'll see if our stars eventually get there too.
 
And the last 5 cup winners didn't equal the Oilers Dynasty either.
Red Herring.

A red herring fallacy is an attempt to redirect a conversation away from its original topic. A red herring is used by introducing an irrelevant piece of information that distracts the reader or listener.
Whether or not you think that, it has nothing to do with "care".
If your performance is lacking it certainly does.
I've skated, played organized hockey, and know more about effort, intensity, physicality, care, etc. than you ever will.
Cool story bro!
 
I'm sure they care, but so far not nearly enough. Intensity, physicality and effort get turned way up in the playoffs which is why they're so great to watch, for some reason our stars haven't turned it all the way up yet. Willy and Matty have shown improvement, hoping Marner will this year too. Sometimes it takes awhile to learn. Kane, Ovie, Yzerman, Malkin, Hull, etc all had to learn and they got their Cup. We'll see if our stars eventually get there too.
I just mentioned ‘care’ since that’s the word that others had used.
There are certainly intangibles in hockey that are difficult to measure like turning it up. I’d like to think they’ll get there eventually
 
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The irony. Might want to try actually reading the original topic you replied to.
I've read it. You claimed the Leafs would win a cup too if they had the best player to ever play the game, I pointed out the last 5 teams to win the Cup didn't have that player, not even close and then you responded as usual with a red herring about the Oilers "dynasty".
There's more to performance (and the production you mistake for performance) than caring.
Caring plays a big part. The the lack of production (1 win past the first wound) is what happens when you don't care quite enough.
 
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I've read it. You claimed the Leafs would win a cup too if they had the best player to ever play the game, I pointed out the last 5 teams to win the Cup didn't have that player, not even close and then you responded as usual with a red herring about the Oilers "dynasty".
Actually, the original topic was an individual comparing the Matthews era with the Oilers dynasty, and I said "We'd probably have a bunch of cups too if we had the best player in the history of the game and no cap." And then you came in "introducing an irrelevant piece of information that distracts the reader" in "an attempt to redirect a conversation away from its original topic". You know, I think there's a word for that...
Caring plays a big part.
Not nearly as much so you seem to think, and it's not been the issue for our players.
 
Vegas won in the first few years of their existence and they certainly don’t have the best player in the league and not 4 supposed super stars with some of the highest contracts in the league
What’s up with that bro
 
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Actually, the original topic was an individual comparing the Matthews era with the Oilers dynasty, and I said "We'd probably have a bunch of cups too if we had the best player in the history of the game and no cap." And then you came in "introducing an irrelevant piece of information that distracts the reader" in "an attempt to redirect a conversation away from its original topic". You know, I think there's a word for that...
Yes and I directly disputed that, you couldn't answer so responded with some red herring nonsense about "the last 5 cup winners didn't equal the Oilers Dynasty either" which has zero to do with the Leafs having "the best player to ever play the game" helping them when cups.

Not nearly as much so you seem to think, and it's not been the issue for our players.
It's obviously not enough, otherwise we'd have more than 1 win past the first round, so yes it is an issue.

Vegas won in the first few years of their existence and they certainly don’t have the best player in the league and not 4 supposed super stars with some of the highest contracts in the league
What’s up with that bro
He never answers that, expect more dodging and red herrings.
 
Time to throw it in, I guess.

It was less stressful when they missed the playoffs every year and sometimes nearly got the eighth and final playoff spot.
 

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