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Value of: Evan Bouchard

Honestly he might ask for 11-12M now.
Not unfair, considering how much the cap is projected to rise. The dude has his warts, but he’s indispensable come playoff time for the Oilers. Legitimately just as valuable as Ekholm if not more so. They just have different jobs.

They do need to wait until they know what’s happening with McDavid first though, imo.
 
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as I've said before in other threads, I think it's a no-win situation for the Oil

Probably so. But in no win situations the GM is usually gonna choose to pay his star rather than give them up for depth.

Unless the star is like 35. That's when you start seeing them move on.
 
Not unfair, considering how much the cap is projected to rise. The dude has his warts, but he’s indispensable come playoff time for the Oilers. Legitimately just as valuable as Ekholm if not more so. They just have different jobs.

They do need to wait until they know what’s happening with McDavid first though, imo.
Not necessarily. The way the Oilers contracts are structured they'll have ~60 million in cap space when McDavid is slated to hit UFA, even with a longterm Bouchard extension. Kane's contract is up the same year, same with Ekholm, Walman, Skinner, Arvidsson, Henrique. The cash will be there for McDavid regardless of what happens with Bouchard.

In my opinion Bouchard is the third core piece of this team, along with McDavid and Draisaitl. Everyone and anyone else is replaceable.
 
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Not necessarily. The way the Oilers contracts are structured they'll have ~60 million in cap space when McDavid is slated to hit UFA, even with a longterm Bouchard extension. Kane's contract is up the same year, same with Ekholm, Walman, Skinner, Arvidsson, Henrique. The cash will be there for McDavid regardless of what happens with Bouchard.

In my opinion Bouchard is the third core piece of this team, along with McDavid and Draisaitl. Everyone and anyone else is replaceable.
I’d add Ekholm to that list as well, tbh. Hard to find a D like him. And in terms of everyone else being replaceable, on an individual basis, sure, but the overall depth they have now is really the difference between now and the early years of McDrai, and allows them to excel the way they have in their roles. The key thing is if they can actually replace the “replaceable” guys. Especially the bottom-six. We’re seeing in this series first hand how valuable it is to have capable and serviceable bottom-six depth.
 
I’d add Ekholm to that list as well, tbh. Hard to find a D like him. And in terms of everyone else being replaceable, maybe on an individual basis, but the overall depth they have now is really the difference between now and the early years of McDrai, and allows them to excel the way they have in their roles. The key thing is if they can actually replace the “replaceable” guys. Especially the bottom-six. We’re seeing in this series first hand how valuable it is to have capable and serviceable bottom-six depth.
I love Ekholm to death, and he's crazy valuable to us, but we're 7-3 so far in the playoffs overall without him playing a minute. Walman, I believe, is the longterm replacement for him and he's done his job admirably.

I can see most of the bottom 6 back next year. Brown and Perry for sure, and the coaches love Janmark.
 
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I love Ekholm to death, and he's crazy valuable to us, but we're 7-3 so far in the playoffs overall without him playing a minute. Walman, I believe, is the longterm replacement for him and he's done his job admirably.

I can see most of the bottom 6 back next year. Brown and Perry for sure, and the coaches love Janmark.
Oilers will need Ekholm if we are facing Dallas. You move Stuart Skinner, Emberson to make room way before letting Ekholm go.
 
I love Ekholm to death, and he's crazy valuable to us, but we're 7-3 so far in the playoffs overall without him playing a minute. Walman, I believe, is the longterm replacement for him and he's done his job admirably.

I can see most of the bottom 6 back next year. Brown and Perry for sure, and the coaches love Janmark.
It’s early. The playoffs are a grind. I know he’s slated to return, but let’s say there’s a bump in the road and he’s ruled out for the season.

I think the Oilers would miss him a lot more starting as soon as next series, if he weren’t there.

When the bumps and bruises and fatigue starts to accumulate, every bit of depth on the backend counts, and the difference between having a guy like Ekholm there to eat up minutes and balance the load and not is absolutely huge.

And they’ve gotten by with Walman so far, and he’s done well, but I’d be hesitant to pencil him in as a long term replacement for anyone, let alone a guy like Ekholm.
 
Crystal ball activated

Bouchard signs for $10M.
McDavid leaves.
Bouchard all of sudden falls off the planet points wise and this contract is ugly.
Oilers lottery team again.
 
It’s early. The playoffs are a grind. I know he’s slated to return, but let’s say there’s a bump in the road and he’s ruled out for the season.

I think the Oilers would miss him a lot more starting as soon as next series, if he weren’t there.

When the bumps and bruises and fatigue starts to accumulate, every bit of depth on the backend counts, and the difference between having a guy like Ekholm there to eat up minutes and balance the load and not is absolutely huge.

And they’ve gotten by with Walman so far, and he’s done well, but I’d be hesitant to pencil him in as a long term replacement for anyone, let alone a guy like Ekholm.
I think the need for Ekholm is a bit overstated. Yes, he's great and a perfect fit for Bouchard and was an incredible mentor for him as he came up. This year was a bit of a step back for Bouch, but I'm confident he uses it to motivate himself to be better next year (unless we win the cup, in which case he can have a summer off and get fat for all I care). I think Bouchard becomes a consistent, elite defender able to carry a pair as long as his partner is reliable.

Our team is deeper and more experienced now than when we aquired Ek, or even compared to start of the season. I think Nurse could be a guy who has a better 30's than he did his late 20's. He still has all the physical tools, and I can see all this experience finally sinking in and him having some of his most reliable years. A guy like Pietrangelo had his highest Norris finish at 30, and most productive season at 33 for example.

Then there is Walman, who is money. More experience on a winning team, with older guys who can mentor him a bit can only beneficial compared to being the lone guy on SJ, or a part of whatever Detroit's "defense" was.

I think we have the pieces to replace current Ekholm by committee, and he will still be piece of the puzzle for a few years here. Just maybe not enough gas in the tank to do it for 22+ mins a night.
 
Crystal ball activated

Bouchard signs for $10M.
McDavid leaves.
Bouchard all of sudden falls off the planet points wise and this contract is ugly.
Oilers lottery team again.
There's a higher chance of Makar coming to the Oilers than McDavid leaving for Toronto
 
I think the need for Ekholm is a bit overstated. Yes, he's great and a perfect fit for Bouchard and was an incredible mentor for him as he came up. This year was a bit of a step back for Bouch, but I'm confident he uses it to motivate himself to be better next year (unless we win the cup, in which case he can have a summer off and get fat for all I care). I think Bouchard becomes a consistent, elite defender able to carry a pair as long as his partner is reliable.

Our team is deeper and more experienced now than when we aquired Ek, or even compared to start of the season. I think Nurse could be a guy who has a better 30's than he did his late 20's. He still has all the physical tools, and I can see all this experience finally sinking in and him having some of his most reliable years. A guy like Pietrangelo had his highest Norris finish at 30, and most productive season at 33 for example.

Then there is Walman, who is money. More experience on a winning team, with older guys who can mentor him a bit can only beneficial compared to being the lone guy on SJ, or a part of whatever Detroit's "defense" was.

I think we have the pieces to replace current Ekholm by committee, and he will still be piece of the puzzle for a few years here. Just maybe not enough gas in the tank to do it for 22+ mins a night.
Like I said, you’re going to see the need for Ek real quick if he’s not back or not 100% as soon as next round, if the Oilers get there. We’ll see what happens.
 
Like I said, you’re going to see the need for Ek real quick if he’s not back or not 100% as soon as next round, if the Oilers get there. We’ll see what happens.
I mean, maybe. Hes a top pairing guy, any team would miss that, but the D has overall played well thus far. And if they dont continue that, there is nothing we can do about it this year. The original guy you quoted was talking about Walman as a longterm replacement for Ek and so am I, but maybe more the whole D core replacing his current roles he fills, by committee.

He's great, and he will probably retire an Oiler. But he isn't a core piece imo. We have 3 of those, Mcdrai and Bouchard. Those are the irreplaceable, franchise cornerstones.
 
There's a higher chance of Makar coming to the Oilers than McDavid leaving for Toronto
I didnt specify Toronto, but yes, they would be in the top 5 potentials.

If the Stars smoke the Oilers, have to assume that is a big red flag for McDavid maybe leaving. Another Finals appearence and ill jump on board the McDavid Oiler for life train.
 
I didnt specify Toronto, but yes, they would be in the top 5 potentials.

If the Stars smoke the Oilers, have to assume that is a big red flag for McDavid maybe leaving. Another Finals appearence and ill jump on board the McDavid Oiler for life train.
Go write it in your diary with the rest of your fantasies. :laugh:
 
Makes no difference to me. He isnt coming to the Avs and better for the league to be marketed in a bigger market.
It obviously does make a difference to you or you wouldn't be spending so much time talking about it. :laugh:
 
It obviously does make a difference to you or you wouldn't be spending so much time talking about it. :laugh:
I prefer talking about the NHL as a whole than simply my team and McDavid is kindof a big deal. Going to be a monster story soon until he re-signs.
 
McDavid's decision is overshadowing Makar's decision. In 2 year when Colorado sucks, Makar will sign with another team

Time to bring Makar back home to Alberta
 
as I've said before in other threads, I think it's a no-win situation for the Oil

In what way is Edmonton paying and keeping their young stud offensive, defensively responsible (regardless of what narratives haters want to push) dman a "no-win situation for the Oil"?

Maybe I'm on a boat, but I don't see a world where we extend Bouchard and aren't ecstatic
 
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In what way is Edmonton paying and keeping their young stud offensive, defensively responsible (regardless of what narratives haters want to push) dman a "no-win situation for the Oil"?

Maybe I'm on a boat, but I don't see a world where we extend Bouchard and aren't ecstatic
Because it keeps the Oilers Stanley Cup challenging roster together rather than giving them the cap flexibility to "potentially" improve it.

Keeping the bird in the hand is usually the correct choice. Not sure how the Oilers could use Bouchard's money to get another elite offensive D-man which would be a huge hole in their roster with Bouchard gone. Those guys are hard to find....
 
Because it keeps the Oilers Stanley Cup challenging roster together rather than giving them the cap flexibility to "potentially" improve it.

Keeping the bird in the hand is usually the correct choice. Not sure how the Oilers could use Bouchard's money to get another elite offensive D-man which would be a huge hole in their roster with Bouchard gone. Those guys are hard to find....
This logic is the same as people who want to trade Larkin for the 1.04 because "it could be Larkin".

Keeping star top 10 defensemen on your roster in a rising cap is improving their roster. Subtracting what he brings on the ice for 3 lesser players almost never works out for a reason. There's a reason teams with bonafide stars (top 5 players at their position) perform better than teams that might have more "depth".

You build around the stars when you're competing. Not shipping them out for "flexibility" and then lament how you wish your guys performed better after trading away the star.
 
I didnt specify Toronto, but yes, they would be in the top 5 potentials.

If the Stars smoke the Oilers, have to assume that is a big red flag for McDavid maybe leaving. Another Finals appearence and ill jump on board the McDavid Oiler for life train.
MCD is leaving.. bouch sucks and will put us in draft lottery contention after MCD leaves and the stars will smoke us.

Something tells me you are not an Oilers fan.lol
 
this is assuming Arvidsson and Henrique will waive and Kane will have suitors on his limited list.
Eh, you saw how the rangers worked around the Goodrow and Trouba situation. I don't think it's as big of a deal as people make it out to be, won't be easy by any means but it's not some impossible feat.
 

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