Player Discussion Evan Bouchard

[Bumblebee Man]

"Good one" indeed, because I never said that. Saying that he was unfairly blamed by the media all season when Skinner was struggling in net and that his mistakes becoming auto-goals hurt his confidence doesn't sound like me saying he only played well in front of Pickard.

But embarrassing yourself on here is kind of your "thing," so carry on...

"Funny how Bouchard seems to play better in front of Pickard. Some coincidence, isn't it? He looked better in front of Pickard quite a bit this season" - @MessierThanThou

I love when ppl get called out on their s*** and back pedal

 

[Bumblebee Man]

Did not say that he only plays well in front of Picard. I've been one of the few pro Skinner posters here while everyone else has been shitting on him.

Bouchard is playing great these playoffs, but it doesn't change the fact that the rest of his season was dog shit. Maybe ya'll should admit that.

Why the need to call out and miss quote. Does that make you feel good?

LOL. You can't be serious with this reply? Your reading comprehension and basic analytical thinking can't be that bad.....can it?

I made 1 post with 2 points . The other poster figured it out pretty easily

Keep in mind that you constantly have called Bouchard the one with low IQ. Oh the irony

 

[MessierThanThou]

"Funny how Bouchard seems to play better in front of Pickard. Some coincidence, isn't it? He looked better in front of Pickard quite a bit this season" - @MessierThanThou

I love when ppl get called out on their s*** and back pedal

This is Michael Scott-level self-awareness here...

"Seems to play better in front of" and "only plays well in front of" are two completely different statements with vastly different implications. You're implying that I think Bouchard sucked in front of Skinner, which, by saying he was unfairly blamed for Skinner would suggest I never thought that...

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

LOL. You can't be serious with this reply? Your reading comprehension and basic analytical thinking can't be that bad.....can it?

I made 1 post with 2 points . The other poster figured it out pretty easily

Keep in mind that you constantly have called Bouchard the one with low IQ. Oh the irony

Yes and I stand by the fact he has trouble processing the game fast. Why do you have to call me out to hear my same take again?

He was horrible the 1st two games. Horrible the regular season and now he is on a 9 game stretch where he has been pretty good.

He's a completely bi polar player. What's your issue.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

This is Michael Scott-level self-awareness here...

"Seems to play better in front of" and "only plays well in front of" are two completely different statements with vastly different implications. You're implying that I think Bouchard sucked in front of Skinner, which, by saying he was unfairly blamed for Skinner would suggest I never thought that...

This guy has his own issues. There is no need to bring up anything and target posters when we are on a great run in the playoffs.

He must get off on the confrontation just like he gets off wearing his bumblebee outfits to the games.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

Yes and I stand by the fact he has trouble processing the game fast. Why do you have to call me out to hear my same take again?

He was horrible the 1st two games. Horrible the regular season and now he is on a 9 game stretch where he has been pretty good.

He's a completely bi polar player. What's your issue.

You still going off on something completely different. Let's just drop it. I don't think you'll ever get there

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

You still going off on something completely different. Let's just drop it. I don't think you'll ever get there

You make no sense. And you don't know anything about what I've done in hockey. Later bumblebee dude.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

This guy has his own issues. There is no need to bring up anything and target posters when we are on a great run in the playoffs.

He must get off on the confrontation just like he gets off wearing his bumblebee outfits to the games.

Oh look, the victim card response again. A classic

You attack the player with lies(the original point which you've side stepped btw). It's OK to dislike a player, but when you make up stuff to suit your narrative, that's different.

"That was a set play they made specifically for Bouchard" or "The league has figured him out"


Then when someone sticks up for the player and calls you out for it....you act as if you're the one being targeted

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Oh look, the victim card response again. A classic

You attack the player with lies(the original point which you've side stepped btw). It's OK to dislike a player, but when you make up stuff to suit your narrative, that's different.

"That was a set play they made specifically for Bouchard" or "The league has figured him out"


Then when someone sticks up for the player and calls you out for it....you act as if you're the one being targeted

You literally said you would drop it and then you quote my post......... You are as bi polar as Bouchard's play.

Pretty sure I ain't playing the victim card. I'm defending myself from you who decided to randomly start this out of the blue. You are a dummy. Get a life.

 

[foshizzle]

Yes and I stand by the fact he has trouble processing the game fast. Why do you have to call me out to hear my same take again?

He was horrible the 1st two games. Horrible the regular season and now he is on a 9 game stretch where he has been pretty good.

He's a completely bi polar player. What's your issue.

You are completely wrong on your assessment. A guy who broke the record for D man scoring in a playoffs and is second all time in points per game does not have issues processing the game.

In the regular season, he was 4th in defencemen scoring while tilting the ice in HDCF%, Shots for %, SCF% . He also only turned over 11% of his possessions (good for 6th best in the league) and was in the middle of the pack amongst D men of turnovers resulting in goals while having a goalie dead last in goals saved above expected. He is continually at the top, or near the top in zone exits and zone entries and top 19 in zone denials.

Look at the game charts always posted after games. He is always at the top or within the top 3. He is 25. Your take is ridiculous

 

[Bumblebee Man]

You literally said you would drop it and then you quote my post......... You are as bi polar as Bouchard's play.

Pretty sure I ain't playing the victim card. I'm defending myself from you who decided to randomly start this out of the blue. You are a dummy. Get a life.

Just to be clear, and I want to point out...you actually haven't defended anything tbh

The OP was about you claiming the league figured him out, and teams have set plays specifically designed for Bouchard, to shut him down and expose him. The set play in particular was on a goal that was mostly Nurse and Browns fault, you came on here trying to convince ppl that they executed that specifically on Bouchard and he was the primary person to blame

At no point have you not only defended that stance.....you haven't even addressed it

I really don't think I'm the one being bi-polar here. My point has been pretty consistent with the OP

 

[MessierThanThou]

He also only turned over 11% of his possessions (good for 6th best in the league) and was in the middle of the pack amongst D men of turnovers resulting in turnovers while having a goalie dead last in goals saved above expected.

It's actually quite sad how someone tried to twist pretty much this same argument into claiming that I was a Bouchard basher. Which begs me to ask these questions of my accuser (yes, the same person who wrote these questions, ironically enough)...

LOL. You can't be serious with this reply? Your reading comprehension and basic analytical thinking can't be that bad.....can it?

 

[Bumblebee Man]

It's actually quite sad how someone tried to twist pretty much this same argument into claiming that I was a Bouchard basher. Which begs me to ask these questions of my accuser (yes, the same person who wrote these questions, ironically enough)...

Never said basher.

However, how did he play the last couple games and who was in net? I get confused sometimes

 

[MessierThanThou]

In the regular season, he was 4th in defencemen scoring while tilting the ice in HDCF%, Shots for %, SCF% . He also only turned over 11% of his possessions (good for 6th best in the league) and was in the middle of the pack amongst D men of turnovers resulting in turnovers while having a goalie dead last in goals saved above expected.

@Bumblebee Man You criticize me for having roughly this same opinion, then go ahead and LIKE this post...and accuse other posters of having poor reading comprehension in the same thread?! L.O.L. Never change.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

@Bumblebee Man You criticize me for having roughly this same opinion, then go ahead and LIKE this post...and accuse other posters of having poor reading comprehension in the same thread?! L.O.L. Never change.

Are you sure the other poster account isn't you also? It's getting eerily similar
There was a whole goalie angle that you are conveniently glossing over in your latest responses

Is this how you guys do things, go off in other directions to deflect?

 

[MessierThanThou]

Never said basher.

However, how did he play the last couple games and who was in net? I get confused sometimes

Love this "backtracking" gif! Thanks for finding it!

Also...WHAT?! LOLLLLL. I mean what else could you possibly be implying when you lump me in with the board's biggest Bouchard hater and outright claim that I didn't think he played well during the majority of the season...

 

[MessierThanThou]

Are you sure the other poster account isn't you also? It's getting eerily similar
There was a whole goalie angle that you are conveniently glossing over in your latest responses

Is this how you guys do things, go off in other directions to deflect?

Deflect what? Skinner is playing well and no one is saying SHIT about Bouchard. Doesn't that just add to my argument that Bouchard was unfairly blamed all season?

 

[Bumblebee Man]

Deflect what? Skinner is playing well and no one is saying SHIT about Bouchard. Doesn't that just add to my argument that Bouchard was unfairly blamed all season?

Let's go over a few talking points

A. Maybe that's how you intended it but it's not how it read. A couple other posters here gave you the same replies so clearly I'm not on an island alone here, or am I misrepresenting to target you

B. A bad play is a bad play, regardless of who is in net or if it's a goal

C. Bouchard was definitely NOT unfairly blamed. He was horrific alot this year

You tried to absolve him for a good chunk of that by blaming Skinner.
Own it

 

[MessierThanThou]

Let's go over a few talking points

A. Maybe that's how you intended it but it's not how it read. A couple other posters here gave you the same replies so clearly I'm not on an island alone here, or am I misrepresenting to target you

B. A bad play is a bad play, regardless of who is in net or if it's a goal

C. Bouchard was definitely NOT unfairly blamed. He was horrific alot this year

You tried to absolve him by blaming Skinner.
Own it

Weird, because Bouchard actually had great advanced metrics all year, and the same argument that @foshizzle just made, which you JUST liked, was applicable throughout the season (other than Skinner being dead last).

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Evan Bouchard makes mistakes when he plays sometimes, it's frustrating, however all players do this.

Evan Bouchard has been, without question, the best defenseman in these playoffs and has come into his own as a number 1 defenseman. Can't wait to see what he does going forward this year.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

Weird, because Bouchard actually had great advanced metrics all year, and the same argument that @foshizzle just made, which you JUST liked, was applicable throughout the season (other than Skinner being dead last).

If you know me you would know I am one of the biggest laughers at "advanced stats" as they are represented here most of the time

Just remember, advanced stats had alot of ppl convinced Puljujarvi was an elite talent, or that Yakupov was the best winger McDavid had

Bouchard was horrible this year in costly AND glaring errors. The plays he was making weren't minor mistakes or reads, they were flat out WTF IS HE DOING moments. A point can also be made he was a big reason we lost home ice as he alone was the culprit of 6 losses my count

Was he bad ALL year? No. But he sure wasn't good/great either. Hence.......4N snub

Having said all that, I love Bouch and more so...I love playoff Bouch. I also recognize that he's an elite talent making elite plays....most of the time

I "liked" the part where he called out the poster for saying he has no IQ. That's just plane stupid

 

[MessierThanThou]

If you know me you would know I am one of the biggest laughers at "advanced stats" as they are represented here most of the time

Just remember, advanced stats had alot of ppl convinced Puljujarvi was an elite talent, or that Yakupov was the best winger McDavid had

Bouchard was horrible this year in costly AND glaring errors. The plays he was making weren't minor mistakes or reads, they were flat out WTF IS HE DOING moments. A point can also be made he was a big reason we lost home ice as he alone was the culprit of 6 losses my count

Was he bad ALL year? No. But he sure wasn't good either. Hence.......4N snub

Having said all that, I love Bouch and more so...I love playoff Bouch. I also recognize that he's an elite talent making elite plays....most of the time

I "liked" the part where he called out the poster for saying he has no IQ. That's just plane stupid

Low-hanging fruit or not...LOL at the bolded.

Your problem with ignoring not just advanced stats but seemingly all stats while putting complete faith in your (questionable) memory and eye test, is that your bias takes over and you only remember Bouchard's blooper reel plays while forgetting their irrelevance in an 82-game sample size. One of your problems is that you isolate and describe (not always accurately) specific plays to attempt to prove your point, when these plays are but one of many plays in a single game. Doing so ignores the broader picture. None of us can recall every single play from every single game and process all of that data to arrive at a conclusion. The eye test is crucial, no doubt, but you can't leave statistics entirely out of the equation.

Given how often Bouchard played and had the puck, especially relative to his peers, he was hardly a turnover machine, yet this was the perception fostered by the media and many people on here. Skinner had objectively bad performances that failed both the eye test and the numbers, yet everything was seemingly Bouchard's fault in the eyes of the media because one blooper reel giveaway leading to a goal against would cover for all of the weak goals where there was no excuse.

 

[PaPaDee]

All done with the pissing match?

 

[oobga]

taking a moment to enjoy the Bouch

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Not sure what kind of arc big brain Bobby is on, but it’s embarrassing