European heritage of US/Canadian players by surname Part II

Dosing

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I have always assumed that everyone in NA with a surname that ends with sson, son, sen have Scandinavian heritage.

Same goes for names ending with cott, cote, by, wick. All scandinavian. Alot of the britains people and places have nordic names/origin though so it's easy to see how some would make that misstake.
 

Pgust

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Wow, boy I'm stupid, didn't even think about the beginning of the surname :D Just thought about it when I watched an older How I Met Your Mother episode when Marshall Eriksen talked about his great grandfather "Olaf", which indeed sounds very Scandinavian.
 

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That Macedonia-Greece-Bulgaria area is still undecided on what they are too. He's probably a little of both(Greek and Macedonian)((if you consider them two different things))

He comes to the macedonian open every year, has been on the macedonian heritage hour and is a proud member of st dimitria church in markham Steven Stamkos is 100 percent macedonian speak with him yourself.... the others i have met throughout church events and other events we host include ; ed jovanoski, steve staios, jose theodore, dan jancevski, chris tanev, peter zezel, mike angelidis, andy anderoff all of macedonian decent
 

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Tyler Kennedy: Irish
Tye McGinn: Irish
Matt Irwin: Scottish
James Sheppard: English
Scott Hannan: Celtic?
Justin Braun: German
Tommy Wingels: German?
Vlasic: Croatian, Slovenian?
Joe Pavelski: Polish
Patrick Marleau: French
Tomas Hertl: German?

Wingels is a kind of 'Lowlander' name more than specifically German. (ie people who lived in North West Germany, Netherlands and Flanders before the borders were as they are now... kind of like the names 'Boll' and 'Kessel' as well, could be either.)

It is a really rare name full stop tbh. I have only ever seen it in Belgium (Brussels) and I only 'clocked' it due to Tommy Wingels.
 

xEchox

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Nope, more likely British.





It all depends on the first name in the sson/son surname.

If it's a name like Johnson, Clarkson, etc... (or Severson as above) it's most likely of British origin. But if it's Anderson. Ericson, Johanson, and similar, it's most likely of Scandinavian origin instead.
John is the equal to Johan in Scandinavia, and for instance Scarlett Johansson is of Swedish origin as an example.

According to this link: http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=severson Severson is most likely an anglicized version of a Scandinavian or German name.

You are right about the first name. Johanson and Erikson are definitely Scandinavian as this name is rare in Britain, but Anderson is an extremely common name in Britain as well as Scandinavia: http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=Anderson

However I would say British names ending in son, such as Johnson, Thompson, Jackson, Robinson, Nelson, Richardson, Watson, are more numerous in NA than are their Scandinavian counterparts.

That being said a good deal of Scandinavian immigrants ( as well as all immigrants in general) that came to America or Canada changed their names to ones that sounded more English. So Johansson or Johansen became Johnson. Or Schmidt or Mueller became Smith and Miller.
 

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Hall- British
Eberle-German
Nugent-Hopkins- British
Purcell-Irish/British
Schultz-German
Pouliot-French
Gordon-British
Ference-French
Fayne-British
Petry-German/Dutch
Scrivens-English
Hendricks-English/German
Klinkhammer-Dutch
Gazdic- Croatian
Roy- Scottish
Fraser- British
 

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Same goes for names ending with cott, cote, by, wick. All scandinavian. Alot of the britains people and places have nordic names/origin though so it's easy to see how some would make that misstake.

Yeh, -ling, -thorpe, -by and -kirk are pretty great examples of not uncommon British surname suffixes that are descended from Scandinavian words... but ofc not many of the names themselves are directly descended, but more from the placenames.

Hence why those endings are so much more common in Lancashire, Yorkshire and the North East that the rest of England, and why a lot of slang in those places still contains a lot of Norselike words. Being in the heartland of the Danelaw meant that Norse was still spoken in some towns into the 1300's, more people descended from the Norse, more norse place names, slang etc meant in turn more names with particles that were from the Norse.

Even name ending in -son, which have massive diaspora, still are far, far more common in the North according to census data:

Name and places most commonly found in England:

Johnson: Sheffield, Liverpool and Nottingham. (all in the Danelaw)
Gregson: Preston, Manchester and Liverpool. (all in the Danelaw)
Thompson: Newcastle, Leeds and Sheffield. (all in the Danelaw)
Ronson: Preston, Poulton-le-Fylde and Liverpool. (all in the Danelaw)
Clarkson: Leeds, Sheffield and York. (all in the Danelaw)
Jackson: Sheffield, Leeds and Nottingham. (all in the Danelaw.)
Jameson: Newcastle, Liverpool and Manchester. (all in the Danelaw.)
Addison: Newcastle, Middlesbrough and York. (all in the Danelaw.)
Orson: Oldham, Leeds and Manchester. (all in the Danelaw.)
Jefferson: York, Newcastle and Hull. (all in the Danelaw.)
Harrison: Birmingham, Sheffield and Liverpool. (2/3 in the Danelaw.)
Wilson: Newcastle, Sheffield and Leeds. (all in the Danelaw.)
Wilkinson: Newcastle, Sheffield and Leeds. (all in the Danelaw.)
Grayson: Sheffield, Leeds and York. (all in the Danelaw.)
Stevenson: Nottingham, Sheffield and Leicester. (all in the Danelaw.)
Lawson: Newcastle, Leeds and Sheffield. (all in the Danelaw.)

I mean, it makes sense that it trickled down more in those places than anywhere else...
 
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Hall- British
Eberle-German
Nugent-Hopkins- British
Purcell-Irish/British
Schultz-German
Pouliot-French
Gordon-British
Ference-French
Fayne-British
Petry-German/Dutch
Scrivens-English
Hendricks-English/German
Klinkhammer-Dutch
Gazdic- Croatian
Roy- Scottish
Fraser- British

Klinkhammer is 5x more German than Dutch.

Though I must say it is another very 'Rheinland' name that people across all three borders have. But less so than Boll, (van) Kessel and Wingels that spread more evenly over Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Petry is more German than Dutch as well.

I have never seen the name in the Netherlands tbh. I actually have seen it in Luxembourg though! So once again... Rheinland name really.
 

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Wingels is a kind of 'Lowlander' name more than specifically German. (ie people who lived in North West Germany, Netherlands and Flanders before the borders were as they are now... kind of like the names 'Boll' and 'Kessel' as well, could be either.)

It is a really rare name full stop tbh. I have only ever seen it in Belgium (Brussels) and I only 'clocked' it due to Tommy Wingels.

That's interesting. Do you happen to know the meaning of the name? I can't really find anything about it.
 

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That's interesting. Do you happen to know the meaning of the name? I can't really find anything about it.

No idea.

I imagine the meaning is grounded more in older regional 'German' dialects (almost certainly a Rheinland area one) than Dutch...

and while my Dad speaks German I have no clue on any of it! (truth be told my Dutch ain't great either despite living there for a while!)
 

Cory Trevor

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He comes to the macedonian open every year, has been on the macedonian heritage hour and is a proud member of st dimitria church in markham Steven Stamkos is 100 percent macedonian speak with him yourself.... the others i have met throughout church events and other events we host include ; ed jovanoski, steve staios, jose theodore, dan jancevski, chris tanev, peter zezel, mike angelidis, andy anderoff all of macedonian decent

Yah my comment was mainly tongue in cheek. I think you know what I was getting at with what I said.
 

Superpest

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According to this link: http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=severson Severson is most likely an anglicized version of a Scandinavian or German name.

You are right about the first name. Johanson and Erikson are definitely Scandinavian as this name is rare in Britain, but Anderson is an extremely common name in Britain as well as Scandinavia: http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=Anderson

However I would say British names ending in son, such as Johnson, Thompson, Jackson, Robinson, Nelson, Richardson, Watson, are more numerous in NA than are their Scandinavian counterparts.

That being said a good deal of Scandinavian immigrants ( as well as all immigrants in general) that came to America or Canada changed their names to ones that sounded more English. So Johansson or Johansen became Johnson. Or Schmidt or Mueller became Smith and Miller.

I find this unlikely as Smith and Miller are both professions. I think the origins come from someones profession becoming their surname and sticking from generation to generation.
 

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It's german

Well, it is a Rheinland name really... as when the name originated there really was no Germany as we see it today, so the origin of the name is spread across what is now the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany. (like Petry, Wingels, Boll etc as well...)

But yeh, German is the best description of it in a modern geographical context.

But I suppose pretty much every name has such context... ie certain 'English' names are very Northern English, there are some German sounding names that are almost exclusive to the Alps, some French names are from extremely specific areas of France or are actually Lowland names, and a lot of North American names are heavily corrupted.

For example some people would assume 'Vermette' is French by sound and where he is from... but it is 95% a corruption of the Dutch 'Vermetten'. The structure gives it away.
 

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According to this link: http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=severson Severson is most likely an anglicized version of a Scandinavian or German name.

I stand corrected then. But I guess it could also be some form as of the suggested Sivertsson, or maybe even Sävarsson if you dig further...

You are right about the first name. Johanson and Erikson are definitely Scandinavian as this name is rare in Britain, but Anderson is an extremely common name in Britain as well as Scandinavia: http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=Anderson

I know that there are many Anderson in the UK, but the name Anders is sure Scandinavian/Swedish of origin and also North Frisian. Andrew is the anglicized version of the name. Andreas the Greek. But the origin: Son of Anders, Son of Erik (Andersson / Eriksson) etc.. as the name literally means is of Scandinavian heritage. Albeit Anderson is also very common in the UK. (with one less "s") But the roots...

(And Son means the same thing in both English & Swedish, but i guess you already knew that)
 

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I stand corrected then. But I guess it could also be some form as of the suggested Sivertsson, or maybe even Sävarsson if you dig further...



I know that there are many Anderson in the UK, but the name Anders is sure Scandinavian/Swedish of origin and also North Frisian. Andrew is the anglicized version of the name. Andreas the Greek. But the origin: Son of Anders, Son of Erik (Andersson / Eriksson) etc.. as the name literally means is of Scandinavian heritage. Albeit Anderson is also very common in the UK. (with one less "s") But the roots...

(And Son means the same thing in both English & Swedish, but i guess you already knew that)

You look at the areas of the British isles Anderson is most common in as with all 'son' names and it is the old Danelaw, Scotland and Northern Ireland... three areas with a heavy Viking influence.

Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Newcastle and Belfast are the 5 towns in the UK with the highest frequency. It is an extremely common name in Lancashire as well.

If your name ends in -son with roots in the UK or Ireland your family was very likely from a region that the Norse had a heavy influence on.

Some is due to more direct Norse descent, and some is simply because it became a semi-legacy naming process from the Norse, while the South of England generally adopted names by profession the North used more place names and -son suffix.

Hence the reason you get a lot of names with Norse origin via the UK, a great example of this as well is Crosby, whose family was almost certainly named after the town of Crosby (Krossabyr in Old Norse) in the North West of England... a Viking settlement. Now his family is more likely descended from Norse settlers than someone called Miller just due to the names historical origins and where the people would have lived... but it is probably just as likely he was named after the town itself.
 

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Also, on 'Severson'.

I saw the name and thought immediately that I had never met anyone or seen the name in Northern England... where we have a hell of a lot of people with -son suffixes, and 'sever' really makes no sense in any context of English in the sense of that suffix, so I did some minor digging.

The name and his ancestry is almost certainly Norweigan. From Rogaland.

There are a few mid 1800s North American immigration records from Rogaland. Seems a lot of Seversons came to North Dakota over a wide timespan actually. From Haugesund, Hå, Hjelmeland and Karmøy.

Also a quick google search tells me there are still Seversons living near 'Sadnes' in Rogaland.
 

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Well, it is a Rheinland name really... as when the name originated there really was no Germany as we see it today, so the origin of the name is spread across what is now the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany. (like Petry, Wingels, Boll etc as well...)

But yeh, German is the best description of it in a modern geographical context.

But I suppose pretty much every name has such context... ie certain 'English' names are very Northern English, there are some German sounding names that are almost exclusive to the Alps, some French names are from extremely specific areas of France or are actually Lowland names, and a lot of North American names are heavily corrupted.

For example some people would assume 'Vermette' is French by sound and where he is from... but it is 95% a corruption of the Dutch 'Vermetten'. The structure gives it away.

I was going to call you out as it is a common last name in Quebec and the spelling looks very french (my last name ends in ette), and I looked it up just to back up my claim, but you are 100% correct.

I'll be damned.
 

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