As he should be. He is an overall package.
It would be nice if he went to Pittsburgh to stay close to Erie. Whoever he gets drafted by, he will report to them.
Erie Otters 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I
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It would be nice if he went to Pittsburgh to stay close to Erie. Whoever he gets drafted by, he will report to them.
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A tremendous play by Edwards, Misiak, and Schaefer to get it done. They played well tonight. They stuck to the game plan other than falling into NB’s extra curriculars after the whistle.
Onto Sudbury tomorrow.
A tremendous play by Edwards, Misiak, and Schaefer to get it done. They played well tonight. They stuck to the game plan other than falling into NB’s extra curriculars after the whistle.
Onto Sudbury tomorrow.
This team really disappoints me…
They should be better than this but lack of depth, their ‘top talent’ not all stepping up their game, and their backup goalie sucking is where they are now. But I can’t say I’m surprised with SB at the helm. He’s an ok coach strictly because he’s been around, has loads of experience but he’s basically just another coach
They should be better than this but lack of depth, their ‘top talent’ not all stepping up their game, and their backup goalie sucking is where they are now. But I can’t say I’m surprised with SB at the helm. He’s an ok coach strictly because he’s been around, has loads of experience but he’s basically just another coach
The team knows going into the game they have limited to no chance which tbh it’s hard to blame them. The fact that they haven’t tried to even add something cheap, give another goalie a chance is embarrassing. Oh well, this will be a wasted year. We know they won’t sell and buying seems unlikely or pointless so it’s a wasted year and a wasted cycle with Schaefer
I felt he (Burns) played well up until the two SH goals. His first period was the best we have had from him this season. It went down hill from there.
It’s crazy how last night you look like contenders and tonight you look like fish out of water. We should be winning more games.
They need a BUG. They brought 9 goalies in for training camp. Why can’t any of those step up for a shot? This system isn’t working.
This can go in the books as a miss for building around Schaefer scratched in with a Drysdale built around piece.
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Playing well for a short stint or 30 out of 60 minutes is still not playing well. We need a complete game or 50 out of 60 minutes at the very least. A .851 save percentage just doesn't get it done. We need a BUG around at least an .880 or higher.
It isn't just the BUG, I feel like Spence, Terrance, Edwards, Misiak have all underperformed thus far. Roysten and Hammond haven't made the jumps expected.
Alfano, Fimis, Schaefer, Henry, have all trended upwards. Schaefer, if he continues the solid play should be lightyears ahead of where Drysdale was at this time.
Hell, even Erliden right now is the best goalie in a decade that we've had and we can't put it together. If I'm the Otters, I'm honestly contemplating a sell at the deadline because as it was pointed out by @NOA, next year doesn't look to improve the roster off of this one.
Oh for sure I agree with all that you said. 20 minutes of playing well doesn’t translate for being a good BUG in this league.
Once this OA group is gone, we are done for next year.
These kids have to mature and play consistent. If you don’t want to play as well as you do when you know scouts are in town, benched. How could we look top in the league with scouts watching, but play a flat line when we play Owen Sound?
Terrance needs to be the captain and play like a captain.
Terrance and Misiak are at the top of my ‘underperforming’ list. Misiak in particular they are wasting an import and OA spot on him. Would they be better off with Molnar + Sova? Personally, I think yes. Especially because Frasca has been irrelevant. Another classic wasted trade that is on par with Gilmartin and Golden right now.
Once again, their asset management / roster construction is below average. They have never figured out the art of maximizing their assets and flipping pieces for younger and/or short term better options. Instead, they consistently trade guys for low return or find ways to overpay for players who come in and do absolutely nothing.
Once again, their asset management / roster construction is below average. They have never figured out the art of maximizing their assets and flipping pieces for younger and/or short term better options. Instead, they consistently trade guys for low return or find ways to overpay for players who come in and do absolutely nothing.
I was looking at our defense. I personally think Sova would have been a tremendous help this season.
Still shocked at the Sova trade and Frasca is at a .5 ppg thus far, not playing with Spence, and 3rd line only because our 4th line is way below the other 3.
Unsure why the team is playing about as average as average could be for their ceiling, but I feel with the sample size thus far it NEEDS to be a sell off season. The moves DB made prior to the season are largely proving to be busts.
a wise GM would consider moving Terrance and trying to flip him for a younger player. Then I think they could get a great return for Fimis, which maybe gives them a chance to do something next year if they luck into Schaefer coming back.
Unfortunately, I don’t see them coming close to selling off and so we are stuck in the middle right now. I wish I could enjoy this season more but they have underperformed across the board so I’m becoming more frustrated than I get with just a lack of talent, young team that is expectedly losing..
I know Sudbury was missing Musty but they’re a good team, playing at home, against Erie’s backup. They were probably the favourites.
26 games in, Erie’s in a home-ice spot. The two division teams they trail happen to be the two best teams in the league.
They have a legit goalie, a very good first line, a good middle six, and an all-world defenceman (plus a good supporting cast back there).
Their power play is very effective. The penalty kill is average, but they don’t take many penalties anyway.
Could some guys be playing better? Sure, they’re junior hockey players. But if you’re just looking at points, you’re looking at the wrong thing if you want to evaluate guys playing for Stan Butler.
Matt Duchene is probably the most pure offensive guy Butler’s ever had. In his best year in the OHL, in an era where offense was through the roof, he scored 31 goals.
Brent Burns is a future Hall of Famer. As a forward, he had 15 goals and 40 points the year he played for Butler.
Spence underperforming? What did you want out of the guy? He’s leading the team in 5-on-5 goals, and plus minus, second in assists. On pace for 85 points, which nobody in Erie has done since the championship year I don’t think.
26 games in, Erie’s in a home-ice spot. The two division teams they trail happen to be the two best teams in the league.
They have a legit goalie, a very good first line, a good middle six, and an all-world defenceman (plus a good supporting cast back there).
Their power play is very effective. The penalty kill is average, but they don’t take many penalties anyway.
Could some guys be playing better? Sure, they’re junior hockey players. But if you’re just looking at points, you’re looking at the wrong thing if you want to evaluate guys playing for Stan Butler.
Matt Duchene is probably the most pure offensive guy Butler’s ever had. In his best year in the OHL, in an era where offense was through the roof, he scored 31 goals.
Brent Burns is a future Hall of Famer. As a forward, he had 15 goals and 40 points the year he played for Butler.
Spence underperforming? What did you want out of the guy? He’s leading the team in 5-on-5 goals, and plus minus, second in assists. On pace for 85 points, which nobody in Erie has done since the championship year I don’t think.
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Can’t tell by your name. Are you talking about Sudbury’s or Erie’s?
I was talking about Erie’s penalty kill in terms of percentage of opportunities killed. I was ignoring the SH goals they’ve scored, which I shouldn’t have done.
Yeah I have zero issue with Spence’s production so far. He’s been one of their more consistent players. In terms of the history of production out of SBs forwards - can’t say I’m surprised. Those numbers have always been there to research and find. He’s just not an offensive minded coach so I guess we can’t be surprised to see their offensive guys underwhelming. If this was a Knoblauch coached team, how much better would they look? Serious question..
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I think you make a fair argument. Erie doesn't have a huge goal scorer like some other teams, but I feel they do play a more SB type game that doesn't necessarily feed into those types of stats. Regardless, Spence is near the top of most categories, team wise ( don't think he leads the team in goals or plus/minus, but he's pretty far up there) Spence is doing his job well. Erie's offence disappears sometimes, but I'm not sure you can pin it on Spence.
He does lead them in them in non-PP goals, and is tied for the lead in +\-. The latter needs an asterisk because one of the guys he’s tied with is Schaefer who’s played nine fewer games.
Point being, Spence is as advertised IMO.
Probably would have much higher numbers. Definitely.
Misiak was hot garbage last night. Two turnovers led directly to Sudbury goals. This isn't the first time either. I can think of at least 2 other times so far this season where an errant or fanned pass led to goals by the opposition, 1 of them a game winner. I think DB was handcuffed by Chicago when he got sent back and made a panicked decision to trade Sova instead of Misiak. Sova's age and experience would help stabilize this young D core. I don't think Misiak is necessarily an upgrade over Molnar either. So not only do we lose Sova and Molnar but keep 1 guy who uses 2 valuable spots as an OA/import. Trademark DB asset management right there.
Misiak is definitely a better hockey player than Molnar.
I thought choosing Misiak or Molnar and Sova was a tough call. After seeing the returns of a warm body, and 2,3,3,4,4 picks; DB made the right call imo.
And then proceeded to blow those assets on Frasca who has been extremely underwhelming and unironically been splitting faceoff duties with Misiak on the third line.
I agree Misiask hasn't lived up to the OA/import spot, but in fairness, last night he was hit in the face with the puck on one of the turnovers which took him out of the play. There were also rumours in Brampton that Sova was looking for a change of scene, so he may have requested a trade. Given that, the whole Sova/Molnar combo may not have been an option for DB anyways. Might also explain what appeared to be not a great return for a pretty good D man.
This is really the issue.. ultimately trading Sova/Molnar got them a bigger return than just trading Misiak. However, DB proceeded to fumble those picks away on Frasca. I just wish they would have held their water a bit and used those picks to add a more guaranteed type talent or a bigger fish like Musty.
I think the forced trade with Sova was based largely on Schaefer's maturity and Chicago/Misiak.
While it is true Sova > Daviault, with the growth of Schaefer and Henry SB and DB probably saw very little to no need for Sova and he would provide the greatest return if given a choice between him and Daviault. I can't fault that logic. I'd rate the initial trade as a A- rating, but went downhill almosg immediately with Coban Bryan not even making the preseason roster. As it matured, perhaps a B trade value for a final rating.
Fast forward, Erie takes all of those picks and some more and ends up overpaying for Frasca (at least at face value 1/3 of the way through the season) to play 3rd line and hardly contribute is what kills the whole deal. Right now I'd rate the trade as a D as there is still time to change that.
Molnar could have been forced out by Chicago and the Misiak situation, but we knew there would be little return for either player and I'd argue with Sova gone, Molnar isn't as complete as Misiak.
At least to date Hughes seems like he could be a top 6, but no matter is what is a top 9. Erliden was a great draft pick hit so far as was Ambrisio.
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