Joe McGrath
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No he wasn’t. He was a top 10 goalie for 5 years.Ward was a top-10 goalie for most of his career.
No he wasn’t. He was a top 10 goalie for 5 years.Ward was a top-10 goalie for most of his career.
No he wasn’t. He was a top 10 goalie for 5 years.
The ‘11-12 season was also the Tomas Kaberle year. They stopped sucking in total without ggat absolute boat anchor of a human, playing with Staal on the powerplay and at even strength. After watching him in training camp JR should have fired Mo straight into the sun for saddling Faulk with him as a rookie. Right after firing himself into the sun for hiring him in the first place.On any given year, we had one or two defensemen that could maybe play in the 3/4 slot of a contending team, then a bunch of 6-7-8 defensemen to fill out the rest. Looking back at these rosters now, it’s unbelievable how bad some of them were.
Another fun fact: The 11-12 season was the same year that Eric Staal seemingly intentionally tried to get Maurice fired. The Canes started the year 8-13-4, which cost Maurice his job. In those 25 games, Eric had 11 points and was pointless in 18 of those games.
After Muller was hired, Staal put up 59 points in the remaining 57 games. He would be held pointless in only 22 of those 57 games.
Where's that Homer Simpson "Doh" meme when you need it.I was referring to Ward….
I’d really like to quibbleHalf his career is 7 years.
We can quibble over what 2 years I think he was a top 10 goalie and you don’t, or we can move along.
No he wasn’t. He had 2 good seasons and a playoff runWard was a top-10 goalie for most of his career.
No he wasn’t. He had 2 good seasons and a playoff run
Nothing supports him even being average. -51 GSAA.
Career GSAx is very negative too
Did you watch these teams at all? I think Tarheel and Blueline are overrating Ward slightly but you are underrating him based on made up bullshit stats. Much like Staal there were games Ward quit on and gave up a goal he shouldn't have with 30 seconds left. Just looking at numbers doesn’t tell the story of what went on in those years.No he wasn’t. He had 2 good seasons and a playoff run
Nothing supports him even being average. -51 GSAA.
Career GSAx is very negative too
Cam Ward is the John Gibson of the 2010s. Fans swear he is good because the team sucks but in reality they just good for real short amount of time and below average the rest.
Thats the wonderful thing about GSAx, its defense agnostic. Did the goalie stop the ones they should? In ward’s case, no. Although he did with some bad defense in 10-11.Which shows why advanced stats aren't the end all, be all. Put any goalie behind the joke of a team Carolina had for much of his career and you'll find similar or worse results.
Those were the only seasons in his career where he wasn’t a negative in that stat. Which is also a made up nonsense stat to be fair. If we were looking at that as his most impressive quality he was below average 11 out of 15 years of his career. Which in reality, he wasn’t.Cam Ward finishes among goalies who played at least 30 games in Goals Saved Above Expected per 60:
08-09: 5th
09-10: 1st
10-11: 3rd
11-12: 7th
And then the injuries kicked in.
I already thought Ward was underrated because he was on a declining, cash strapped team that had to overplay him, wasn't expexting 3 top 5 finishes.
I remember getting into it with a few people early that season with "WTF Faulk" takes, with me saying "Faulk's fine, it's Kabs that is trash right now"The ‘11-12 season was also the Tomas Kaberle year. They stopped sucking in total without ggat absolute boat anchor of a human, playing with Staal on the powerplay and at even strength. After watching him in training camp JR should have fired Mo straight into the sun for saddling Faulk with him as a rookie. Right after firing himself into the sun for hiring him in the first place.
No he wasn’t. He had 2 good seasons and a playoff run
Nothing supports him even being average. -51 GSAA.
Career GSAx is very negative too
Cam Ward is the John Gibson of the 2010s. Fans swear he is good because the team sucks but in reality they just good for real short amount of time and below average the rest.
I remember getting into it with a few people early that season with "WTF Faulk" takes, with me saying "Faulk's fine, it's Kabs that is trash right now"
I guess. Does anyone really disagree with describing Ward's career arc asThose were the only seasons in his career where he wasn’t a negative in that stat. Which is also a made up nonsense stat to be fair. If we were looking at that as his most impressive quality he was below average 11 out of 15 years of his career. Which in reality, he wasn’t.
what's the stat for stopping the ones he shouldn't have? I always felt like ward (at least pre-injuries) was genuinely amazing - he was good for multiple holy shit saves per game. i mean, outright robbery type saves over and over. of course, he'd always end up giving up a couple that, after seeing all the amazing saves, seemed pretty soft. but given the "defense" played in front of him i never faulted him much for those - he was basically the victim of hockey erosion where eventually the waterfall of shots was going to wear him down. but maybe i'm giving him more benefit of the doubt than i should.Thats the wonderful thing about GSAx, its defense agnostic. Did the goalie stop the ones they should? In ward’s case, no. Although he did with some bad defense in 10-11.
Well Tarheel just claimed he was a top 10 goalie for half of his 14 year career. This stat would argue that he was a below average goalie 10 of 14 years.I guess. Does anyone really disagree with describing Ward's career arc as
06 run: got hot at the right time
06-08: not ready for everyday starter role
08-12: enters prime, consistent top 10 goalie
12--- injuries derail his career
Maybe so, but he went from making over 8 million a year, when that was a metric f***ton of cap, to having to accept 3 years at 3.5 per. Even in his low thirties that was kind of insulting. He might not have said what he said to be "real" but that being the best he could get, combined with a clear uptick in on-ice effort, makes it look like some part of him believed it.
There was a period of two years (I wanna say the 10-11, 11-12 seasons?) where Ward was facing more shots against than any goalie in the league dating back to Luongo back in his days starting out in Florida.
We gave him zero defensive support and zero backups during his entire career here. Honestly, who was the best defensive pairing we put in front of Ward?
For the record, here’s the defense we had in 10-11 (in terms of ice time):
Corvo-Pitkanen
Gleason-McBain
Harrison-some combination of White/Babchuk/Joslin/Allen
Ward played 74 games. Justin Peters was our backup, started 8 games and won 3 of them.
And here it was in 11-12:
Faulk-Pitkanen
Gleason-Harrison
McBain-Allen
Ward played 68 games. Our backups were Justin Peters and Brian Boucher, who started a combined 14 games and won 3 total.
Ward was a top-10 goalie for most of his career.
No he wasn’t. He was a top 10 goalie for 5 years.
Half his career is 7 years.
We can quibble over what 2 years I think he was a top 10 goalie and you don’t, or we can move along.
I'd put a caveat in that 12-retirement section that 14-16 he was back to very good for a while, but injuries. Those were also the absolute worst teams in franchise history since the move, yes worse than 02-03.I guess. Does anyone really disagree with describing Ward's career arc as
06 run: got hot at the right time
06-08: not ready for everyday starter role
08-12: enters prime, consistent top 10 goalie
12--- injuries derail his career
I’d really like to quibble