GWT: EPL - Matchweek 25 (ft. MW 15)

[Savant]

if everton doesn't score in the last minutes none of this conversation would be happening

blame oliver all you want, but it's not like he's the one who scored or was playing defense

Oliver gave them their first goal too. He had a wretched game. It’s an objectively horrible performance.

Yes “just do better” applies here, just like it applies in every other game

gave it BACK. gave it BACK. SAY IT WITH ME. SAY IT WITH ME ONE MORE TIME. GAVE IT BACK. TO GIVE BACK IS TO RETURN WHAT HAS BEEN LOST. the net result is the same amount of time played. it is not additional time.

It is additional time though

an injury in stoppage time lasted an amount of time. the stoppage time was extended to reflect that. they were not given bonus, extra time on top of that. 90 seconds of stoppage time lost, 90 seconds tagged on. that's how it has always been.

I don’t agree. It has certainly not been one second out = one second in.

how the f*** are we still going through this

Because yall are wrong

why the absolute f*** would a team that is losing the biggest game of its season WASTE ITS OWN TIME. HOW CAN YOU NOT HEAR HOW RIDICULOUS THIS SOUNDS.

They didn’t waste their own time. They got added bonus time. What you are saying is not what happened

a team is down 1-0 and has a corner in the 94th minute of the Champions League final, and so their CB goes down with cramp to stretch out and waste 90 seconds, so that hopefully they can score in the 96 minute rather than the 94th. famously, teams losing late decide to play without urgency and they want the game to be as stop-start as possible.

Yes - a team would want an extra two minutes to try and score?

sorry but this is genuinely breaking my brain

i genuinely just cannot conceive of the mental leaps necessary to think that a team losing a huge game would waste their own stoppage time as a form of gamesmanship

I just think we are viewing this very differently

 

[Savant]

If you want to dispute either of these things go right ahead. Besides that I am done.

- Oliver was bad the entire game. The eye test backs that up. The statistics back that up. He was simply an asset for Everton yesterday by just about every measurable metric.

- I do not agree with time was kept in stoppage. I do not think it was done correctly. I do not think what we saw yesterday was consistent with what we see in an average game.

 

[bluesfan94]

Nothing says asset to a team like failing to give that team's opponent an obvious second yellow and a blatant handball.

But I guess Oliver used stoppage time appropriately and that's enough to break some Liverpool fans' brains.

 

[Savant]

Nothing says asset to a team like failing to give that team's opponent an obvious second yellow and a blatant handball.

Yeah Gueye definitely could have gotten sent. Don’t think anyone agrees on this handball though. My offer still stands if you’d want to bet on it.

But I guess Oliver used stoppage time appropriately and that's enough to break some Liverpool fans' brains.

It is what it is. Have to see what happens next

 

[gary69]

Ask Michael Oliver. He gave Everton every second of that back


Right, so where does this say that this time is being added on in additional to already given stoppage time. And again, if the ref can signal the keeper, Oliver is clearly signaling Alisson. That’s what happened

I haven't read the reports or the exact wording of the planned rule, it wa reported in The Times, quoting Irish IFAB member. But since it has been applied in U21 PL, the wording of the rule must exist already.

Keeper can't waste any time with this new rule, the ref gives an automatic corner if the keeper doesn't release the ball in 8 seconds, with the ref signalling at 5 seconds that the ball must be released immediately. It's not at ref's discretion, a corner must be given. So the keeper can't waste any time over the allowed 8 seconds without giving a corner.

As for current situation, as mentioned before, the problem is that the refs don't enforce the rule as was meant to be. In this Everton - Pool case, it should have been an indirect free kick.

 

[bluesfan94]

Yeah Gueye definitely could have gotten sent. Don’t think anyone agrees on this handball though. My offer still stands if you’d want to bet on it.

It is what it is. Have to see what happens next

No one's going to bet on PGMOL apologizing for an error that favors Liverpool. Instead you'll get a contrived explanation from Dale Johnson that beggars belief and then Howard Webb will make up some new wording for the rule to be deemed not to apply. Liverpool has been PGMOL's baby this whole season, which is why these complaints are especially funny.

 

[koyvoo]

Been saying all season that this terrible habit of giving up early goals to weaker opposition is the biggest issue Liverpool has had this season. It’s playing with fire.

Nine times out of ten, fans of teams that give up late goals in time added on will claim shenanigans. You guys in here always seem the same arguments, only exchanging the point view on a game by game basis, depending on who’s team equalized or was equalized on late in time added on.

 

[Savant]

Been saying all season that this terrible habit of giving up early goals to weaker opposition is the biggest issue Liverpool has had this season. It’s playing with fire.

Nine times out of ten, fans of teams that give up late goals in time added on will claim shenanigans. You guys in here always seem the same arguments, only exchanging the point view on a game by game basis, depending on who’s team equalized or was equalized on late in time added on.

It’s the late goals that’s are killing us. Oliver screwed us, but didn’t do their part by staying locked in either. It’s a pity. Should be at least 11 clear