EPL - Matchweek 19

[Jussi]

So with Ugarte and Bruno back for the Liverpool game, I expect either 0-0 or 10-0 for Liverpool.

 

[Chimaera]

Bruno red card again? Maybe he can be petulant while Liverool run by him.

We saw with Newcastle against Liverpool. Their midfield is physical and they’re making other teams work. Something United don’t want to do at times

 

[Jussi]

Bruno red card again? Maybe he can be petulant while Liverool run by him.

We saw with Newcastle against Liverpool. Their midfield is physical and they’re making other teams work. Something United don’t want to do at times

United's midfield isn't physical either. Hasn't been since...I can't even remember when.

 

[Live in the Now]

I don’t see any track record of either at the top level at United. Amorim can develop players somewhat, but that also takes time and a structure.

Developing players is a little difficult when so many of them are very experienced. That's the key difference in United vs other big rebuilding jobs. There isn't very much there to develop, quite a few of these players are old. We didn't have any older key players that had to be gotten rid of due to performance.

 

[Chimaera]

I mean Casemiro was physical at one point. Ugarte is.

 

[Jussi]

I mean Casemiro was physical at one point. Ugarte is.

Somewhat ironically, Ruud was the only one who played them together and they looked good. Granted the opposition was even worse than United then.

 

[Chimaera]

Developing players is a little difficult when so many of them are very experienced. That's the key difference in United vs other big rebuilding jobs. There isn't very much there to develop, quite a few of these players are old. We didn't have any older key players that had to be gotten rid of due to performance.

There’s plenty of older players. But they do have a lot of younger ones too. The Dane forward is 21. Mainoo. The Garnarcho kid (who I think is overrated). De Ligt and Martinez aren’t at their primes. Yoro. Amad. Ugarte. Antony (jokes). Dalot.

I mean there’s some younger players to develop. The issue will again be they were bought for a past manager. Or a different scouting group.

They can jettison some of the old players but most of the squad is closer to the 24-26 range than people think

The question I still have is if they had fired the bald fraud (which they wanted) who were they getting? They spoke with a few and were likely rejected. So what difference does Southgate make?

 

[Chimaera]

The analysis on the US broadcast is usually pretty mediocre and neutral. But man they’re taking apart Amorim.

The effort from players just isn’t there

 

[Jussi]

There’s plenty of older players. But they do have a lot of younger ones too. The Dane forward is 21. Mainoo. The Garnarcho kid (who I think is overrated). De Ligt and Martinez aren’t at their primes. Yoro. Amad. Ugarte. Antony (jokes). Dalot.

I mean there’s some younger players to develop. The issue will again be they were bought for a past manager. Or a different scouting group.

They can jettison some of the old players but most of the squad is closer to the 24-26 range than people think

The question I still have is if they had fired the bald fraud (which they wanted) who were they getting? They spoke with a few and were likely rejected. So what difference does Southgate make?

Ideally played on the right where he actually showed improvement last season, but he's absolute shite on the left. The few minute Shaw got to play this season there was a giant improvement.

 

[Chimaera]

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Ok now we've reached the point where not winning the league would be bottling it.

LOL. For me the tipping point is at 15 pts from 2nd place!

 

[JPBolts]

the Ipswich penalty reminds me so much of so many penalties that Harry Kane won for spurs.

 

[Chimaera]

Amorim just said in the post match discussion that he will not change his idea (3-4-3). So there’s that.

Him and Ange need to have some beers

 

[Savant]

Amorim just said in the post match discussion that he will not change his idea (3-4-3). So there’s that.

Him and Ange need to have some beers

Amorim just got there and didn't have a window yet, honestly Man Utd is best off staying the course at this point.. Tottenham isn't built to do anything else.

 

[Live in the Now]

Amorim just got there and didn't have a window yet, honestly Man Utd is best off staying the course at this point.. Tottenham isn't built to do anything else.

Angeball was great until you think about things like physical fatigue and squad management and the strength of other teams and a few other things mate

 

[Savant]

Ok now we've reached the point where not winning the league would be bottling it.

United ruined our season last year and can certainly do it again. Just worried about Sunday for now. LFC has a very tough January, and we need to add one more player this month. Getting close to bottle territory, but also the teams behind them are kind of in the territory when LFC need to implode and/or they need to have club best PPG rest of season to get up there. Still early though. If we get to February with the cushion and win game in hand, I will be singing from the rooftops.

Angeball was great until you think about things like physical fatigue and squad management and the strength of other teams and a few other things mate

Was Angeball great? Angeball has barely been good since they did a lap of honor with their families after they and refs beat 9 man LFC last November. And they will still win some games that they shouldn't because they are so goofy, but from a management perspective only ETH MW3 was worse than them by my viewing.

And for all the people one here that were bitching about LFC not getting Amorim; one of the reasons they didn’t was because they thought the squad didn’t fit what the manager wanted to do. So yeah, look at United and tell me now you’d rather that than being top of the leagues.

And bless Slot for telling Tottenham to kick rocks two summers ago

 

[Epictetus]

The sad part is did any United fan actually think they'd get a result today?

 

[Chimaera]

Amorim just got there and didn't have a window yet, honestly Man Utd is best off staying the course at this point.. Tottenham isn't built to do anything else.

I get that. He also can’t be stupid enough to think that midfield setup he started with was doing anything other than getting smashed today. If he is, or won’t change, and the players just have to figure it out, it’s not going to work.

The issue for him and Ange is they won’t have the best team. Other teams aren’t mugs either. Big clubs also have to compete week in and week out. His team in Portugal had weeks they could basically throw out the B team. That doesn’t work all the time. Other teams also figure out and exploit what you do. Or have something you can’t cope with.

 

[Chimaera]

I also think there’s a world where Amorim fits at LFC. They’re not cut completely out for 3-4-3, but there’s a way to do it. I think the reality was Slot likely is more in the I’ll figure out what’s best for what I’ve got camp, change a few things I want and keep rolling, more so than you need to blow it up and give me new players or it won’t work. That likely appealed more to the folks in charge of the recruitment as I’m sure their metrics and analytic side felt there was still some growth for this squad having spent quite a bit to overhaul the midfield.

 

[robertmac43]

Solid point for Brighton today. Winless in the last 7 though, need that to change at some point.

 

[hatterson]

Angeball was great until you think about things like physical fatigue and squad management and the strength of other teams and a few other things mate

Also, the biggest issue with Angeball so far has been an absolute unwillingness to even think about changing how they're playing inside a game to just see the result out. It hasn't really been about how he's set up the team for the most part.

They've only won 7 out of the 12 games where they've had a lead.

Just very different issues between the teams.

 

[Jussi]

The sad part is did any United fan actually think they'd get a result today?

I don't know anyone.

 

[Epictetus]

Does any player at United fit the 3-4-3 well?

They just look uncomfortable and not buying into it.

 

[Chimaera]

Effort isn’t part of fit. You can not fit and bust your ass. Some players aren’t doing that it seems

 

[Jussi]

Does any player at United fit the 3-4-3 well?

They just look uncomfortable and not buying into it.

The brief minutes United got from Shaw, made him look like he fit.