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Epic Calder Race 2024-25
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Guy Larose
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- Jan 25, 2018
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Yeah, some people here are either trolling or insane.
The point I'm making is he's massively turned a corner. He's contributing to winning hockey, it's not Celebrini's fault that he's on a tanking team atm but it's also gotta count for something when the race is as close as it is.
I think the numbers would look very close to that for the last 40ish games
Putting up numbers that haven't been put up in 25 years lmfao but sure, third best guy. Going to look really funny when the 3rd best guy ends up winning the Calder.
It feels like these odds are behind a week. Celebrini had a much better last week- to 10 days than Hutson did but the gap closed. Where the first couple weeks after the 4n was where it felt like Hutson was separating himself from the pack.
Not that I'm a gambler (sports or otherwise), but the betting odds for this, according to my following of the thread so far, generally lag 1-2 weeks behind what the situation is at the moment.
This numbers are very similar to Makar and Hughes' rookie numbers from 5 years ago.
Amazing company and Hughes won the Calder with those numbers.
Their seasons were cut short because of Covid, and so they never got to reach the numbers they would've.
Hutson will though, and even if he doesn't to put up the numbers Makar/Hughes did is just insane, and what's even more funny is seeing the morons try to downplay his numbers.
Jabba11
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Lane Hutson now with 54 points. Tied with Denis Potvin for all time nhl rookie dmen scoring. Actually has same number of points but 7 less games. Needs 57 pts to be alone in the 10th position. 61 pts to be ahead of Lidstrom.
Hopefully he can continue to help this team get back into the winning ways and make the playoffs. Would be tremendous for his development and experience.
Hopefully he can continue to help this team get back into the winning ways and make the playoffs. Would be tremendous for his development and experience.
Him and whoever he plays with not named Savard or Matheson also consistently the best pairing on the Habs
tiburon12
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Bro, you do realize that no one is downplaying his numbers at all, right?
In fact, his counting stats are the one thing everyone in this thread agrees will be the reason he wins the Calder. We're all impressed by him, and rightfully so.
I still think it's close, but I'm trying to be as neutral as possible when saying that. My Habs fan heart wants me to say that what Hutson is doing is more impressive than what Celebrini is doing. I guess I'm just not surprised by Macklin's stats, but I AM surprised by Lane's season. Celebrini would have had to get like 90 points on the year for me to be amazed to the same level.
Wolf is harder to judge for me as I don't follow the Flames too much. I keep hearing he's the only reason the team is where they are at, which I believe, but it's hard to compare a goalie to the other positions.
Wolf is harder to judge for me as I don't follow the Flames too much. I keep hearing he's the only reason the team is where they are at, which I believe, but it's hard to compare a goalie to the other positions.
The thing with Wolf is he was drafted like 5 years ago. He turns 24 in 3 weeks. Would he be doing this as an 18 year old? I think these things should matter when the candidates are close when it comes to rookie performances.
It's also insanely rare for goalies to make the nhl at 18. Just looking at some of the goalies this year and when they had their rookie year (not their debut).
Hellebuyck - 22
Vasilevsky - 22
Oettinger - 22
Thompson - 26
Bobrovsky - 22
Hill - 23
Blackwood - 23
Sorokin - 26
Shesterkin - 25
Kuemper - 23
Bernier- 21
Fleury - 18
So Wolf's rookie year being 23 is on par. There's literally only a handful of goalies who even make the NHL at 18 in history, let alone play enough games to be considered "rookie year". In fact MAF is one of the only ones who had their rookie year as an 18 year old.
BehindTheTimes
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- Jun 24, 2018
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Hutson wins in a walk. It’s not that close tbh. The only thing making it close on these boards is the deep hatred for the Habs as everyone suffers from
SmAll Guy syndrome.
Lane has it in the bag
SmAll Guy syndrome.
Lane has it in the bag
Zirakzigil
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Yep, only these boards think Hutson wont get it.
Imagine one of the guys who has voted for these awards stating on national tv he'd vote for Wolf. How dare he have such Habs hatred!
Yep, only these boards think Hutson wont get it.
Imagine one of the guys who has voted for these awards stating on national tv he'd vote for Wolf. How dare he have such Habs hatred!
Barring an insane turn of events in the final 12-15 games I don't see any way that Wolf wins this.
spintheblackcircle
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The Wild are running out of steam, I would not be surprised to see the Flames catch them and knock the Wild out of the playoffs. 6 pts behind but 2 games in hand with a game at home against the Wild.
I think Wolf finishes third no matter what Calgary does.. Unless of course something crazy like 4 shutouts in his next 10 starts or something. Contextually Wolfs season is very very good but statistically it doesn't stand out in any way really.
35 minimum games played (32 eligible goalies) - Wolf has played 43
22nd in GP
17th in Wins
14th in GAA
7th in SV%
T - 12th in Shutouts
There is no way that is enough to beat out Hutsons or Celebrinis seasons.
This really shouldn't be complicated guys. When a rookie defenseman wins the scoring race, they win the Calder.
We can argue about who we would vote for, but if Hutson ends up the top scorer, history tells us he'll win it by a significant margin.
Unfortunately for Wolf and Celebrini, the criteria for the Calder is not 'the most unique and impressive rookie".
We can argue about who we would vote for, but if Hutson ends up the top scorer, history tells us he'll win it by a significant margin.
A 23 year old starting goalie who is top 10 in wins and save percentage is about as unique and impressive as a teenage #1C.
Unfortunately for Wolf and Celebrini, the criteria for the Calder is not 'the most unique and impressive rookie".
18 years old is impressive for a first line player
20-21 is impressive for a first pairing D or Goalie.
23 is still well within the range to be considered a rookie for all intents and purposes. Would Wolf have played as well when he was 21? Probably not, but definitely irrelevant.
pepperMonkey
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He's a goalie. When was the last time an 18 yr old goalie has done what Wolf has done? I honestly don't know but I would 'guess' the answer is closer to zero (i.e. no-one).
Just as D's take longer to breakout in the NHL, so do goalies.
sbhnur
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Regarding the coaching he gets he's really doing well. Flyers are like 0:35 for the last 35 Powerplays. Torts and his gang switched him to his off side in the powerplay and it works fantastic - like the stats prove. But he cant put him back because he's just so bullheaded.
MM finding other ways to produce which is pretty impressive.
