Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[wetcoast]

But the problem is that they tanked too hard and now their fans are unhappy that Celebrini's teamates aren't good enough to benefit his production. Just like Bedard having his progression impaired by the mediocrity of his team. Tanking too hard is bad imo.

It's too bad that during the shutdown and restart that they didn't find a way to limit the use of the words tank and Generational as these 2 words are among the most misused on this site.

Every year someone HAS to finish 32nd.


That's the way the NHL works, no one chooses that path at the beginning of the season.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

He just turned 21, the youngest #1 d in the league by a long shot, and in a long time. Im open to hearing which defensemen were better at a younger age.

Being a 1c at 18-19 is not at all uncommon.

Hope this answers your question as good as a google search would have

It didnt answer my question in the slightest, why would you think it would

 

[wetcoast]

No shame in whomever wins. As long as it’s not Michkov.

Michkov won't be a finalist and that's been pretty clear for a couple of weeks now.

 

[Frank Drebin]

It didnt answer my question in the slightest, why would you think it would

What was your question again?

 

[wetcoast]

He just turned 21, the youngest #1 d in the league by a long shot, and in a long time. Im open to hearing which defensemen were better at a younger age.

First of all he isn't the #1 Dman on his team.

Being a 1c at 18-19 is not at all uncommon.

well actually yes it is and usually it's reserved for generational or exceptional players, go back and look.

Hope this answers your question as good as a google search would have

Neither of these 2 arguments even matters, voters are going to judge them on their individual seasons and the narratives them.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Neither of these 2 arguments even matters, voters are going to judge them on their individual seasons and the narratives them.

Good enough. Moving on

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Good enough. Moving on

How being a defenseman changes ones age

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Lol haters coming out of the woodwork every time he makes a mistake, acting like he isn’t a rookie playing against the other team’s best players every night. He plays 22:00+ minutes per game as a rookie D; mistakes are gonna happen. Meanwhile, you guys are as quiet as church mice in between. See you next time lol. You know what the funniest thing is though? He’s better defensively as a rookie than EK ever was in his prime

He reminds me more of a Marc Andre Bergeron defensively than EK65. If he can even become below average defensively, he’ll be one heck of a player.

 

[Garbageyuk]

He reminds me more of a Marc Andre Bergeron defensively than EK65. If he can even become below average defensively, he’ll be one heck of a player.

So what does that make prime EK then lol? Hutson is already significantly better defensively than EK ever was.

 

[tiburon12]

Lol haters coming out of the woodwork every time he makes a mistake, acting like he isn’t a rookie playing against the other team’s best players every night. He plays 22:00+ minutes per game as a rookie D; mistakes are gonna happen. Meanwhile, you guys are as quiet as church mice in between. See you next time lol. You know what the funniest thing is though? He’s better defensively as a rookie than EK ever was in his prime

Haters come out of the woodwork to dunk on you guys because you keep using obnoxious hyperbole to describe Hutson when you don't need to. Y'all are the ones calling him a top dman in the league (he isn't), talking about Norris votes, laying the PP success on him and not even mentioning Laine has 14ppg in 38 games, ignoring the seasons Suzuki, Caufield, and Slaf are having, etc.

His current stats speak for themselves and will likely be enough to win him the Calder. No need to boost up his profile into something he isn't; his actual play is good enough to do the talking for him.

 

[Frank Drebin]

How being a defenseman changes ones age

Did you have a question? Lane Hutson turned 21 in February

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Did you have a question? Lane Hutson turned 21 in February

You just quoted my question, I guess this just confirms trolling

 

[Frank Drebin]

You just quoted my question, I guess this just confirms trolling

You keep saying something nonsensical, you won’t be missed

 

[Garbageyuk]

Haters come out of the woodwork to dunk on you guys because you keep using obnoxious hyperbole to describe Hutson when you don't need to. Y'all are the ones calling him a top dman in the league (he isn't), talking about Norris votes, laying the PP success on him and not even mentioning Laine has 14ppg in 38 games, ignoring the seasons Suzuki, Caufield, and Slaf are having, etc.

His current stats speak for themselves and will likely be enough to win him the Calder. No need to boost up his profile into something he isn't; his actual play is good enough to do the talking for him.

Show me where any Habs fans are saying these things.

I’ve seen people say he’s a top scoring D in the league (he is), I’ve seen people say he’s currently MTL’s top defenseman (he is), I’ve seen people say he’s a huge part of the powerplay success this year (he is), and I’ve seen people say he’s a big part of the team’s overall improvement over last year (he is).

 

[tiburon12]

Show me where any Habs fans are saying these things.

I’ve seen people say he’s a top scoring D in the league (he is), I’ve seen people say he’s currently MTL’s top defenseman (he is), I’ve seen people say he’s a huge part of the powerplay success this year (he is), and I’ve seen people say he’s a big part of the team’s overall improvement over last year (he is).

Y'all have toned it down that's for sure, but in the last week:

Agreed re watching the games, stats plus the eye test make Hutson the favourite by a mile

So what does that make prime EK then lol? Hutson is already significantly better defensively than EK ever was.

C'mon man

Casey might become really good someday, but Hutson has a "top 5 best in the league" potential
He's already up there, as a rookie

Hutson will win the Calder and will receive nominations for the Norris (he ain't winning it, but he'll finish top 10)

It don't matter if there are teams that already have a good pp1 dman. Hutson is that star level pp qb. Saying he's getting pp1 time because there is no Makar or Hughes already on the team is dumb logic.

Our PP was not a threat to score until Hutson joined it. Hutson is a HUGE reason why we are in a playoff spot. We wouldn't be San Jose bad....but we probably wouldn't be sniffing playoffs by this point.

Hutson isn't necessarily good because the team around him is good.

But our team is certainly better because Hutson is good.

Quoting the last two because it's absolutely insane people are ignoring Laine's influence on the PP. Very easy to find multiple articles from writers saying that Laine is the real catalyst for the PP, such as: Top 3 Things To Expect With Patrik Laine In The Canadiens Lineup

AND, it was great to find this one with this gem of a line:

The interesting part about that is the Canadiens don't necessarily have a true distributor on their first powerplay unit. Nick Suzuki has been fine in the role and Lane Hutson is on a trajectory to be one of the best offensive defensemen in the league. However, there is still plenty of room for that unit to grow.

Is Patrik Laine worth keeping around for powerplay production alone?

Again, it's some of you, not all of you, that have built him up into something greater than what he is, for no reason at all. Like i said, his play does the talking for him, no need to make up attributes to boost his profile.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Hutson is a good offensive defenseman but he’s completely ass defensively.

Gimme MC

But Celebrini is -27….

 

[The Last Red]

But Celebrini is -27….

The average human is a lazy ****

 

[Star Platinum]

It's too bad that during the shutdown and restart that they didn't find a way to limit the use of the words tank and Generational as these 2 words are among the most misused on this site.

Every year someone HAS to finish 32nd.


That's the way the NHL works, no one chooses that path at the beginning of the season.

Grier will deny it, but I think he absolutely chose that path.

 

[bud12]

Hutson really good with Struble. Best pairing for Mtl by a long shot. He will win it if he keep it up

 

[Frank Drebin]

Grier will deny it, but I think he absolutely chose that path.

Absolutely

 

[pepperMonkey]

Y'all have toned it down that's for sure, but in the last week:










Quoting the last two because it's absolutely insane people are ignoring Laine's influence on the PP. Very easy to find multiple articles from writers saying that Laine is the real catalyst for the PP, such as: Top 3 Things To Expect With Patrik Laine In The Canadiens Lineup

AND, it was great to find this one with this gem of a line:


Is Patrik Laine worth keeping around for powerplay production alone?

Again, it's some of you, not all of you, that have built him up into something greater than what he is, for no reason at all. Like i said, his play does the talking for him, no need to make up attributes to boost his profile.

To be fair, some are not outrageous and has some truth in it.

If the season ended today, the following are reasonably fair:

C'mon man

Casey might become really good someday, but Hutson has a "top 5 best in the league" potential
He's already up there, as a rookie

Hutson will win the Calder and will receive nominations for the Norris (he ain't winning it, but he'll finish top 10)

Reasonable because he's currently tied for 6th for league pts by D's right now, and a point away from being tied for 4th. At the time the OP posted, I believe Hutson was tied for 5th overall for all D's. So you can "debatably" say he is/was top 5 in the league. Yes, points aren't everything but the Norris trophy and how some people ranks players, do take pts as one of the main factors. Again, it's "debatable".
In any case, there is a reasonable chance that someone would nominate Hutson for the Norris, but, as the OP mentions, he certainly won't 'win' it. But the likelihood of getting at least one nomination is not outrageous.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Most impressive part is doing it on his offside and carrying whatever different partner he has every 20 games

 

[Herschel]

He just turned 21, the youngest #1 d in the league by a long shot, and in a long time. Im open to hearing which defensemen were better at a younger age.

Being a 1c at 18-19 is not at all uncommon.

Hope this answers your question as good as a google search would have

Only had a few minutes so going mostly off the top of my head but here is the list of D+1 players you might consider a 1C

Celebrini
Bedard
Matthews
McDavid
Eichel
MacKinnon

20-21 year old top pairing defenceman
Hutson
Q Hughes
Makar
Seider
Myers
Werenski
Faber
L Hughes

I think in reality being an 18 year old 1C is no more common than being a top pair D at 20. They seem pretty similar and reserved primarily for very special players.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Only had a few minutes so going mostly off the top of my head but here is the list of D+1 players you might consider a 1C

Celebrini
Bedard
Matthews
McDavid
Eichel
MacKinnon

20-21 year old top pairing defenceman
Hutson
Q Hughes
Makar
Seider
Myers
Werenski
Faber
L Hughes

I think in reality being an 18 year old 1C is no more common than being a top pair D at 20. They seem pretty similar and reserved primarily for very special players.

Yup agreed

 

[tiburon12]

To be fair, some are not outrageous and has some truth in it.

If the season ended today, the following are reasonably fair:



Reasonable because he's currently tied for 6th for league pts by D's right now, and a point away from being tied for 4th. At the time the OP posted, I believe Hutson was tied for 5th overall for all D's. So you can "debatably" say he is/was top 5 in the league. Yes, points aren't everything but the Norris trophy and how some people ranks players, do take pts as one of the main factors. Again, it's "debatable".
In any case, there is a reasonable chance that someone would nominate Hutson for the Norris, but, as the OP mentions, he certainly won't 'win' it. But the likelihood of getting at least one nomination is not outrageous.

Sorry man, "top 5 in d points" is objectively not "top 5 d". I can think of 20 Dmen easily who are currently better than Hutson (again this isn't a knock, the kid is a rookie).

It wouldn't be outrageous for him to get a 5th place vote for the Norris, no. I wouldn;t put it past at least one voter. But in most years, a top-10 finishers garners at least a 2nd or 3rd place vote, and I can't imagine that happens this year.